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mr teaspoon said:
A) -1 for obnoxious hyperbole

B) I just have a hard time taking somebody who is flipping out over 'I CAN SEE THOSE EXTRA 360 PIXELS' seriously. Yeah, OK, some people can tell the difference. It's not an end of he world sort off issue, though. They certainly don't lose ALL CREDIBILITY OMG in my book.

It's not like these are some gaming guys who fucked up the difference between 30 and 60 fps, or said something like 'they're uploading the RAMs'.
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Obnoxious hyperbole? Not at all my man, not at all. These are clowns, jokers and fanboys just pretending to be 'journalists' and 'objective'.

B. A person who is supposed to judge the visual aspects of a game, who can tell me the difference between 1080p ( FULL HD ) and 900p and be objective about it, is not supposed to say yeah you cant even tell the difference between full hd and not full hd unless you have a 30 inch screen or whatever.

There is a distinct visible difference between 1080p and 900p. A few weeks ago he was saying "yeah it doesnt matter you cant even see the difference. Now he's all like OMG it's 1080P AWWW yeah that's what we need on Xbox One. So all fears can be put to rest it has parity with ps4! "

This guy is supposed to a an objective person who can be honest in his views. But he sounds like a PR mouthpiece for Microsoft. This guy isn't there for your best interests and to inform you about the actual games at all.

Bornstellar said:
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Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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Thank you. First cogent analysis of this I have seen. Really don't understand the confusion this post has caused.
 
Jeez. What are we fighting over? I'm sure there will be a lengthy DF article comparing the two versions and showing how the PS4 version is superior in whatever ways. Meanwhile, us Xbox guys get a slightly less good looking version that runs in 1080p. Everyone wins.
 
shinnn said:
Just google "720p vs 1080p difference" and you will see a lot of tech sites and people on specialized forums saying the same shit. But whatever. Even Digital Foundry is biased when they say something that some internet group of fanatics dont like.
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Google "moon landing faked" and you will see lots of websites devoted to that. It doesn't make it true, so I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
 
Guymelef said:
You mention AA, and PS4 Destiny still have this awful FXAA while that Bungie guy laughs about fanboy wars and parity on IGN video.
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FXAA takes the lowest hit on frame rates perhaps more intensive ones brought the frame rate too low. We're talking about 30 fps, it's not large difference from shit frame (which is why I hate it). Perhaps it wasn't worth and too time consuming whereas upgrading the XB1 version was far less so. Ultimately your getting the demo's first exclusive content, exclusive dlc content. Precisely why are you upset . You think they should have spent even more time on your version?

Come on now. They're literally throwing XB1 owners a bone.
 
Dragonborn said:
Again, no one is upset that X1 is at 1080, that's great that Bungie managed that. All people are saying is that, with the PS4 being factually stronger, it's only fair to expect the PS4 version to be better. I'm sure a lot of us (especially here on GAF) took power into consideration when making a purchase, so it's only logical to expect devs to use that power and not gimp their games in favor of an inferior machine.

That's all, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.



It's not hard to understand.

PS4 = Stronger, that means we expect devs to take advantage (especially since it's supposed to be easier to dev for). If there is full parity, that means the dev purposely chose to gimp (or hold behind) the Ps4 version to make things even, which is a no go.

This doesn't mean the have to gimp the X1 version either, it just means they should deliver the best product for each machine's capabilities.
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How do you know they're gimping the game for PS4? I read the same crap in the Alien: Isolation thread when it was confirmed to be 1080p30 on both PS4 and Xbox One. It could be that is the game they made, those are the graphics they targeted.

Should they go and create completely new, ultra high quality assets just to make people feel better? No, this is the game they made. And it just so happens that it runs at 1080p30 on both the PS4 and Xbox One with what looks to be identical assets. Not every game is going to look amazing one and average on the other.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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Seven said:
A state of the art PC will never cost the same as an average PC

Until very recently your PS4 cost $100 less than some guys Xbox One.
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What does that have to do with anything? The Xbox One based on what Kinect costs is a ~$350 console, it was $499 because of Kinect, and it's $399 now because Microsoft can charge that.

So you bought the slightly cheaper/same price console with an expensive peripheral, how does that mean PS4 owners should have to pay extra for a game to use it's extra power?
 
Soulflarz said:
...So youre saying price point matters moreso than the hardware? Say i buy a console that is somehow both cheaper and more powerful- are you saying it should have worse or equal graphics to the more expensive console that somehow is less powerful? (These are obviously hypothetical situations- because this obviously cannot happen)
And no, im not just trying to make a dig at you. Feel free to answer this, im actually curious now?
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No. I'm saying that it's one thing to expect more when you pay more. It's another to bitch and moan when a single game is reaching resolution parity and people who paid less are losing their minds.

