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[JimmyRustler]

I miss the days of choosing a game based on cool box artwork. Everyone is too involved now, that diminishes the joy of gaming GREATLY.

Well, that is something you'll never get back. We are way too connected to each other and our problems. I actually hate this. Bless those days when the only issues I was confronted with were local. Now someone farts at the other side of the planet and for some reason I have to know and care about it. As much as I like talking to you guys all over the planet... it was better when we were not.

 

[Gaiff]

Because it's not all about you? If you want less of a game, then go play other games. No one is making you play anything you don't want to.

My desires are all about me. The fuck you talking about?

 

[dDoc]

They push their agenda all the time.

We should push ours.

Death to GaaS!

 

[analog_future]

My desires are all about me. The fuck you talking about?

Pushing for something to not exist because it's not specifically pertaining to your tastes is some ego-maniacal, sociopathic behavior.

 

[uncreativename]

Also I think that there are so many people buying and playing games that ultimately we usually get results that are pretty reasonable, even if we don't necessarily agree with them. If these social media haters were really all-powerful then Marathon, Ghost of Yotei, and Concord would've all flopped identically. That didn't happen. All you can really control is what you do and say yourself.

In other words, I don't think saying you want a game to fail is actually going to kill it lol. You're not taking away someone else's choice, you're just expressing yourself. Which is how it should be.

 

[Laptop1991]

Yeah i agree, i want all GAAS to fail and Fallout 76, in any order.

 

[Gaiff]

Pushing for something to not exist because it's not specifically pertaining to your tastes is some ego-maniacal, sociopathic behavior.

 

[nial]

Weekend is already over.

 

[analog_future]

I don't give a fuck what you do, but it is what it is.

 

[Mengy]

I miss the days of choosing a game based on cool box artwork. Everyone is too involved now, that diminishes the joy of gaming GREATLY.

I miss cool box artwork too, but it doesn't diminish gaming for me.

I still have many game boxes in my one closet, I look through them once or twice per year, but I should probably just trash them and take back some closet space!

 

[Gaiff]

I don't give a fuck what you do, but it is what it is.

Then why the hell are you crying about it and being hyperbolic? We're talking about wanting damn games we don't like to fail and you decided to play armchair psychologist.

 

[DR3AM]

I just root for games because I like the online drama

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

I don't mind if you hate something, just please recommend a game to play in exchange.

The problem is, if we keep sitting back and tolerating the ruination of the industry, pretty soon we won't have other games to play in exchange.

Unless of course we just go back and play old games. Good thing the nineties and early aughts were prolific and full of releases, unlike today, so there's plenty to recommend.

 

[StueyDuck]

I dont root for anything but when a game fails that deserves it I do get a bit of joy out of it.

But these are 2 different things

 

[analog_future]

Then why the hell are you crying about it and being hyperbolic? We're talking about wanting damn games we don't like to fail and you decided to play armchair psychologist.

How am i crying? I'm just stating the truth about that kind of behavior. If anything your reaction is weirdly over emotional.

 

[Gaiff]

How am i crying? I'm just stating the truth about that kind of behavior. If anything your reaction is weirdly over emotional.

Dude, we're talking about games failing and you bring up sociopathy lmao.

 

[rkofan87]

Why are moron journalists or industry people always making a surprised Pikachu face when gamers root for games they dislike to fail? Of course, you should want something you dislike to fail so you see less of it. What's so hard to understand?

We hate Sony doing GAAS because it comes at the expense of the better single-player games they used to deliver, so we want them to bomb for Sony to realize they're betting on the wrong horse and to give us back what we want. Same reason that many want COD to fail because they're fed up with bro shooters saturating the market and want talented devs to do something else. I haven't seen the next rumored God of War with Faye, but my opinion on it is already negative because I don't want God of War to be feminized. If it bombs, Sony and SSM will hopefully get the message and stop heading in that direction.

You want what you like to succeed to get more of it.

You want what you dislike to fail to get less of it.

