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Seven said:
Multiplatform development gets easier as the generation moves forward and versions of game only get closer. Never further apart. That's how it's always been and it will be the same this time.

If people are getting upset because the Xbox One versions are getting closer and closer to the PS4 versions, then they have a long and miserable road ahead.
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Yeah you're totally right because the PS4 SDK development will stay exactly the same for the rest of the generation while the XB1 SDK catches up resulting in more parity between multiplatform games. Right?

No. There is an obvious difference between the hardware of both consoles, if anything versions will move further apart from each other as this generation matures (it depends on the dev though)
 
Bornstellar said:
It's presumptuous for people to assume that their platform is not being maximized.
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Not in this case. The facts remain that the PS4 is a better machine. So if Destiny runs at full parity between PS4 and Xbox One, then there is excess resources unused on PS4. Destiny looks nice, but it definitely could be improved. I said this earlier though, we won't see the frame rate tested until we see late-game content with huge waves of enemies. It's possible the Xbox One version drops frames there while the PS4 version doesn't.

Personally, I wish they used the excess resources on PS4 to improve the frame rate a bit and improve the LOD on distant objects.
 
flkraven said:
I always find it funny when people chirp Ryan McCaffrey on being pro-xbox. The dude is they host of IGN's Xbox podcast and used to work for Official Xbox Magazine. Don't know what you expect.
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It's probably because you don't see the same level of bias from anyone on the Sony or Nintendo podcasts. On top of that, IGN regularly has Ryan, the pro-xbox guy, review PS4 games (uh... why?).
 
flkraven said:
I always find it funny when people chirp Ryan McCaffrey on being pro-xbox. The dude is they host of IGN's Xbox podcast and used to work for Official Xbox Magazine. Don't know what you expect.
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Yup, he's IGN's Xbox version of Greg Miller. There must be balance.
 
icespide said:
who actually said the "full parity" statement? ign person or bungie person?
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Sounded like it was the bungie person being asked and he put it to rest.

IMHO I think a thread should be made about the June XDK pushing a confirmed game from 900p 30/60 fps to 1080p 30/60 fps. That's the real news here. I also wonder if patches could be made for games already released or am I looking too much into it?
 
I don't think there's any version that's not being maximized. It's not like the PS4 would be running this thing at 60fps or 16xAA regardless of anything. I don't see why Bungie even bothered pushing the resolution bump though, people seem to be complacent with 900p.
 
TheYanger said:
By this logic, which the 'PARITY MEANS NO SALE' crowd embraces, even if a game is PS4 exclusive you shouldn't be buying it unless it utilizes the hardware to 100% of its capacity.

If Destiny looked EXACTLY the same as the current Xbone version on PS4 and was PS4 exclusive, nobody would say a fucking word about how it looks, so the fact that another version existing is a big deal to anyone is absolutely pathetic.



And so the PS4 version, which looks exactly the same today as it did yesterday, is now retroactively diminished by the Xbone version looking better than we knew it did yesterday? There's a reason that people are being called self-entitled and upset. Because the salt over something that quite literally does not affect them is so very real.
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You start a job and you are getting paid $20 an hour. You are happy with this wage. The next day, you find out you actually could have been paid $28 an hour according to the budget, but your boss decided to pay you $20 so you would be at payment parity with a worse employee. Your boss feels that all employees should be paid the same, even if their work output is wildly different.

Are you still just as happy about your $20 an hour pay, or do you feel that you should be getting paid better but aren't because of an arbitrary decision?
 
Two Words said:
I wish they used the excess resources on PS4 to improve the frame rate a bit and improve the LOD on distant objects.
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So did we come to the conclusion that destiny (most soneyhatted game so far) is now joining flocks with the parity pile because is something we assume MS influenced?

Just wanted to know for when I do my homework for school
 
Two Words said:
You start a job and you are getting paid $20 an hour. You are happy with this wage. The next day, you find out you actually could have been paid $28 an hour according to the budget, but your boss decided to pay you $20 so you would be at payment parity with a worse employee. Your boss feels that all employees should be paid the same, even if their work output is wildly different.

Are you still just as happy about your $20 an hour pay, or do you feel that you should be getting paid better but aren't because of an arbitrary decision?
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Using your analogy, wouldn't we have to assume there are only a few employers we could work for?
 
Why are people assuming that if they had spent less time with the Xbox version the PS4 would of hit 60 FPS? So Bungie should just shaft the Xbox version even more and not optimize it to the best of their ability? Just because both are 1080p does not mean the PS4 wasn't optimized. Sure the PS4 version could probably look better, but they wouldn't of been able to pull out a 1080p 60fps version for an open world game like this.
 
Art Vandilay said:
Using your analogy, wouldn't we have to assume there are only a few employers we could work for?
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You're free to leave to another job, just like you are free to go to PC.

Either way, I think the context of my analogy fits. The question is simply about whether or not you still feel just as good about your $20 an hour wage after finding out that you could have been paid 40% more, but your boss simply elected not to do so in order to maintain payment parity.
 
