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Hulk Hogan sex tape included racist tirade - WWE cuts all ties

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So Hogan has had these feelings about his daughter's boyfriend for god knows how long? You'd think he wouldn't have had such an seemingly amiable relationship with her in first place, at least enough to have her defend him in Facebook.

But Then again I don't really know the circumstances of their relationship. Maybe WrassleGAF can help me out here?
 
But Then again I don't really know the circumstances of their relationship. Maybe WrassleGAF can help me out here?

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knkng

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Jerry Lawler has straight up stopped the regular commentary and made open appeals to the fans on these types of political issues. It's not his character. These are his personal views.

When you're doing live television, there is a fundamental difference between portraying a bad guy and letting a character give you license to make inappropriate comments.

Stone Cold could say "I'm gonna kick your fucking ass, you son of a bitch." or he could say "All you stupid niggers are gonna get what's coming to you."

He played a character who probably would have made such comments, but he didn't. Not because he's a face, but because he knows better.

Game of Thrones is a show set in a MEDIEVAL universe and it at least has the decency to show that their intolerance of homosexuality stems from cultural norms and an oppressive, corrupt religious regime.

Jerry Lawler is Jerry Lawler playing Jerry Lawler. He makes crazy comments yes, but there is a point when the man has to pull the reins back on the character because the two are so entwined, and he didn't.

I think it would be incredibly difficult to determine where "The King" ends and Jerry Lawler begins on the mic, but if you have an example of Jerry stopping mid-commentary and making open political appeals to the fans I'd love to see examples of this.

I also disagree, I think playing that character (heel King from the 90s/early 2000s) does give him license to go off the rails, and that's what made it fun. He would kiss ass to the right people and treat everybody else like shit, degrading them along the way. It was up to WWF/WWE and USA/TNN(Spike) to draw those lines.

I also get what you're saying with social responsibility, and that is all true, but not in every circumstance. If a character is trying to show masculinity by constantly degrading women and being homophobic, and he is perceived as the bad guy, then it would be counterproductive to censor it. You can't sweep everything under a rug just because it's bad for you. Let the audience decide who to cheer and boo, that's wrestling.

Anyways, my original point was, there are thousands of hours of shoot interviews with everybody from Hulk Hogan right down to the ring boys. There's so much dirt on everybody, it's just hilarious that so many people are posting clips of on-camera promos as examples of X,Y and Z (and then saying they should be fired for it). Hate Jerry for raping young girls (allegedly), not for some King promo where he calls Goldust a fag.
 

Speevy

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I think it would be incredibly difficult to determine where "The King" ends and Jerry Lawler begins on the mic, but if you have an example of Jerry stopping mid-commentary and making open political appeals to the fans I'd love to see examples of this.

I also disagree, I think playing that character (heel King from the 90s/early 2000s) does give him license to go off the rails, and that's what made it fun. He would kiss ass to the right people and treat everybody else like shit, degrading them along the way. It was up to WWF/WWE and USA/TNN(Spike) to draw those lines.

I also get what you're saying with social responsibility, and that is all true, but not in every circumstance. If a character is trying to show masculinity by constantly degrading women and being homophobic, and he is perceived as the bad guy, then it would be counterproductive to censor it. You can't sweep everything under a rug just because it's bad for you. Let the audience decide who to cheer and boo, that's wrestling.

Anyways, my original point was, there are thousands of hours of shoot interviews with everybody from Hulk Hogan right down to the ring boys. There's so much dirt on everybody, it's just hilarious that so many people are posting clips of on-camera promos as examples of X,Y and Z (and then saying they should be fired for it). Hate Jerry for raping young girls (allegedly), not for some King promo where he calls Goldust a fag.

I don't have a link, but I distinctly remember Jerry making comments telling people to vote for Bush over Kerry. I may be mistaken, but I also am recalling a moment when he said he supported marriage between one man and one woman.

The political party support thing is one I'm pretty positive about.

