Sosokrates
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An 2080RTX will be roughly equal to ps5/XSX performance. A few years later it will lag because a bigger optimisation on the RDNA architecture.
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if Senua's Saga: Hellblade II is actually what we can expect for next gen consoles does that mean rtx2080 will be outdade by 2020
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Yautja_Warrior
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One things for sure, if games can look like that in 4k, next gen consoles are gonna be way more capable and Series X / PS5 are going to be pretty damn special.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
I’m sorry but it will.
the 2080 will be replaced once just before the consoles get launched to sucker people in then shortly after they will launch a ‘better’ next gen GPU that will be more inline with the next gen.
The PS5 game trailer for example. It seems like it’s 4K 60fps with some form of raytracing.
The 2080 RT card can barely do this with mine craft
The new consoles will eat current PCs for breakfast being unified - of course then PCs will get better but that’s not to say your 2080’s will cut it when they launch - far from it
Monkeygourmet
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How’s Red Dead running for you guys?
Xbone X is running at medium / high settings at 30fps at 4K for £299
How are your £299 rigs going?
Monkeygourmet
Banned
One thing that a new generation shows is the fragility of the PC master race
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If Hellblade 2 was in-game engine visuals, that sure looks good.
But then remember Hellblade 1 was most walking around and watching cut scenes.
Not that hard to have awesome graphics with limited gameplay.
But then remember Hellblade 1 was most walking around and watching cut scenes.
Not that hard to have awesome graphics with limited gameplay.
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Screamer-RSA
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JareBear: Remastered
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Dude,
Monkeygourmet
, what the fuck are you doing?
Monkeygourmet
, what the fuck are you doing?
Unknown Soldier
Member
In 2020 we'll be on the RTX 3000 series on the PC side....
I'm not exactly crying and shaking while typing on my keyboard here. My 3080 Ti will easily outrun anything in the Xbox Sex or PS5. And I'm going to buy a PS5 anyways so it's not like PC vs. console warz mean a lot to me either.
I'm not exactly crying and shaking while typing on my keyboard here. My 3080 Ti will easily outrun anything in the Xbox Sex or PS5. And I'm going to buy a PS5 anyways so it's not like PC vs. console warz mean a lot to me either.
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Monkeygourmet
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Oh are we back in this again....
Facts are, you can’t get better bang for your buck with a console and next gen this is going to be even more apparent.
Okay. You have a 2080TI now with an SSD and kick ass CPU.
That will be about 2k with the case and motherboard etc and STILL you are struggling with RT / 4K / 60fps on current gen games.
Fact is, for a £459 - £499 fee in 2020 you will have 4K RT & 60FPS gaming or even BETTER graphics at 30FPS locked.
PC gamers always whinge yet the only graphical advantages are from brute forcing and the price difference of that is laughable.
We got 60fps and 4K - yeah bro, that cost you 1.5k you dipshit
Facts are, you can’t get better bang for your buck with a console and next gen this is going to be even more apparent.
Okay. You have a 2080TI now with an SSD and kick ass CPU.
That will be about 2k with the case and motherboard etc and STILL you are struggling with RT / 4K / 60fps on current gen games.
Fact is, for a £459 - £499 fee in 2020 you will have 4K RT & 60FPS gaming or even BETTER graphics at 30FPS locked.
PC gamers always whinge yet the only graphical advantages are from brute forcing and the price difference of that is laughable.
We got 60fps and 4K - yeah bro, that cost you 1.5k you dipshit
Monkeygourmet
Banned
Sorry I forget PC gamers can install nude mods of lollis.
I see know why they all protest PC’s are the way forward- it’s the perverts choice
I see know why they all protest PC’s are the way forward- it’s the perverts choice
Self_Destructive
Member
You put a lot of work into this post showing us how stupid you are. I commend you.Oh are we back in this again....
Facts are, you can’t get better bang for your buck with a console and next gen this is going to be even more apparent.
Okay. You have a 2080TI now with an SSD and kick ass CPU.
