winjer
Gold Member
They have. But last time I heard anything about it, yields were very bad.
Little more than enough for concept. And very far from production scale.
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Huawei AI GPUs Are On Par With NVIDIA A100, Will Compete With GPT-4 LLM In 2024
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They have. But last time I heard anything about it, yields were very bad.
Little more than enough for concept. And very far from production scale.
StereoVsn
Member
You are rooting for totalitarian and authoritarian government that disappears and kills it's citizens, puts millions in re-edication camps, harvests organs from incarcerated, and is currently on the way to prepare for invasion of Taiwan which likely to pull major powers into war.
But yeah, at least AMD and Nvidia duopoly will be broken.
StereoVsn
Member
Yep, but if money is no object and the government doesn't care about failures...
Mind you these cards are going to go to Chinese government use so especially for the military purposes costs are secondary.
winjer
Gold Member
The thing is EUV took several decades to develop and the effort and investment of several institutions and companies.
This was a very difficult and expensive achievement.
One of the reason it was possible was that part of the profits of developing and selling machines for previous nodes.
But Chinese chip manufacturing doesn't have the same advantage. So it will take billions in investment from the government to develop their own machines.
And with China in a bad economic situation, that might not be possible.
There have also been several high profile cases in the Chinese chip industry of corruption, diverting huge amounts of money from projects.
Also, China has implemented very restrictive laws regarding industrial spying, that have resulted in several false convictions of Chinese nationals and foreigners.
This means few international companies and workers want to risk going to China for work.
Last Hearth
Member
HuaWei is not making anything other than hotair.
DemonGamerTTT
Member
This is good Nvidia cannot reing supreme forever at AI processing.
Competition is the only thing that can save us from the "gpu apocalypse".
Competition is the only thing that can save us from the "gpu apocalypse".
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
US has been doing more or less the same thing.
After being wrongfully accused of spying for China, prof wins appeal to sue government
“I’m very, very glad that we can finally put the government under oath to explain why they decided to do what they did, violating our constitutional rights,” Professor Xiaoxing Xi said in an exclusive interview with NBC News.
www.nbcnews.com
U.S. Drops Its Case Against M.I.T. Scientist Accused of Hiding China Links (Published 2022)
Gang Chen, a professor of mechanical engineering, was arrested a year ago, accused of concealing his affiliations with Chinese government institutions.
After being falsely accused of spying for China, Sherry Chen wins significant settlement
"I hope that my settlement inspires other Chinese Americans who were wrongly investigated and prosecuted to continue to fight for justice,” Chen said.
www.nbcnews.com
‘Not an espionage case’: Chinese-born US academic avoids prison
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thehill.com
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Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Is the assumption that Samsung (or Nvidia, or whomever) made the equipment that they use for their manufacturing process? (singularly self engineered)
While it may not be trivial to replicate their production practices/standards (SOP), if the manufacturing machinery was sourced rather than internally developed I don't think they would need the time to catch up that is being assumed here.
StereoVsn
Member
Nah, they don't make the actual foundry equipment. It would be ASML, couple Japanese companies and a few related US ones.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
TIL who ASML is. Thanks for that!!
rnlval
Member
AI acceleration is different from scaling hardware-accelerated Z buffer-raster design requirements. A proper gaming GPU is not DSP.This is good news if the USA ban on GPU is making the competition grow faster.
Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban
I'm looking forward to more competition to AMD, NVIDIA and Intel we really need it
Chinese AI Company Claims Huawei AI GPUs Are On Par With NVIDIA A100, Will Compete With GPT-4 LLM In 2024
A Chinese AI firm has said that Huawei has AI GPUs that are on par with NVIDIA's A100 & they will have an LLM that competes with GPT-4.wccftech.com
ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT
Member
which country is thatBest country in the world:
HawarMiran
Banned
Lil bro of USA
supernova8
Banned
Yep China and US are the only real superpowers now, this stuff is going to happen on both sides for the foreseeable future.US has been doing more or less the same thing.