They keep on saying that they bought a more powerful machine. Ok, but it costs less.

Every single multiplatform game that has been released so far has performed better on PS4. As it should. It makes perfect sense.

I can almost guarantee that despite a parity in resolution, this game will be technically superior on PS4.

The whole point of what I was saying is that these developers are businesses. They do what it takes to thrive as businesses. Obviously games are leading development on PS4, just like they did on the 360 last generation.

So the developer makes a game a certain way. They've reached their goal on the lead platform and they are satisfied. Then they turn to the other version on the inferior machine. Those consumers are paying the same amount for the same game. They paid more for their machines. Don't they deserve to have the closest possible experience? Or should developers instead focus that time and money to make the superior version even more superior so that forum dwellers can feel better about themselves?

This game shouldn't even be causing these kinds of reactions. Bungie has never been a developer that has pushed graphics. Destiny is no exception. It's a decent looking game, but it's far from impressive. When your lead game doesn't look that great to begin with, does it really matter if the other versions get as close as possible?
 
Seven said:
A state of the art PC will never cost the same as an average PC

Until very recently your PS4 cost $100 less than some guys Xbox One.
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What does cost have to do with the ability to display better graphics?

EBreda said:
I'm LOLing at the thought of someone, somewhere, being angry because the game they really want has the same resolution on another console.

LOLing hard, actually.
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Heyyy great response you dunce. I actually don't give a shit that this game is 1080p on Xbox One? Have you even seen me post madly that OMG DIS GAME DONT DESERVE 1080P MUST BE LAZY DEVS OR PARITY GIMP LOLOLOL? Actually no. So maybe respond to my post instead of just trolling like that guy seven. This thread is filled with worthless posts by juniors. And no disrespect to juniors because there are a bunch of awesome juniors but honestly I have seen so many dumbass posts made by juniors these last few days.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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DId you read what you wrote, after your wrote it?

Seriously... this should never be used as an argument anywhere. It is anti-consumer BS that comes from one camp, camp crazy upset about the "console war."
 
This is as idiotic as if Xbox One owners complained about devs not using dedicated servers for every single game because Microsoft offers them for free but not Sony.

But then people are quick to jump down people's throat with "its not economically viable" and no dev is going to change the pipeline or put in extra effort just for Dedicated Servers on one console only.

Or if Xbox fans vehemently derided every dev for NOT using the Kinect substantially because thats another major difference between XBO and PS4.

I mean the game was going to be 900p but has only been bumped up due to Microsoft's engineers and new devkit support. What more do you want? Ya'll would've been perfectly happy with this same PS4 version if the XBO version was just stuck at 900p. But since Microsoft has given Bungie some more support you're going to constantly bitch about parity. It's pretty pathetic.

Kinda goes to show who the fans of Bungie really are and who are just bandwagoners because this is a Sony Marketing Exclusive.
 
Wow the framerate is awful while riding the bike...but got to check that box first.


edit: Also hilarious 80% of the footage is standing still rotating camera sloooooowly. The framerate takes a dive whenever there's action on screen.
 
Looks good. My fellow Xbone owners are getting closer to enjoy the beta too. I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I do. The game is awesome.
 
Jessie.Bristol said:
How do you know they're gimping the game for PS4? I read the same crap in the Alien: Isolation thread when it was confirmed to be 1080p30 on both PS4 and Xbox One. It could be that is the game they made, those are the graphics they targeted.

Should they go and create completely new, ultra high quality assets just to make people feel better? No, this is the game they made. And it just so happens that it runs at 1080p30 on both the PS4 and Xbox One with what looks to be identical assets. Not every game is going to look amazing one and average on the other.
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I don't know yet. We'll know for certain once in-depth analysis is out, but that won't happen a until launch.

If said analysis says that the two versions are indeed at complete parity then we'll know they gimped the PS4 version. How? Common sense, the PS4 is significantly more powerful (the difference should be bigger than 360 and PS3). If both versions are exactly the same, it mean they held back the PS4 version to match the X1 (or that the X1 somehow how does some secret GPU in stored in it). As of now, we know nothing since equal res doesn't tell us much.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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What in the actual fuck...
 
MMaRsu said:
Obnoxious hyperbole? Not at all my man, not at all. These are clowns, jokers and fanboys just pretending to be 'journalists' and 'objective'.