Simple, right?

1000%
lets not forget that gaas is the reason we don't have a great company like blue point anymore

 

[rkofan87]

Pushing for something to not exist because it's not specifically pertaining to your tastes is some ego-maniacal, sociopathic behavior.

 

[uncreativename]

Gaming development studios crumbling and then bursting into flames, all the developers heads blown off Doom style, from the power of Neogaffers making a thread criticising them.

 

[ungalo]

Why are moron journalists or industry people always making a surprised Pikachu face when gamers root for games they dislike to fail?

they're disingenuous but some players are the same honestly

 

[Negotiator101]

That's the best aspect of the ABK deal. Only MS could kill the CoD golden goose.

You think COD is dead? You are a silly man if you think that

 

[Generic]

I hate on games that started its existence by killing possibility of good, based game.
If its some rando game from unknown studio i know didnt eat the breakfeast of other proper game i was hoping personaly for then i dont give a damn.

Good example is sony gaas initiative/bungie aquisition and all of its consequences- i hate on it hard coz we know that money could have been put to better use, aka high quality singleplayer blockbusters from back before tlou2, this gen we barely got anything of high quality from sony that doesnt push agenda.

If its for example pubg/fortnite so games from studios that i never hoped to make good game that appeals to me- i dont have any beef with those- not my genre but fk it, guys make truckloads on money, had talent and grit to succeed so more power to them.

Its same logic thats usually aplied to exclusives- if game was funded and would never happened w/o particular platform holder forking up cash in front for it- ofc its better it should exist, if its game beign paid to be timed or proper exclusive only for it to not be on some other platform but devstudio/publisher would greenlit it anyways- then obviously it sux and im not a fan of those(althoo i cant deny particular console creates more value for its owners that way aka incentives more buyers, so i understand why exclusives exist - and i usually fold in the end- what can u do, im weak man who likes to play high quality games, and if they are exclusives so be it ).

So basically the problem is that Sony wants half of their catalog to be multiplayer games instead of everything being Uncharted clones.

 

[Generic]

Sony killing days gone 2 and then greenlight stuff like concord or fair games make it really hard to not wish for their gaas phase demise.

Days Gone struggled to sell. Many games during their PS4 era underperformed or even bombed.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Yea I think most of the time we want failure to break a pattern, there's nothing wrong with wanting that.

If I actively go to a studio and string up some c4 all over then yes that's a major problem, but on a forum being happy when bad games fail is absolutely glorious.

 

[Skifi28]

I feel like this thread could have been just a reply to a different thread. You do you, but I will personally forever be amused by those that spend so much time and energy just hating on things. That Marathon CCU thread is a great example, people spending more time watching like a hawk a game they absolutely hate than those that actually play it. It's so much easier and healthier to just let go and focus on what you do like. Life is short enough as it is, there is no reason to purposely remain miserable all the time including when "relaxing" on your hobby time because someone made a game that doesn't cater to you.

 

[March Climber]

The problem is, if we keep sitting back and tolerating the ruination of the industry, pretty soon we won't have other games to play in exchange.

This will only happen if you become so jaded that you essentially become a doomer, or become so picky that you essentially stop playing everything.

There are 100+ games releasing a year (honestly more than that if we do the research). Even if you say only 10% of them are good that's still 10~12 games, which is almost 1 game per month. There are indie, AA, and AAA showcases every 2-3 months. Even if you decide to cut out an entire country that you don't like, there would still be a ton of games from all of the other regions developing and releasing them on a consistent basis.

The only way to completely run out of good games to play is 100% of your own doing. And like you said, these also count:

Unless of course we just go back and play old games. Good thing the nineties and early aughts were prolific and full of releases, unlike today, so there's plenty to recommend.

which adds up to thousands of older games to find and play.

Far too many games to play before someone is eventually 6 ft under. It's why people want Steam to have an official pass-on system with libraries in the case of a death.