That will be about 2k with the case and motherboard etc and STILL you are struggling with RT / 4K / 60fps on current gen games.
Fact is, for a £459 - £499 fee in 2020 you will have 4K RT & 60FPS gaming or even BETTER graphics at 30FPS locked.
PC gamers always whinge yet the only graphical advantages are from brute forcing and the price difference of that is laughable.
We got 60fps and 4K - yeah bro, that cost you 1.5k you dipshit
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
We got 60fps and 4K - yeah bro, that cost you 1.5k you dipshit
Yo, whose man is this?
Endless Fluff
Banned
Oh are we back in this again....
Facts are, you can’t get better bang for your buck with a console and next gen this is going to be even more apparent.
Okay. You have a 2080TI now with an SSD and kick ass CPU.
That will be about 2k with the case and motherboard etc and STILL you are struggling with RT / 4K / 60fps on current gen games.
Fact is, for a £459 - £499 fee in 2020 you will have 4K RT & 60FPS gaming or even BETTER graphics at 30FPS locked.
PC gamers always whinge yet the only graphical advantages are from brute forcing and the price difference of that is laughable.
We got 60fps and 4K - yeah bro, that cost you 1.5k you dipshit
Monkeygourmet in a nutshell:
michaelius
Banned
Well they said 4 times as powerfull as X - so since X is 6TF then you arrive at 24TF but since Microsoft marketing gonna do their thing it's obvious they forgot to mention it's 24 at half precision so you end with realistic expectation of 12TF with ability to use FP16 calculations (same technology Sony has in Pro)
TaroYamada
Member
I mean it's using PC HW, so no imo. If you've been paying attention to GPU benchmarks you've likely noticed that we're not seeing huge leaps in performance gen to gen, the gains are in fact getting harder to achieve. That won't change drastically solely because MS/Sony make some new consoles.
TeamGhobad
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it would be insane to think that was a bullshot..
Monkeygourmet
Banned
Yeah so many people larping here.
Tell me what you are actually disagreeing with?
So you are saying a PC costing £499 (assuming that’s the price of next gen) will be able to display better graphics than a PS5 or Sex Bone?
Fuck oooooofff...
Tell me what you are actually disagreeing with?
So you are saying a PC costing £499 (assuming that’s the price of next gen) will be able to display better graphics than a PS5 or Sex Bone?
Fuck oooooofff...
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Phil said the GPU is TWO times more powerful than the X which if he means number of TF that would be 12. It's still up in the air whether it's double the TF or double the power of the previous GPU taking other considerations than just TF. There is no actual confirmation that it has 12 TF.
Is there a metric other than TF for raw power? What is it?
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Oh are we back in this again....
Facts are, you can’t get better bang for your buck with a console and next gen this is going to be even more apparent.
Okay. You have a 2080TI now with an SSD and kick ass CPU.
That will be about 2k with the case and motherboard etc and STILL you are struggling with RT / 4K / 60fps on current gen games.
Fact is, for a £459 - £499 fee in 2020 you will have 4K RT & 60FPS gaming or even BETTER graphics at 30FPS locked.
PC gamers always whinge yet the only graphical advantages are from brute forcing and the price difference of that is laughable.
We got 60fps and 4K - yeah bro, that cost you 1.5k you dipshit
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I'm not tech knowledgeable enough to answer you intelligently. I'm repeating what I saw in the DF Video discussion that less than 12 TF with a better(?) GPU would add up to 2x the power of X.
That's DF fake news.
As usual.
I really don't know how they can compare two consoles with different GPUs other than by TF.
Leonidas
Member
Raw performance is the only meaningful metric. We'll have a much better picture when specs are revealed and when RDNA2 GPUs are actually released on PC, to see if RNDA2 has better performance per flop compared to first gen RDNA.
People on this forum should forget that teraflops even exist as it causes too much confusion...
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How do you measure "raw performance"?