The point I'm trying to make is that referring to a character who isn't even a homosexual as a flaming fag is in very poor taste.

Goldust was just supposed to be a weirdo. There were vampires, pimps, porn stars, rednecks, and other crazy characters.

Would you feel the same way if a heel character got on RAW today and made hateful remarks about Caitlyn Jenner? After all, it's just a character.

Writers of fiction have the responsibility to separate the real world from the character's world. The viewer, even if he or she is offended by the words of the character, must know that most of the audience will reject the character's offensive viewpoint.

It's like when WCW pitted the "West Texas Rednecks" against the No Limit Soldiers or whatever. They had intended for the black guys to be the faces and the rednecks to be the heels, but what happened was that the audience actually turned against Master P's group. Why? Because WCW is set here in Georgia, and its fans are whites who better identify with what Curt Hennig was singing about. The redneck angle was dropped as a result.

How does that relate to Lawler? Well, "The King" was peddling an idea that most audiences wouldn't disagree with, that the eccentric Goldust, well, maybe he was just a "flaming fag".

Isn't the whole purpose of a heel promo to get the audience mad at you?

It didn't need to be said, heel or not.
 

YoungHav

Banned
LOL I went on TMZ and they had a poll with results... fucking sad and hilarious:

Hulk Hogan ... racist?
No 59%
Yes 41%
Total Votes: 73,291
Sounds like negative stereotyping to me, if they were really racist they wouldn't like you.
LOL what? Bruh to use an obvious example... look at Dylann Roof. Unapologetic White Supremacist who went on to kill a church full of blacks... all while having a black friend.
 

Bold One

Member
Y'know, I was listening to an episode of the Giambombcast a good while ago, still catching up, on up to May,

and those guys like to talk wrestling and there was a passing comment about Hogan's bar or restaurant or some such and how it was unwelcoming to certain minorities

Disgusting stuff....
 

Crud

Banned
Yup. I mean George Forman defended him...like wtf. This shit is unacceptable and in my eyes Hogan is beyond forgiveness.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
The amount of people caping for Hogan is pretty disgusting. The guy straight up said, "I'm a racist." What is there to argue or defend?
 

knkng

Member
I don't have a link, but I distinctly remember Jerry making comments telling people to vote for Bush over Kerry. I may be mistaken, but I also am recalling a moment when he said he supported marriage between one man and one woman.

The political party support thing is one I'm pretty positive about.

The point I'm trying to make is that referring to a character who isn't even a homosexual as a flaming fag is in very poor taste.

Goldust was just supposed to be a weirdo. There were vampires, pimps, porn stars, rednecks, and other crazy characters.

Would you feel the same way if a heel character got on RAW today and made hateful remarks about Caitlyn Jenner? After all, it's just a character.

Writers of fiction have the responsibility to separate the real world from the character's world. The viewer, even if he or she is offended by the words of the character, must know that most of the audience will reject the character's offensive viewpoint.

It's like when WCW pitted the "West Texas Rednecks" against the No Limit Soldiers or whatever. They had intended for the black guys to be the faces and the rednecks to be the heels, but what happened was that the audience actually turned against Master P's group. Why? Because WCW is set here in Georgia, and its fans are whites who better identify with what Curt Hennig was singing about. The redneck angle was dropped as a result.

How does that relate to Lawler? Well, "The King" was peddling an idea that most audiences wouldn't disagree with, that the eccentric Goldust, well, maybe he was just a "flaming fag".

Isn't the whole purpose of a heel promo to get the audience mad at you?

It didn't need to be said, heel or not.

The Bush comment probably came from Vince through the earpiece, lol. But really I'd have to hear these comments in context, it could still very much be in character. If not then I agree with you that it is out of line.

And yes, everything Jerry "The King" Lawler did and said was in incredibly poor taste. Everything.

If WWE was still being run circa Attitude Era today, then yes, Jerry probably would be making horrible jokes and comments about Caitlyn Jenner. They would probably even bring her in for a King's Court segment and do it right to her face (with Jerry ultimately being foiled in the end, as it often was).