 

[uncreativename]

That Marathon thread is pretty insanely long lol. I've probably read like 1% of it. Also I worry it's driving poor Men_in_Boxes crazy

 

[Generic]

It really irks me when someone doesn't like a game and goes into a bunch of threads spreading misinformation about it or leaves drive-by shitpost or troll comments.

Especially when they do that in an OT. It's annoying AF

The discourse around Highguard, Marathon and Mixtape made me lose hope on the gaming community.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

The discourse around Highguard, Marathon and Mixtape made me lose hope on the gaming community.

Man those are bottom of the barrel examples tho

 

[Walliwallipaloo]

This will only happen if you become so jaded that you essentially become a doomer, or become so picky that you essentially stop playing everything.

Or until they stop making the kind of games that a person (subjectively) likes, which has already happened to me.

I like hand-crafted story-based games. Those basically don't exist anymore, unless they're Australia-funded woke slop, or Sony-made woke slop.
So what else do I have to play in this generation? Extraction-shooter copy-pasta or friendslop meme games.

I sold my Series X and my PS5, and I don't even notice their absence. I'm a life-long gamer, and I won't be buying into the next hardware cycle (if there even is a next hardware cycle), and that's wild. I never would have thought I'd pass on a console cycle, at least not voluntarily. Now I doubt I'll ever buy another console ever again for as long as I live.

People are doing the right thing standing up and tearing these games down. They're not being made because most gamers want them. They're being made, because this is the cost-cutting dreck that boards and shareholders want us to shovel down without question. And now they're getting their two-bit voice actors to work as "influencers" to shut down discontent.

"If you complain, you're a virgin." Fuck off, games industry.

 

[Dacvak]

All this thread is doing is making me realize there are already too many games I'd love to play within my lifetime. And there's definitely not enough time.

 

[Bojji]

You know the capitalist market regulates itself, right?

That's a myth.

 

[rkofan87]

That Marathon thread is pretty insanely long lol. I've probably read like 1% of it. Also I worry it's driving poor Men_in_Boxes crazy

I posted a meme at him that is him in a padded cell lmao.

 

[Three]

Sure I get it if it were a change in studio direction I'm with you but did we learn that Bungie makes GaaS games only yesterday having praised them for Destiny 2 in the early years a decade ago? Did we learn that Bethesda makes clunky jankfests yesterday or did FO76? So why would we want them to fail just because they've been doing what they've been doing for 10+ years prior? Their existence has little to no effect . If you want GaaS games to fail why not vitriol for the biggest ones that actually encourage it by showing the money it can make? Where is the constant Epic should fail and shut down because of Fortnite, Rocket League, or Mojang for Minecraft, ABK for CoD, WoW, D4, overwatch, EA for Fifa, or Rockstar for GTAO. The truth is that the vitriol has nothing to do with that. It's a snowball effect of other hatred, not shaping the industry. This is just a convenient justification now, virtue signaling at its finest.

 

[March Climber]

Or until they stop making the kind of games that a person (subjectively) likes, which has already happened to me.

I like hand-crafted story-based games. Those basically don't exist anymore, unless they're Australia-funded woke slop, or Sony-made woke slop.
So what else do I have to play in this generation? Extraction-shooter copy-pasta or friendslop meme games.

Then take a day to browse steam curation or look up youtube pages who also excel in curation. I can share a few if you want.

As I've stated, at this point over 40 years into gaming, the person creates their own issue.

This part of your post below feels more like a rant you wanted to let out regardless of how I would have responded, so I have nothing to say on it:

I sold my Series X and my PS5, and I don't even notice their absence. I'm a life-long gamer, and I won't be buying into the next hardware cycle (if there even is a next hardware cycle), and that's wild. I never would have thought I'd pass on a console cycle, at least not voluntarily. Now I doubt I'll ever buy another console ever again for as long as I live.

People are doing the right thing standing up and tearing these games down. They're not being made because most gamers want them. They're being made, because this is the cost-cutting dreck that boards and shareholders want us to shovel down without question. And now they're getting their two-bit voice actors to work as "influencers" to shut down discontent.

