I'm expecting the setting to be similar to 3, but for it to be a graphical showpiece on the next-gen consoles.
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I'm expecting the setting to be similar to 3, but for it to be a graphical showpiece on the next-gen consoles.
OldJadedGamer
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You are aware that Sony pays EA for timed
exclusive DLC so that PC and 360 owners have to wait right?? You also know that Sony paid Konsmi to withhold DLC from just US 360 customers while European 360 owners get the DLC.
Whatever man. Believe what you wan't to believe but if MS has full backwards compatibility I really don't see why people would pick up a ps4 over the 720. There still remains stuff to be seen but what Sony showed of it's first party support shouldn't really scare Microsoft in the least.
Baconsammy
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So don't buy a Sony or Microsoft console? How do I show my disdain for them both doing this?
BC isn't the advantage you think it is. It's great to have, but it's hardly a deciding factor, especially early on when core gamers are more apt to buy a console. Think a Sony fanboy is going to switch allegiance over BC?
Exclusive developers never decide to make multiplatform games though, they work on a single set of devkits and proceed to squeeze every single bit of power out of these platforms.
Forcing devs to hold a multiplatform title back for a few months just because you waved a big sack of money at the publisher is still a garbage practice. I know that it probably makes business sense but I think it's sad when gamers start cheerleading these kind of habits like they somehow benefit. Nobody benefits except investors.
BRocknRolla
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I would love for all of those suggestions to come to pass.
Realistically speaking? The next MS box will be an under-powered, media-hub focused, kinect-integrated, online-advertiser loving, metro-designed, $50-$100 cheaper set-top box that also happens to play games. And that will be plenty enough to sell it to the mainstream.
These suggestions for besting the PS4 are suggestions for the "core-gamer" and that quite simply isn't where MS will be spending their marketing dollars. I would love to find I'm totally wrong though, I really would.
Realistically speaking? The next MS box will be an under-powered, media-hub focused, kinect-integrated, online-advertiser loving, metro-designed, $50-$100 cheaper set-top box that also happens to play games. And that will be plenty enough to sell it to the mainstream.
These suggestions for besting the PS4 are suggestions for the "core-gamer" and that quite simply isn't where MS will be spending their marketing dollars. I would love to find I'm totally wrong though, I really would.
I don't think anyone gives a shit about BC outside of forums. They'll care about features, exclusives, etc.
No BC will not make or break any system but I think it will make a lot of gamers second guess themselves before making a digital purchase on the next systems.
Forget about iOS even, think about Steam. A lot of gamers are getting used to the idea of collecting a big library of games that isn't locked to one hardware configuration. Steam is even starting to unlock the game you purchased for different operating systems (when available).
Now, Sony and (most likely) MS are saying "hey its cool you built up a great digital library of games but yeah, go ahead and do it again. lol." It wont have a big effect but it will have one for sure.
Forget about iOS even, think about Steam. A lot of gamers are getting used to the idea of collecting a big library of games that isn't locked to one hardware configuration. Steam is even starting to unlock the game you purchased for different operating systems (when available).
Now, Sony and (most likely) MS are saying "hey its cool you built up a great digital library of games but yeah, go ahead and do it again. lol." It wont have a big effect but it will have one for sure.
Yeah. I respect your opinion, and maybe you're right. I can't claim insight into every future possible purchaser.
But I still don't think it's that big of a deal, and I further don't think it will stop (most) people from buying the console. It's just a nice perk, arguably, as it will most certainly add cost and take up resources that could IMO be better spent elsewhere.
Agree to disagree, I guess. I have this vision of angry people playing last gen games for the next 6 or 8 years, shaking their fists in righteous defiance. Bold inspiring music in the background... Inspiring. =)
BC is a feature. Probably one of the only ones separating Sony and Microsoft.
Arrogant Menace
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Forcing? they're not forcing anyone I rather the Devs make extra revenue then risk layoffs
Says a guy with a Half-Life avatar.
There's not a single 3rd party developer that is particularly bothered to develop their game around a platform's strengths.
OldJadedGamer
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Or be forced into iOS development.
So you would be fine if Microsoft flat out paid for exclusives as long as they are not timed? I sure everyone would be so happy if Microsoft bought EA. You guys should be happy they are only paying for timed exclusives.
goldenpp72
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If MS chooses to not have BC, the media will barely talk about it, if they do, it will create a shit storm similar to the 599 price of the Ps3. You can bet MS will take any feature they have above the PS4 and run with it. Don Mattrick making jokes about renting all your purchased content, etc.