B. A person who is supposed to judge the visual aspects of a game, who can tell me the difference between 1080p ( FULL HD ) and 900p and be objective about it, is not supposed to say yeah you cant even tell the difference between full hd and not full hd unless you have a 30 inch screen or whatever.

There is a distinct visible difference between 1080p and 900p. A few weeks ago he was saying "yeah it doesnt matter you cant even see the difference. Now he's all like OMG it's 1080P AWWW yeah that's what we need on Xbox One. So all fears can be put to rest it has parity with ps4! "

This guy is supposed to a an objective person who can be honest in his views. But he sounds like a PR mouthpiece for Microsoft. This guy isn't there for your best interests and to inform you about the actual games at all.



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Yes, obnoxious hyperbole. Somebody goofing up 720/1080p is not "hilariously bad and sad". Hence hyperbole.

I'm not going to discuss anything else with you. I'm not commenting on how reliable IGN is or anything else, my comments are about your overreaction.
 
I have read this entire thread and I hardly see people arguing that Bungie is not optimizing the PS4 version at all. So this bullshit that PS4 users are angry or upset when a developer reaches resolution parity is nonsense.

mr teaspoon said:
Yes, obnoxious hyperbole. Somebody goofing up 720/1080p is not "hilariously bad and sad". Hence hyperbole.

I'm not going to discuss anything else with you. I'm not commenting on how reliable IGN is or anything else, my comments are about your overreaction.
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Ahh an easy way to not admit defeat and not actually interested in joining the actual discussion.

Alright fine. I will continue not visiting IGN and ridiculing them whenever they embarass themselves like they just did. I do not see any overreacting in my posts.
 
I'm not shocked that people are being unreasonable about this but I do find it unfortunate. It's in the devs best interest to make their game as good as possible on each platform. But differences in power exist. So that all gets factored in. As long as you are getting a respectable experience in line with the main sku, why does anything else matter?
 
Dragonborn said:
I don't know yet. We'll know for certain once in-depth analysis is out, but that won't happen a until launch.

If said analysis says that the two versions are indeed at complete parity then we'll know they gimped the PS4 version. How? Common sense, the PS4 is significantly more powerful (the difference should be bigger than 360 and PS3). If both versions are exactly the same, it mean they held back the PS4 version to match the X1 (or that the X1 somehow how does some secret GPU in stored in it). As of now, we know nothing since equal res doesn't tell us much.
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How would that indicate anything? They created the assets they wanted at the quality they wanted them to be. If the Xbox One wasn't capable of running those assets, they would have reduced them (poly count, texture resolution, shadow resolution, etc). They aren't going to create two separate games to appease one fanbase when this is the game they wanted to make.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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That's not how game development works.
 
Seven said:
No. I'm saying that it's one thing to expect more when you pay more. It's another to bitch and moan when a single game is reaching resolution parity and people who paid less are losing their minds.

They keep on saying that they bought a more powerful machine. Ok, but it costs less.
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Theres not much to talk about on the other half of the post without getting into simple opinions, but...you keep mentioning price, which I really dont think is valid. Those are prices set by the companies. Sony could theoretically charge $700 if they wanted. It would be idiotic beyond belief, but they could if they wanted to. Its moreso that cost of the two consoles shouldnt have to do with what one expects their games to look like when one is more powerful than the other.

Er...im going to try to put this in a way that makes sense in general?
In this argument, assuming sony did charge a ridiculous amount for the ps4, you would lose a lot of your ground. But your stance on graphics and what a dev chooses to do arent suddenly more valid because Sony decided to make the console costs less than the other- in reality, this shouldnt affect it at all?
 
MMaRsu said:
What does cost have to do with the ability to display better graphics?



Heyyy great response you dunce. I actually don't give a shit that this game is 1080p on Xbox One? Have you even seen me post madly that OMG DIS GAME DONT DESERVE 1080P MUST BE LAZY DEVS OR PARITY GIMP LOLOLOL? Actually no. So maybe respond to my post instead of just trolling like that guy seven. This thread is filled with worthless posts by juniors. And no disrespect to juniors because there are a bunch of awesome juniors but honestly I have seen so many dumbass posts made by juniors these last few days.
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MMaRsu said:
They aren't? Actually they should be entitled to better looking games because they bought the better performing machine, and games that are purposefully held back just because another platform can't keep up sucks. And gamers have the right to not purchase that title in that case.

You are honestly just spouting nonsense nonsense nonsense bro. This might be the new worst post ever.
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While this is still pre-release footage, the 1080p XB1 version seemed to have some framerate and screen-tearing differences from what I saw in the PS4 Beta. Hopefully we'll see that improved on further. It's hard to judge with web-footage.