"If you complain, you're a virgin." Fuck off, games industry.

 

[rkofan87]

Sure I get it if it were a change in studio direction I'm with you but did we learn that Bungie makes GaaS games only yesterday having praised them for Destiny 2 in the early years a decade ago? Did we learn that Bethesda makes clunky jankfests yesterday or did FO76? So why would we want them to fail just because they've been doing what they've been doing for 10+ years prior? Their existence has little to no effect . If you want GaaS games to fail why not vitriol for the biggest ones that actually encourage it by showing the money it can make? Where is the constant Epic should fail and shut down because of Fortnite, Rocket League, or Mojang for Minecraft, ABK for CoD, WoW, D4, overwatch, EA for Fifa, or Rockstar for GTAO. The truth is that the vitriol has nothing to do with that. It's a snowball effect of other hatred, not shaping the industry. This is just a convenient justification now, virtue signaling at its finest.

this i only started rooting for the downfall out of spite because of the blue point shut down

 

[simpatico]

I miss the days of choosing a game based on cool box artwork. Everyone is too involved now, that diminishes the joy of gaming GREATLY.

I just bought and played a game based only on the cool robot on the cover and it totally worked out. Valfaris: Mecha Therion. Steam Deck is really giving me some enchanting gaming experiencing by making me buy smaller stuff like this and giving it the attention I would a $70 AAAA release. Vanquish is a great one. I consider it the killer app Steam Deck exclusive now. It works so well in that arena that it retroactively stole the game from Playstation 2. Vanquish has always been a Steam Deck exclusive. It's also a great example of the design doc you're talking about "cool robot does cool stuff".

 

[uncreativename]

That's a myth.

I generally agree with you, but I do kinda think in this case though that we're mostly seeing a natural gradual correction, because things had gotten so ridiculous. This is way bigger than any of us, we're talking about millions and millions of gamers, most of whom definitely don't read Neogaf. And even social media haters can't convince such a massive amount of people to have a fundamental change of opinion on things on their own, imo.

oh and btw Prodyhig I don't think that anyone's condoning attacking developers directly. That's not what we're talking about. That obviously crosses a line.

 

[Pejo]

People are forgetting that there's a thing called opportunity cost and we all have limited years on this planet.

When a shitty stupid game was being made 20 years ago, it took like 1-2 years to come out, fail or succeed, then move on. Now we're seeing almost a decade for bigger budget games in development. We're seeing publishers wanting to turn every game into an "experience" or a multi-media IP, so they can make movies and other gaming-unrelated stuff.

If it's a stupid fucking game from a studio/publisher that could be making better/different games, I am absolutely going to not want this game to succeed or even release. If nothing else, just so they move on to something else that could be something I like.

If they were shitting out games consistently every 2 years or I could live to be 400 years old, sure, live and let live. But there's nothing wrong with posting on a discussion board that you wanna see games that you don't like fail. Ultimately the most you're going to do is get likeminded people sharing your opinion or arguing with you about it. This isn't like we're killing babies by talking about wanting a game to fail.

I'd argue, if you're a neo-hippie that wants every game to succeed, you're doing worse for your mental health by engaging with threads/posts that want games to fail. Use your own advice and just accept those opinions and move on or ignore them.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

People are forgetting that there's a thing called opportunity cost and we all have limited years on this planet.

When a shitty stupid game was being made 20 years ago, it took like 1-2 years to come out, fail or succeed, then move on. Now we're seeing almost a decade for bigger budget games in development. We're seeing publishers wanting to turn every game into an "experience" or a multi-media IP, so they can make movies and other gaming-unrelated stuff.

If it's a stupid fucking game from a studio/publisher that could be making better/different games, I am absolutely going to not want this game to succeed or even release. If nothing else, just so they move on to something else that could be something I like.

