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IGN Editorial: 3DS vs. PS Vita - Will History Repeat Itself?

I think both will do well PSVita will do a lot better then PSP, But they still games game only on the Vita, 3DS most will wait for new Mario or Pokemon

yeah same as last gen but with Vita doing better over in USA and EU jap love they MH
 
Ebenezer said:
I know you're bullshitting because kids definitely care about graphics. Women generally don't care as much about games, and "old people" still remember Nintendos glory days. My whole point is like I said, you've got this parallel where

16 years ago Nintendo came out with N64 which was the distant second place console compared to Playstation. If your parents bought you a N64 as your first console you were like "Damn I wish they would have bought a Playstation."

Fastforward 16 years to now and suddenly Nintendos public image takes a major hit. Coincidence? I think not.

Fastforward 2-4 years from now and 16 year olds today will start having kids, and naturally like all parents they'll want their kids to have better than they had. If they had an N64, they're gonna buy their kids a Sony system because thats better than what they had and they've seen Nintendo falter all their lives.

I'm using consoles as an example but what I'm really getting at is the Nintendo brand as a whole and how I believe it all relates to how these handhelds will stack up to each other.

I really don't want to derail the thread though. If a member wants to make a topic about the subject of how time and age has effected the gaming industry today I think you'd all be in for a treat because it's a really fascinating topic.

FYI.
This doesnt make any sense.
BTW
you meant affected not effected.
 
Deadly Joker said:
Just wait for Final Fantasy XIII and Metal Gear Solid 4! They will destroy the Wii!

They sure did destroy the Wii on HD platforms, they'll just destroy the Wii again on a handheld....Oh wait!
 
I think 3DS will be more successful overall, but Sony will improve since they aren't $100+ more expensive than Nintendo's system this time.

I hope both do well since they offer different things.. and also because I own 3DS and will likely buy PSVita at launch.
 
Skilletor said:
People don't want console games on their handhelds?

Aren't there a bunch of 3DS fans clamoring for Ocarina of Time right now? And Starfox 64? And Tekken? and Super Smash Bros? etc.
I'm sorry where can i play updated versions of Star Fox and OoT on my Wii.

It's not so much that we don't want to play console games, we don't want our entire experience to be sloppy seconds. The DS had a strong showing of original titles and games. The PSP, not so much.

Case in point, this Xmas do i buy the shiny, new UC3 game made by Naughty Dog proper for 60 bucks, or spend 300 bucks on the cheaper handheld version?
 
Tiktaalik said:
I think the PS Vita will do about exactly as well as the PSP did. Nothing really has changed. So far it looks like Sony is still going after the exact same hardcore segment of the market, and that slice of the market is still much more interested in playing hardcore games on their big, flat screen TVs. If anything the system will do worse this time around as it now has to compete with iOS devices in addition to Nintendo.
Yes, because Android/PS suite games, Ps Mini's and all those smaller casual games on PSN don't exist.
 
remnant said:
I'm sorry where can i play updated versions of Star Fox and OoT on my Wii.

It's not so much that we don't want to play console games, we don't want our entire experience to be sloppy seconds. The DS had a strong showing of original titles and games. The PSP, not so much.

Case in point, this Xmas do i buy the shiny, new UC3 game made by Naughty Dog proper for 60 bucks, or spend 300 bucks on the cheaper handheld version?

hold up.. Golden Abyss is 300 dollars???
 
Why is it that every games journalist seems to want Nintendo dead? I swear to God, if I had a nickel for every doom and gloom impending for Nintendo article I've read...
 
Man God said:
This article is a bit wonky.

PSP failed because it was a console experience in your hands!

Vita disrupts the handheld scene because it has console games...in your hands!
Yeah, I'm not getting IGN's circular logic on this one either. Don't they have editors there that read these articles for this type of shit and then order re-writes? Oh that's right game "journalism".
 
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In this visual metaphor, Sony is a police officer. The PS Vita is battering ram. Nintendo is peering through the window.