Those observations aside, it's unfortunate seeing a situation where a version of a game has shown well in both an Alpha and a Beta, and a later announcement/demonstration that it'll run similarly on a different platform elicits aggravation on the parts of those who had previously been pleased with what was shown. This isn't a situation where there was an obvious compromise to the detriment of that first system; the game was already satisfactory to most, but learning that an unrelated system performs similarly is grounds for disappointment. Simply reporting that the versions are similar and commentary and claims from from the company making it that it'll be well optimized on all platforms is considered incendiary.
 
Destiny looks good on Xb1. Much better than this thread is looking. Yikes. I don't have the energy to combat some of the nonsense I've read in here.
 
MMaRsu said:
Ahh an easy way to not admit defeat and not actually interested in joining the actual discussion.

Alright fine. I will continue not visiting IGN and ridiculing them whenever they embarass themselves like they just did. I do not see any overreacting in my posts.
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Uh, yes, clearly I'm not interested in the larger discussion. Which is why I'm not taking part in it. Not gonna take the bait on 'defeat'.

I know you didn't see any overreacting - you needed it pointed out to you.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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Bornstellar said:
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Am I talking about this game in particular? I am just saying, there shouldn't be any parity, forced or otherwise if one platform is more powerful than the other. Do you disagree?

i think some people are misunderstanding.

Im bailing outta this thread. Didnt mean to hate, just pointing out how dumb IGN is really.
 
Yea it's pretty pathetic some of you are upset that the XB1 version is going to be at parity with the PS4. It has been stated it was going to hit 1080p at launch.

Both games will run fine. Deal with it. Really disgusted at some of the comments. fanboy bias is clearly being shown by some.
 
Destiny is far from a pusher in terms of tech. I would expect better AA/AF compared to other versions on PS4, but i have a feeling it wont happen.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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Gestault said:
While this is still pre-release footage, the 1080p XB1 version seemed to have some framerate and screen-tearing differences from what I saw in the PS4 Beta. Hopefully we'll see that improved on further. It's hard to judge with web-footage.

Those observations aside, it's unfortunate seeing a situation where a version of a game has shown well in both an Alpha and a Beta, and a later announcement/demonstration that it'll run similarly on a different platform elicits aggravation on the parts of those who had previously been pleased with what was shown. This isn't a situation where there was an obvious compromise to the detriment of that first system; the game was already satisfactory to most, but learning that an unrelated system performs similarly is grounds for disappointment. Simply reporting that the versions are similar and commentary and claims from from the company making it that it'll be well optimized on all platforms is considered incendiary.
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This pretty much what rubs me badly about all this. If the PS4 version was the same but the XB1 looked worse we wouldn't get this kind of discussion. It's like the post earlier in the thread it's not enough I succeed other people must fail.
 
Seven said:
Perhaps PS4 versions of games should start costing more.

Want developers to take advantage of that extra power? Pay $20 more.

Xbox One players will pay the same for a copy of the game that PS4 players will pay. PS4 players aren't entitled to superior versions from a third party developer just because the PS4 is a more powerful machine.

They also paid less or the same amount currently for their consoles. We already paid less for a more powerful machine. I could maybe understand if the PS4 was a more expensive machine, but it was $100 less until very recently.

Can't have it both ways.
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Sorry but this post needs to be purged.
 
Boke1879 said:
Yea it's pretty pathetic some of you are upset that the XB1 version is going to be at parity with the PS4. It has been stated it was going to hit 1080p at launch.

Both games will run fine. Deal with it. Really disgusted at some of the comments. fanboy bias is clearly being shown by some.
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You do realize we're not just talking about the 1080p bump, right?
Miles Quaritch said:
It's good to see Bungie aiming for parity. I always like it when my rights as a consumer are respected.

More developers should take note.
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lmao ;D!
 
I can only hope that anyone genuinely upset about all this is under the age of, I don't know, let's say 14...

God help you if you're a fully grown adult and this shit has any degree of importance in your life.
 
BruiserBear said:
The worst thing about Ryan Mccaffrey is that he loves to talk about "fanboys", and how irritating they can be, all the while saying things that are clearly fanboyish himself. His hypocrisy is hilarious sometimes.



I've seen no one complaining the XB1 can run this game at 1080p. What people do get upset about is if the game looks identical on both consoles. The PS4 has a clear hardware advantage, and thus the only reason a game should look identical across both consoles is if the developer simply didn't want to use any of that additional power on the PS4. There is no excuse for that.
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I agree especially about Ryan, he should choose his words more carefully considering he works for the same site as the likes of Greg Miller
 
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