If they were shitting out games consistently every 2 years or I could live to be 400 years old, sure, live and let live. But there's nothing wrong with posting on a discussion board that you wanna see games that you don't like fail. Ultimately the most you're going to do is get likeminded people sharing your opinion or arguing with you about it. This isn't like we're killing babies by talking about wanting a game to fail.

I'd argue, if you're a neo-hippie that wants every game to succeed, you're doing worse for your mental health by engaging with threads/posts that want games to fail. Use your own advice and just accept those opinions and move on or ignore them.

Yea that is a great point, if we're supposedly wasting our time saying a game is bad then those that are here tryin to tell us the game isn't bad, isn't wasting time?

Rules for thee... Somethin somethin...

 

[Inanilmaz]

I don't like doing that. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean others feel the same way.

As much as I HATE roguelike or MP games, there many people who do….who am I to decide what someone should like and shouldn't like.

Fukk them

 

[rkofan87]

I don't like doing that. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean others feel the same way.

As much as I HATE roguelike or MP games, there many people who do….who am I to decide what someone should like and shouldn't like.

completely get this but you have to understand that we were all concerned that the multiplayer crap was taking over the single player sector at Sony

 

[ahtlas7]

How much failure desire is required to cause a game to fail? I need those numbers, a voodoo doll, and some chicken bones … stat!

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

How much failure desire is required to cause a game to fail? I need those numbers, a voodoo doll, and some chicken bones … stat!

I sacrificed someones new born child before marathon released if that helps

 

[rkofan87]

How much failure desire is required to cause a game to fail? I need those numbers, a voodoo doll, and some chicken bones … stat!

well we know it's much lower than a 10K CCU

 

[Danjin44]

completely get this but you have to understand that we were all concerned that the multiplayer crap was taking over the single player sector at Sony

Speak with your money, that's what I do but this gen Sony completely failed me on 1st party games.

But thankfully 3rd party is delivering the games I want.

 

[GymWolf]

Days Gone struggled to sell. Many games during their PS4 era underperformed or even bombed.

DG sold 9 to 10 mil copies between console and pc.

How much did marathon and concord sold?

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I'm fully with you, OP. Especially when there's so much shit being made by formerly competent studios, and awful trends that have derailed entire genres these days. If other people like some of those games, that's fine. Go enjoy them. Doesn't mean I need to play along.

 

[Ryseer]

Why are moron journalists or industry people always making a surprised Pikachu face when gamers root for games they dislike to fail? Of course, you should want something you dislike to fail so you see less of it. What's so hard to understand?

We hate Sony doing GAAS because it comes at the expense of the better single-player games they used to deliver, so we want them to bomb for Sony to realize they're betting on the wrong horse and to give us back what we want. Same reason that many want COD to fail because they're fed up with bro shooters saturating the market and want talented devs to do something else. I haven't seen the next rumored God of War with Faye, but my opinion on it is already negative because I don't want God of War to be feminized. If it bombs, Sony and SSM will hopefully get the message and stop heading in that direction.

You want what you like to succeed to get more of it.

You want what you dislike to fail to get less of it.

Simple, right?

I am a PlayStation fan but,this push for woke and GAAS is some of the worst decision making I've seen from this company.

 

[mdkirby]

i mean of course…it's also not just about wanting less of what you hate but more of what you love. It's also very clear that the only thing they'll understand is money.

It's also fucked up that the consequences of them consistently and intentionally making things gamers do not want to buy is costing 10s of thousands of people their jobs…but they are blaming the gamers? When it was their decision not to make games for their audience that is causing this.

Like if a major cosmetic brand or Gucci or the tampax suddenly decided all their marketing would be showing ageing bald overweight men in wife beater vest blowing up sports cars and having drunken gun fights, and selling "au de beoff" perfume, would we blame the women who stop buying that companies products for all the subsequent job losses? Or would we blame the companies and their marketing departments who have clearly gone insane.

The crazy thing is, unlike the budlight disaster, or the jaguar campaign, which were singular instances of suicidal companies in a larger industry, it's the entire western games industry that seems to have gone off the reservation.