This is what will happen http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?title=battering-ram&videoId=170152
 
Man God said:
This article is a bit wonky.

PSP failed because it was a console experience in your hands!

Vita disrupts the handheld scene because it has console games...in your hands!

This isn't why PSP failed. There are number of other smaller reasons which added up to it ultimately failing.

The PSP puported to be a console experience in your hands, and while from a graphical POV it delivered, it didn't when it came to controls, and that was a deal breaker.

EDIT: You've got me saying crap. The PSP did not fail.
 
the article comes to me as fanboy-ish.

just the fact that pokemon and mario is on the 3DS guarantees that the hardware is going to sell well.

the vita has too many things going on with it. hopefully developers already learned that you don't have to incorporate all the features of the hardware to your game, just to make them feel gimicky.

but i have no doubt that sony's "push" for vita as a luxury item will sell the product well.
 
Medalion said:
Nintendo's days are numbered

every fucking time

Seriously. At this point I'm sincerely wondering if there's some kind of generalized hatred between all games journalists as if they're past of some sort of secret organization dedicated to ending Nintendo as a hardware company.

Or maybe they're just fishing for hits, and they know the best way to do it is get Nintendo fanboys butthurt.
 
Always-honest said:
I expect the Vita to do a whole lot better than the psp
The Vita is primed to appeal to the new generation of people who like their fancy portable devices like iPod Touches and Tablets and shit... if Sony markets it more like that as much as it does as a game system Sony could well be a major threat
 
Well in my own circumstance I bought a 3DS and will not be buying a Vita. I bought both a DS and a PSP last gen. I learned my lesson.
 
Who buy handhelds? I'm pretty sure it's mainly parents for their kids. Of course a lot less will do that now with smartphones around. But for the remainder I just don't see a parent buy a Vita with its huge fragile screen. The 3DS looking like a toy might benefit Nintendo. And gadget freaks these days just buy an Ipad. So I think it looks grim for the Vita.
 
Coolwhip said:
Who buy handhelds? I'm pretty sure it's mainly parents for their kids. Of course a lot less will do that now with smartphones around. But for the remainder I just don't see a parent buy a Vita with its huge fragile screen. The 3DS looking like a toy might benefit Nintendo. And gadget freaks these days just buy an Ipad. So I think it looks grim for the Vita.

makes ya think WiiiiiiiiUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
If Sony are prepared to lose money on the Vita for the next 3 years, what do they if, in a year's time, Nintendo decide to drop the 3DS price? Follow Nintendo, drop the Vita price and lose even more money?
 
tanuki said:
If Sony are prepared to lose money on the Vita for the next 3 years, what do they if, in a year's time, Nintendo decide to drop the 3DS price? Follow Nintendo, drop the Vita price and lose even more money?
That was a translation error. Shuhei Yoshida has said that they're most likely profitable from launch but there is a possiblity that they break even or take a very small loss.
 
The PSP failed because it was an inferior experience to the consoles, yet didn't really do much to differentiate it from the PS2; meanwhile, the 3DS seems like it's just that. An upgrade to be a Wii, but without doing much to make it better.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
The PSP failed because it was an inferior experience to the consoles, yet didn't really do much to differentiate it from the PS2; meanwhile, the 3DS seems like it's just that. An upgrade to be a Wii, but without doing much to make it better.

Hasnt the PSP been smashing the 3DS in sales in Japan?
 
Well, Sony certainly has better chances this time around considering the 3DS battery lasts like 2-4 hours at best and the PS Vita is $250. I'm however not sure how it'll work out in the long run. The Nintendo 3DS holiday line-up looks strong and there's quite some support from Level 5 and other companies on the way. I do think that both the PS Vita and 3DS will have a hard time competing against tablets, smartphones and whatnot.
 
artwalknoon said:
Care to explain? Kids who text and surf the internet are the same people who play farmville, restaurant city, and plants vs aliens. So why do better graphics and dual analogs matter to this demographic? The internet has been around for a long time now, these kids have been using it for their whole lives yet Nintendo is still extremely strong with the teen and pre-teen demographic. So how does having kids who surf the web and text hurt the 3ds and help the vita?