Ultimately we just have differing opinions on the limits of entertainment. You think controversial comments should be withheld in fear that the audience might agree with them. I think just the opposite, let the racists and homophobes expose themselves if they wish. Meanwhile, everybody else with a head on their shoulders can enjoy it for what it is supposed to be.
 

Merc_

Member
I've seen a number of other black folk apologizing for him all over the place. It always amazes me when I see how little respect some other black people have for themselves.
 
It's amazing what the wwe was able to get away with back in the day. I remember as a kid The Rock called someone a hermaphrodite and talked about poontang pie. I had no idea what that was at the time.
 

Zee-Row

Banned
It's amazing what the wwe was able to get away with back in the day. I remember as a kid The Rock called someone a hermaphrodite and talked about poontang pie. I had no idea what that was at the time.
He would always call Kevin Kelly hermie and come up with ways to call him a hermaphrodite.
 

YoungHav

Banned
Like, what the hell would someone have to say or do for some of these people to go, "damn, I think that was racist..."
LOL now even referring to blacks as niggers and saying "I'm racist" doesn't even make you a racist anymore. The new American saying, "Being called a racist is worse than racism!" rings true. All these fools either say it themselves or hear grandma saying it so if Hulk Hogan 'is racist' they'd have to admit that people they love or themselves are racist. The bar for being racist in America is so damn high we may as well delete the word from the dictionary. Fuck, the media even entertained whether Dylann Roof was racist or not. This country truly is a nation of cowards when it comes to race.
 

Zee-Row

Banned
Go look on the WWE Network the Raw episode where Vince McMahon introduces Mike Tyson as the guest enforcer for wrestlemania. On the last minute of the episode you see that Mike Tyson still wants to fight Stone Cold backstage and yells out , "you faggot!" Right before the episode ends.

He's still in the Hall of Fame as far as I know.
 
It's amazing what the wwe was able to get away with back in the day. I remember as a kid The Rock called someone a hermaphrodite and talked about poontang pie. I had no idea what that was at the time.

Bobby Heenan during Tito Santana's matches was something else:

Bobby H: Did you know Tito holds a place in Guiness' Book of World Records?
Gorilla: Yeah? For what?
Bobby H: He picked 1,600 heads of lettuce in 1/2 an hour.

"You know why there were only 220 Mexicans at the Alamo? They only had one car."

Monsoon: "I can't believe that Tito Santana hasn't come out here to help his partner."
Brain: "He can't come out here, immigration is sitting in the front row!"
 

iMax

Member
Go look on the WWE Network the Raw episode where Vince McMahon introduces Mike Tyson as the guest enforcer for wrestlemania. On the last minute of the episode you see that Mike Tyson still wants to fight Stone Cold backstage and yells out , "you faggot!" Right before the episode ends.

He's still in the Hall of Fame as far as I know.

I don't think that's a problem word for them.

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Is that Brooke? Why she is not pretty anymore?

I never found her to be attractive, in my opinion. Everything that people think was 'hot' about her was fabricated. Fake tan. Fake hair. Probably fake other things. Although, if that tall-athletic body type is your thing, you might still find her attractive.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
Brooke honestly looks to same to me as she always did. If she's had anything beyond a boob job since the Hogan Knows Best days then I sure can't tell. Then again, I don't pay much attention.

I don't think that's a problem word for them.

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This is when being a low brow, carny form of entertainment works to your benefit. This little incident came and went with no one beyond TMZ even taking notice.
 
Q

Queen of Hunting

Unconfirmed Member
i dont think many wrestling fans that want the attitude era back realise how much shit was actually said/done and if they did that now they would be ripped apart from not just sponsors / promoters etc etc
 
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Deleted member 47027

Unconfirmed Member
i dont think many wrestling fans that want the attitude era back realise how much shit was actually said/done and if they did that now they would be ripped apart from not just sponsors / promoters etc etc

Absolutely.
 
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