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Yeah especially for dumb blonde non-techies. I don't even know what a teraflop is
Thanks for a much better explanation than I could do.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ah. Sorry missed the bit about PC.
Obviously it's wrong to measure a console GPU by using a PC API. You just cannot compare.
Leonidas
Member
You can compare, it seems you're just not understanding how the comparisons can be made...
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I do understand, essentially you're claiming that if nobody in PC multiplatform game or benchmark cannot extract enough power it cannot be possibly extracted.
Well I have some news for you.
Hint: the vast majority of PC games are either bottlenecked by CPU or ROP>VRAM badwidth.
Kenpachii
Member
Yet everybody was talking how 780ti was dead because 3gb of v-ram same with titan and its "only 6gb" vs 8gb on PS4 at the time. See how that went. Same kind of logic people apply there. Yet it outperforms the PS4 every day without breaking a sweat.
The 2080ti is also a lot more faster on average in games then 117%, i would say its about 135% faster. And that's actually a lot when u look at it on 4k solutions, if pc gamers sit at 1440p ( which most of them have that got that card most likely as 4k isn't much of a thing on PC segment ) there will be even more gains that consoles can't keep up with as there gpu gets butchered on 4k resolutions.
About performance3 however a lower tflop gpu 750ti 2gb has been outperforming the PS4 for a long time now unless the games is butchered on the PS4 to run less stuff then the 750ti by lower presets.
Average that 750 ti wins.
PC settings are different then console settings. Xbox one X and that game u talk about RDR2 has presets lower then the lowest preset on PC. It goes basically below that. That why it does perform better then on PC at low settings in benchmarks. PC games however can be downscaled into infinity until it runs on potato pc's. like control can run on a 2 core integrated vega 200ge athlon that's 48 bucks new right now lol.
Anyway its also not uncommon for games to be down mastered for consoles this happens all the time to keep performance up. Good examples are bdo, divinity 2, they are billions.
About the tflop part. yes that's what i mentioned a while back and that's what phil also states. 12tflop is what the xbox series X performs if you look at it from a xbox one x perspective performance wise.It's double the gpu power which will get butchered really quick with higher pc like settings.
Monkeygourmet
Banned
PC Gamers now start threads about what GPU they should upgrade to
Guys... Should I wait? I’m so confused
Well. I can tell you know my friend. You should wait - next gen consoles are about to change everything so save your money sweet child
Guys... Should I wait? I’m so confused
Well. I can tell you know my friend. You should wait - next gen consoles are about to change everything so save your money sweet child
Leonidas
Member
I didn't make any claim other than it will be compared as it was compared this gen. If you disagree with the comparisons made with current gen and PC, fine, but don't go putting words in my mouth...
pawel86ck
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Yes, you cant match all settings perfectly on PC with xbox x version, but the most expensive settings are already on low or medium, and therefore you cant expect drastic performance difference from there.
RX 580 on PC runs RDR2 with similar settings in 4K at around 20fps, and you need over 30fps (around 35fps average) in order to play at locked 30fps. It's possible to gain additional 3-5 fps with further tweaks, but then game looks worse than xbox x version.
RDR2 is PC port, but games on PS4P also shows better TFLOPS architecture efficiency on xbox x. With only 40% TFLOPS more, xbox x can render 2x more pixels compared to PS4P GPU. It's a proof MS has customized their GPU with amazing results and at this point I dont even like to compare xbox x GPU to standard RX 580.
I expext MS will also prepare some specific GPU optimizations for xbox SX, so their 12TF console will be even faster than numbers suggest.
Just because a PC can run games faster with way faster hardware does not mean thiner APIs do not give consoles an advantage. GNM is faster compared to DirectX in a like for like comparison as is DX11.x which is the XBO version.