A lot of casual ipad users play games with a multi-touch pad, something that the 3DS simply can't provide, it's not like 3DS is at a price that attracts teens and pre-teens right now, unless Nintendo lowers the price, but it's way too soon for Nintendo to do so.
 
Ebenezer said:
Hasnt the PSP been smashing the 3DS in sales in Japan?

Judging a systems sales before any games come out for it is pretty idiotic, especially when there is a pretty little precedent set by it's predecessor of doing the exact same thing.


[Nintex] said:
Well, Sony certainly has better chances this time around considering the 3DS battery lasts like 2-4 hours at best and the PS Vita is $250. I'm however not sure how it'll work out in the long run. The Nintendo 3DS holiday line-up looks strong and there's quite some support from Level 5 and other companies on the way. I do think that both the PS Vita and 3DS will have a hard time competing against tablets, smartphones and whatnot.

My 3DS battery certainly doesn't last as little as 2-4 hours... Hyperbole much?
 
AbsoluteZero said:
Yeah. Even Me & My Katamari played great with the D-Pad and Face Buttons.

oh, come on, that game was atrocious with that setup. no game screamed "i need a 2nd analog" that loudly for me again until peace walker.
 
I dont think that both Handhelds will do very well.

The main selling point of a handheld are: Kids.
Parents buy them because theyre like "mini consoles", with the advantage, that you can take them away from your kid.

How will the 3DS/PSP sell as good as the DS if they cost more than a Wii or even a 360.
 
Ebenezer said:
Hasnt the PSP been smashing the 3DS in sales in Japan?

You know, I checked your recent post history and almost everything about Nintendo (and practically all of it negative).

A lot of it was utter horseshit too.
 
Ebenezer said:
Hasnt the PSP been smashing the 3DS in sales in Japan?

Back when the PSP came out, its main problem was that it was basically a portable PS2. It eventually reached prominence, but it had a number of problems. The Vita fixes quite a few of them, while the 3DS doesn't do much more than attach a gimmick to sell to the mainstream audience.
 
Surely the biggest problem with PSP was that Sony just abandoned the system in 2006? The system was selling well in Europe and America then Sony pulled out of PSP support for nearly two years which then caused the third party support to dry up.

The problem this time is smart phones and tablets. 3DS and Vita are chasing a smaller market than before.
 
Why does every thread with "vs" in the subject turn into an absolute shit fest?

Topic - I pretty much expect the Vita to edge the 3DS this round depending on Monster Hunter exclusivity and other things (price/features, better value)
 
Mojojo said:
HAHAHA, that is awesome :D

I think 3DS will have the larger userbase four years from now, but the gap will be less that with DS and PSP. Maybe 360 vs PS3 numbers worldwide. It's not really about winning. Both consoles do great and the only winners are we, the gamers.
Except if one of them tries to Kinect everything.

Sony is here to stay in the handheld gaming market. Many people say DS has won from PSP, and although it sold more units and software, but we must not forget PSP is the first handheld to ever be really succesful besides Nintendo.
 
It sure will!

3DS demographic, if like the nds, will be every-fucking-one, while the ngp will cater exclusively to teen boys.
 
I think both the 3DS and PSV will be less successful in terms of hardware sales than their predecessors.

The DS, because it's just so insanely huge.

The PSP, because while it "only" sold 70 million units worldwide, I think a lot of early sales were because it was the promise of something new - great (for the time) 3d graphics on a portable.

But ultimately the 3DS will do much better on the strength of Nintendo titles. Pokemon obviously, but I would not be surprised to see them pull something out of their hat that catches fire.

I think the PSV will do better than the PSP in terms of software, because it seems to have fixed many of the complaints about the PSP (2 sticks, UMDs, ghosting on the screen). But at the same time, I think people are just fickle and were looking for excuses in many cases, at least in the West, where people prefer to play games on their comfy couches and on big screens.