I can't imagine the backlash if all iphone content was dropped support wise on a new iphone, only console gamers seem to think this is alright.
I can't imagine the backlash if all iphone content was dropped support wise on a new iphone, only console gamers seem to think this is alright.
Arrogant Menace
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well i wouldn't say they're mid tier but outside of GOW (which I'm exhausted from ) they have been pretty mediocre even if they're are an helper studio.
Liabe Brave
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Exactly! Of course BC is a positive thing to put on a features list, but it's just one among many factors. Its absence might be a negative, but not to the extent of irrevocably killing a console. Your claim otherwise is what people are arguing with.
Regarding Durango, I don't expect it to have BC. But as for "not being focused on gaming", that doesn't make any sense. At their reveal event, I expect Microsoft to have a new racer (Forza or PGR), a new Fable (or possibly another IP by Lionhead), something (possibly exclusive) from Epic, and a new IP from Black Tusk as launch window games. Possibly also exclusive DLC from Respawn or Activision. That sounds like a good core lineup against the Sony reveal, no matter how many Kinect games/features they also show. And then of course, both companies will have many more games at E3.
A game like GOW is a system seller though, as are other games like GT from other Sony studios. I'd never say Nintendo's studios are midtier for games like Zelda even if I'm tired of those personally.
I think it's the opposite. I think the world at large will care about BC if it's available one place and not another. This generation is different as it's the first with large online games/communities and also the first with large-scale digital purchasing going on.
If you take a look at the Top 20 list on XBL, it's not what you'd expect from hanging out here. Games that are years-old are at the top of the list. People are online with their friends, playing the games that they like to play. If a new box comes out and suddenly cuts all of that off, I think we'll see backlash (in the form of lowered sales). If I can grab a new box, play new games and still join my buddies in Black Ops 2 or whatever, I'd be more inclined to make that transition.
As somebody else pointed out, this is a huge part of the "ecosystem" that iOS has going; once you've invested in games/apps and you know they'll run on your future iPhone / iPad, it's a much harder choice to switch to a new system and lose all that (or have to run two).
I think it's going to play out differently with the mass market than is expected.
Exactly. Imagine the commercials talking abou full bc and comparing it to Sony who is asking you to pay to play your old games with lag and video compression.
A Fable MMORPG doesn't count as thunder...Forza 5 would, I guess, but one first party game isn't that great. I think it's impossible for them to meaningfully "bring first party thunder" right now unless they want to announce they're buying some companies.
Microsoft won't promote Durango as a gaming machine. Also, backwards compatibility is extremely unlikely, and they'd have to be incompetent to not allow any digital content to cross over, even for a fee, so I don't think that's worth mentioning.
Basically, this list was worthless. I would say Microsoft needs to make their console ~$350, announce continued third party support, and announce a useful third party exclusive or two and they have "countered" Sony.
Microsoft won't promote Durango as a gaming machine. Also, backwards compatibility is extremely unlikely, and they'd have to be incompetent to not allow any digital content to cross over, even for a fee, so I don't think that's worth mentioning.
Basically, this list was worthless. I would say Microsoft needs to make their console ~$350, announce continued third party support, and announce a useful third party exclusive or two and they have "countered" Sony.
Why's that?
Duxxy3
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What if they're going after the non gamers?
Wait? Kinect is the main focus for the 720? What the fuck? Link?
You guys happened to miss the fucking move controller being implemented in the DS4? Or the ps4 having a camera shipped with the console? Or media molecular making a shitty minecraft/wii music disaster? And since BC of ps3 is out of the question, that means sony will develop even more games for it.
Give me a fucking break. Neogaf is officially the pachter of video game forums.
You guys happened to miss the fucking move controller being implemented in the DS4? Or the ps4 having a camera shipped with the console? Or media molecular making a shitty minecraft/wii music disaster? And since BC of ps3 is out of the question, that means sony will develop even more games for it.
Give me a fucking break. Neogaf is officially the pachter of video game forums.
Arrogant Menace
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oh yea i agree with you fully, but i think comparing zelda too GOW is a terrible comparison zeldas generally innovate every game outside of the story concept.
well they have like 10-12 studios game studios they haven't released anything yet, so im sure they can flex core and family titles if they wanted 2.
AZ Greg
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Whoever is in charge of marketing would need to be fired if the commercials for a new, next-generation consoles were focusing on the ability to play old games. A bullet point? Sure. The center of an advertising campaigh? lol
Dedicate an hour to Kinect and hand waving if they want as long as they take an hour to show off real first party games.