I find it highly unlikely that someone who actually works at naughty dog would make such a huge gaf as saying that’s the PlayStation runs DX. The only thing close to reality from your statements I can find is that iirc PSSL is quite close to GLSL or HLSL (can’t remember which).
the PlayStation does not fun DX, nor is it capable being a BSD derivied operating system it doesn’t even support it and would also likely violate many patents and copyrights that Microsoft had if it did.
the only thing close to correct you got is that the programmers use Windows because it’s the default IDE supported by the PS4 for debugging and profiling but even then it doesn’t use msvc but clang as the compiler because it has to run on the actual hardware.
lukilladog
Member
You are making another weak analogy, 3gb were able to do it for a few years because consoles didn´t have good bandwidth to push memory anyway. If you are happy with the 2080ti getting 3fps more than the ps5 at 4k, good for you.
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The reason i say death stranding is because its a visually impressive late generation game that runs on a console based engine. It should give a e much better picture then some of the other games that have been compared.
VFXVeteran
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You are right of course. But it doesn't seem to matter when the games get compared. PS4 Pro is hardly ever running the games as fast or at high resolution when compared to the X1X. I'm trying to show that brute force power will always win out. Not the thin layered API when comparing multiplat games.
I never said that the PS runs on that. They have seperate boxes. PC is the main dev machine running Windows, VS, and PLSL.
Yes. You are correct.
rsouzadk
Member
I’m sorry but it will.
the 2080 will be replaced once just before the consoles get launched to sucker people in then shortly after they will launch a ‘better’ next gen GPU that will be more inline with the next gen.
The PS5 game trailer for example. It seems like it’s 4K 60fps with some form of raytracing.
The 2080 RT card can barely do this with mine craft
The new consoles will eat current PCs for breakfast being unified - of course then PCs will get better but that’s not to say your 2080’s will cut it when they launch - far from it
4k@60fps with raytracing, on a 500usd box? Well, believe what you want.
Of course if your PC card is multiple times faster then the console its going to win out. BTW the X1X also has the same type of API so the comparison you are making is invalid.
VFXVeteran
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Overall realworld performance is what I'm talking about not the API -- we've beat that horse to death already. And yes, from where I'm sitting, I'll never have to consider buying a console to show me the best of the director's vision. The PC will always be that platform. As far as learning the hardware for my own career, again a PC with x86 and DX/Vulkan will be the best choice. Having conversated with my friends who work on both platforms (Sony and MS) -- they also prefer the PC. What I'm hearing from the production side is that it would be much much easier if everyone had a common box, common API, common hardware components, etc.. to lower costs and increase productivity. And from the looks of it, that's exactly where the industry is moving. This just can't be denied. It's purely the reality of the situation. No PC master race or console hater words here.. it is what it is.
CameFromNearFuture
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What is funny is that, as I have been told, the Very First game ever announced officialy for PS5 already does that lol
Jtibh
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Anyone can show me a game on pc that is todays version of crysis?
Not ray trace taki shit in control or bf5 but that has the omfg effect of crysis from back then.
Anyone?
The only time i felt i am in the future was when i saw crysis and when i saw tomb raider on a voodoo 3dfx the first time coming from psone.
You can have your 2080 s and 3090 s and can wipe your ass with it if the only benefit you get is same console game 4k at 100 whatever fps .
The good old days when we looked at pc gaming as god are over . Duke 3d, quake, unreal, tie fighter .....man the list is long...these experiences are gone.
Not ray trace taki shit in control or bf5 but that has the omfg effect of crysis from back then.
Anyone?
The only time i felt i am in the future was when i saw crysis and when i saw tomb raider on a voodoo 3dfx the first time coming from psone.
You can have your 2080 s and 3090 s and can wipe your ass with it if the only benefit you get is same console game 4k at 100 whatever fps .
The good old days when we looked at pc gaming as god are over . Duke 3d, quake, unreal, tie fighter .....man the list is long...these experiences are gone.
Jtibh
Banned
LANGUAGE!!!!!!!Yeah so many people larping here.
Tell me what you are actually disagreeing with?
So you are saying a PC costing £499 (assuming that’s the price of next gen) will be able to display better graphics than a PS5 or Sex Bone?
Fuck oooooofff...
There are children present.