After being wrongfully accused of spying for China, prof wins appeal to sue government
“I’m very, very glad that we can finally put the government under oath to explain why they decided to do what they did, violating our constitutional rights,” Professor Xiaoxing Xi said in an exclusive interview with NBC News.
U.S. Drops Its Case Against M.I.T. Scientist Accused of Hiding China Links (Published 2022)
Gang Chen, a professor of mechanical engineering, was arrested a year ago, accused of concealing his affiliations with Chinese government institutions.www.nytimes.com
After being falsely accused of spying for China, Sherry Chen wins significant settlement
"I hope that my settlement inspires other Chinese Americans who were wrongly investigated and prosecuted to continue to fight for justice,” Chen said.
‘Not an espionage case’: Chinese-born US academic avoids prison
Judge says case against former University of Kansas professor Feng ‘Franklin’ Tao had nothing to do with espionage.www.aljazeera.com
Federal agents admit to falsely accusing Chinese professor of being a spy
An FBI agent admitted in an ongoing trial to falsely accusing a Chinese-born Tennessee professor of being a Chinese spy, using baseless information to have him placed on the federal no-fly list and…
Also China has been stealing tech from the West for decades and will continue to do so. I can understand why the US is cracking down on semiconductor and related exports but in the end it'll probably only delay the inevitable - China more or less catching up.
HawarMiran
Banned
and the US 'poaches' the smartest minds around the world. you have to combat that somehow
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Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Asianometry is a great youtube channel, he recently passed 500k subs and it's well deserved, I love watching his videos since he includes a lot of information about Taiwan, Korea, china etc that I wouldn't hear otherwise.
I'm pretty sure that is the Netherlands.
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Barakov
Member
This is good news if the USA ban on GPU is making the competition grow faster.
Huawei was the best in the field with their smartphones kirin chipsets, they were years ahead of the competition before getting shut down by the US ban
I'm looking forward to more competition to AMD, NVIDIA and Intel we really need it
Chinese AI Company Claims Huawei AI GPUs Are On Par With NVIDIA A100, Will Compete With GPT-4 LLM In 2024
A Chinese AI firm has said that Huawei has AI GPUs that are on par with NVIDIA's A100 & they will have an LLM that competes with GPT-4.
Kdad
Member
Fixed
Cyberpunkd
Member
Not the US.
crackajack
Member
It would not be starting at nothing since the principle is known, I think I remember some ASML guy saying basically anyone can copy it- and China does not care much about patent laws anyway, if there are some -, you "just" need to make those precise machines. A ban is certainly an incentive to put more pressure behind it, more than just the possibility of profits. If you kinda need it, it's like wartime industry, ramping up the necessary stuff and making usually huge progress.
The timeline is the question. The investment might have been too much for the retired players, but if China needs it and is actually forced to, it might happen sooner than one can expect. Hardly tomorrow, but 5, 10 years are a long ass time to get something up and running, especially when SMIC has already the foot in the door with a worse process.
"Decades plural" seems like equating the cheap garbage plastic toys effort with Chinas actual brightest and what they can do. I mean decades ago, bascically only two countries bothered with space programs, ESA followed, and China, Brazil and India too, even private companies shoot stuff now into orbit, because literal rocket science is not really anymore something that is almost magical, but just very humanly possible today, if tackled properly.
Schmendrick
Member
Must be. Because he said "best country in the world". And that sure can`t be Baguettistan.
Dirk Benedict
Member
The machines used to help create chips at lower nodes are specialized in the literal sense and cost tens of millions, even north of a 100 million per machine. Depending on the node we're talking about. Cutting edge? Probably 150 million+ per machine. Located in the Netherlands, ASML specializes in lithography machines and are a part of the crucial, global chip supply chain. The machines themselves are trade secrets and something no one else on the planet has access to, as far as I am aware.