I don't really care about timed exclusive DLC or games. I don't have a 1 month expiration date like majority of console gamers have.
Unless it's free to play, MMORPGs that aren't World of Warcraft are dead in the water. I wouldn't consider 500k or less much of a success/big deal.
Hm...If they mean "like Fable 2 (or 3) but 'MMO'" with no subscription, etc. I suppose it's a big deal. I guess that's likely what they meant. MMORPG tends to make me think of all of the failures, though.
Come on, they're not that dumb. The only subscription that will be required is XBL Gold.
Delusibeta
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Crap backwards compatibility didn't hurt the 360 (or the PS3 for that matter).
Syphon Filter
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for me it does. if i can't play shadow complex on 730 and my 360 breaks then i am screwed. they will shut down the ability to re download.
goldenpp72
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I think another thing people don't think about, but if the content is BC, then people can continue to purchase old content from XBLA/Psn during fire sales, etc. People who don't actively turn on their old consoles will no longer see all the content in a store front.
Maybe not the center but I think consumers would see that the 720 is a better system to buy regardless of exclusives.
I didn't purchase hundreds of dollars worth of digital games on those platforms.
Syphon Filter
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It's funny seeing people defend these companies for the bs they pull like having no BC. Sony bragged about that for ps3 in their reveal. Even ios has it...
AZ Greg
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Manmademan
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Digital distribution makes things a bit more irritating. Now that the PS3 and PS4 aren't compatible, I will have content I can't access on the PSN unless I drag the PS3 out. and those things don't last forever. if my PS3 goes out, those games are sitting in my purchase history, totally useless.
Colonel Nasty
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Everything digital has it. Except PS4.
For a system launch, I think that could very well be true. Besides MS already stole away almost every meaningful exclusive the Playstation brand had (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Silent Hill, GTA...) except for Gran Turismo which let's face it we won't see for quite a while.
If the big first party exclusive that your launching your system with is Killzone 4, you've got problems.
Hahaha, indeed. This article has bad all over it and the MMO suggestion is terrible. Because the world really needs another MMO right now.
If MS announced the Fable team was making something akin to Skyrim, but with up to 4 player online co op, then people would be excited. MMO announcement would be followed by yawns and indifference.
I'm interested to see how MS does with first party development. First party doesn't necessarily mean good, and quite a few of their teams are unproven. There's no way to say if Black Tusk or any of the others will turn out to be a great studio.
Fable has been pretty bad and I don't see it getting any better with the exodus at Lionhead over the last couple years. Not much else needs to be said about Rare. I think 343 Industries still hasn't earned the trust of the Halo fanbase and has actually turned away a lot of people. Its going to be on them to get it together and be their flagship studio. Turn10 is easily MS's best studio. The partnership with Playground on Horizon looks good too. The future of Gears is really uncertain as well since so many people left Epic.
Sony burned a lot of goodwill with their outside development partners, so I don't see them signing too many second party development contracts outside of Quantic Dream and Ready at Dawn. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see those studios get bought if their next games are successful. Sony expanded their successful studios into multiple teams, which seems like a really smart strategy to keep their releases frequent and of a high quality.
There's still a few possible Durango games that are pretty exciting though. Remedy with Alan Wake 2 and whatever Ruffian is working on. First party development is really important early on and I think MS understands that. We just have to hope that some of that isn't going to be on whatever Kinect bullshit is happening there.
Fable has been pretty bad and I don't see it getting any better with the exodus at Lionhead over the last couple years. Not much else needs to be said about Rare. I think 343 Industries still hasn't earned the trust of the Halo fanbase and has actually turned away a lot of people. Its going to be on them to get it together and be their flagship studio. Turn10 is easily MS's best studio. The partnership with Playground on Horizon looks good too. The future of Gears is really uncertain as well since so many people left Epic.
Sony burned a lot of goodwill with their outside development partners, so I don't see them signing too many second party development contracts outside of Quantic Dream and Ready at Dawn. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see those studios get bought if their next games are successful. Sony expanded their successful studios into multiple teams, which seems like a really smart strategy to keep their releases frequent and of a high quality.
There's still a few possible Durango games that are pretty exciting though. Remedy with Alan Wake 2 and whatever Ruffian is working on. First party development is really important early on and I think MS understands that. We just have to hope that some of that isn't going to be on whatever Kinect bullshit is happening there.
The Bookerman
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Oh please do explain!
Hey gamers: Look at these guys : They are the new faces for Xbox. Fills me with confidence.
Microsoft is transitioning the 360 into an entertainment box.
Ughhh. I don't like the sound of that.