And the same time, the software line up doesn't seem to be that compelling unless you happen to be a PS3 fan, and if you are a PS3 fan, why wouldn't you rather play most of those non-exclusive titles on a PS3.

And there is a disturbing lack of 3rd party support (yes, I've seen the list, and no, I'm not impressed, especially as only a few 3rd party titles have actually shown screens). Hopefully this will pick up at the TGS.

And what is going to happen when the PS4 comes out, and it won't be quick and easy to port things to the PSP?

It will be the same thing all over again. The PSP used to get get PS2 downports. When the PS2 died, it got the occasional Wii port, but it was pretty much crickets from Western publishers, unless it was money hatted (like Assassin's Creed).

And then on the low end of the market, which only seems to be growing and growing, you have Sony and Nintendo competing a little, but at a price point far higher than on iPhone.

Very few people will pay $2-4 more for the same title on a handheld just because it happens to have buttons. Some, yes, those that really like buttons and those that don't have an iDevice.

And the ever present danger (like has happened with DS and PSP) of full fledged titles that cost $40 on the PSV/3DS selling for $10 and under on iOS will undermine both handhelds. It will happen. People will notice. Maybe it won't bother the hard core, those that pre-order games because they want it now. But I think those sort of gamers are getting less and less common.

It will hurt the PSV more, because they are more reliant on third parties.
 
It's becoming quite clear that the gap between the two systems will end up being closer than with PSP/DS.

But as excited as I am for Vita, it is still to be seen if the games do have " the legs" to sell the platform.

We know for sure that Nintendo does have all kinds of system sellers for their portable systems (and they have been missing for 3DS as of now), PSP had some too (MH, the golf game ...) but they mostly worked in Japan only.

Cross platform play in itself is nice, but not if you have to buy the games twice, an other concern is that Vita appeals clearly more to the average gamer, that already has an HD system, which in case of the PS3 might be a good thing, but he may just buy the PS3 version everytime.
 
Probably the same outcome, but to a lesser degree. One would assume Sony will somehow manage to at least bandage some of their piracy woes and market a bit better and Nintendo has priced themselves too high for their market and doesn't exactly have an air of good value currently.

Right now, 3DS software is hilariously bad, barely a title worth even spitting on except for a port of a 13 year old game. However, DS had that same situation, it had absolutely nothing for ages. Once Nintendo gets their franchises out and about, namely Pokemon, it'll hit some momentum. I just don't think it'll hit anywhere near what the DS had until the price comes down some and depending on how many third parties back it in Japan again, despite PSP kind of taking over towards the end in that region.

PS Vita I really feel like Sony is making a mistake by not offering TV out on it, furthering the few GOOD things they did with the Go. Most adults in the west just do not give a shit about the portability, but the portables are home to so many good games. It'd make a really nice bullet point.

Heck, let people plug the thing into the PS3/PS4 to use as a glorified Super Gameboy. That's my request!
 
Pokemon this, Pokemon that.

Obviously people cannot remember that Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, and New Super Mario Bros sold a shitload on the DS. They were the system movers. Can Nintendo re-up themselves and hit gold with another Brain Age-esque title? Who knows.
 
jamesinclair said:
Except people dont want console games on their handheld.

Sales for titles like this....

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Call of Duty Black Ops
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People seem to forget that every game EVER has existed on the DS.

And yet people arent buying those games.

Its a whole different market.

These games were also shit in terms of quality and mere shells of their console brothers. The Vita will have these games looking quite nice and appreciable on a small screen. /yourpointisnotvalid
 
I think both Vita and 3DS both will do better than the media expects them to do in spite of the smartphone rise. 3DS will probably not reach DS' success but it should become a healthy platform (at least for first party titles). Vita could blow up in Japan and kill of their console market for good (the West will get Vita ports for the HD twins). Vita will do OK in Europe and the US as long as Sony aggressively encourages PS3/Vita and PSN/Vita bundles and creates a sufficient ecosystem with PSSuite to get iOS/Android devs to port over their games.
 
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