Two Words said:
You start a job and you are getting paid $20 an hour. You are happy with this wage. The next day, you find out you actually could have been paid $28 an hour according to the budget, but your boss decided to pay you $20 so you would be at payment parity with a worse employee. Your boss feels that all employees should be paid the same, even if their work output is wildly different.

Are you still just as happy about your $20 an hour pay, or do you feel that you should be getting paid better but aren't because of an arbitrary decision?
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Apples and Oranges. Here I made a diagram for how stupid this shit sounds:
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In your job example it's the same: Were you being underpaid before? If not then it really doesn't affect you in the least. You're actually just mad that Bungie put a modicum of effort into another version of the game, god forbid. So again, do you guys now torch and pitchfork over any PS4 exclusive that isn't making 'full use' of the hardware? Cause it's the same thing.
 
BananaSprinkles said:
It's probably because you don't see the same level of bias from anyone on the Sony or Nintendo podcasts. On top of that, IGN regularly has Ryan, the pro-xbox guy, review PS4 games (uh... why?).
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And he always states that The Show is undoubtly the best baseball franchise, and he is a self-proclaimed baseball lover. What's your point?
 
Opus Angelorum said:
No, because it's a different generation.
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This is the problem. Games of the same generation aren't supposed to look the same just because "they're of the same generation". Every game should try to maximize every platform it is on as well as possible. Original Xbox games shouldn't try and limit themselves to PS2 capabilities. PS4 games shouldn't limit themselves to Xbox One capabilities.


Imagine if these kinds of restrictions existed in other mediums. Do you see music artists recording their music at a basic level of quality because most people don't have quality speakers to hear the subtly delivered in high quality recordings? Do you see movie makers limiting the quality of their recordings to what people with poor vision can discern? Do you see web sites designing themselves around the smallest phone screen? No. Games should try and be the best they can be on all platforms.
 
Two Words said:
You start a job and you are getting paid $20 an hour. You are happy with this wage. The next day, you find out you actually could have been paid $28 an hour according to the budget, but your boss decided to pay you $20 so you would be at payment parity with a worse employee. Your boss feels that all employees should be paid the same, even if their work output is wildly different.

Are you still just as happy about your $20 an hour pay, or do you feel that you should be getting paid better but aren't because of an arbitrary decision?
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Yeah but, your boss is your boss.
 
Seven said:
If we are talking about price, let's talk about what happened last time around? Or have people forgotten so quickly.

The PS3 launched for an insane price. Those consumers deserved more. Way more. They paid a ridiculous price for the cell processor and all that nonsense. What it led to was an entire generation with the better ports being on the much cheaper xbox 360.
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Actually no. Early PS3 owners have the superior edition of that console. Blu Ray was announced. It had 4 usb ports. Was made in Japan which had the better heat resistance metal. Has other OS by default unless updated. Has backwards compatibility, all while all those features were taken out to make the console cheaper for others who couldn't afford it. Nothing about the OG PS3 wasn't superior.
 
Two Words said:
You're free to leave to another job, just like you are free to go to PC.

Either way, I think the context of my analogy fits. The question is simply about whether or not you still feel just as good about your $20 an hour wage after finding out that you could have been paid 40% more, but your boss simply elected not to do so in order to maintain payment parity.
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Dude, this analogy is ridiculous. First of all, I don't get paid to play games. I also don't typically have fun working. And if you really want to use this analogy, we have to figure out commute time, benefits, chances of a promotion, etc.

I own an XB1 and PS4, but this is just silly.
 
All is fine, as long as devs are not gimping PS4 version.

At the end of the day, Xboen users will get very playable and good looking games, but PS4 GPU will aways be more powerful and devs will have easier time working with unified GDDR5 pool.
 
TheYanger said:
Apples and Oranges. Here I made a diagram for how stupid this shit sounds:
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Not at all. Find me one person that said Destiny looks like shit here. I design an actual legitimate analogy, which you dismiss without a single reason. Then you submit a reddit-style picture that simply adds a quote literally nobody here has said anything close to. Make a real argument.
 
Two Words said:
You start a job and you are getting paid $20 an hour. You are happy with this wage. The next day, you find out you actually could have been paid $28 an hour according to the budget, but your boss decided to pay you $20 so you would be at payment parity with a worse employee. Your boss feels that all employees should be paid the same, even if their work output is wildly different.

Are you still just as happy about your $20 an hour pay, or do you feel that you should be getting paid better but aren't because of an arbitrary decision?
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where have you ever worked?
 
DieH@rd said:
All is fine, as long as devs are not gimping PS4 version.

At the end of the day, Xboen users will get very playable and good looking games, but PS4 GPU will aways be more powerful and devs will have easier time working with unified GDDR5 pool.
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See this the kind of response people should have facts are facts but complaining about this particular game many were perfectly fine with before is almost silly.
 
TheYanger said:
Apples and Oranges. Here I made a diagram for how stupid this shit sounds:
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fwiw, there were plenty of people saying the game should be running at 60fps(or even assumed that it was prior to actually playing it) , based on how it looked back when the PS4 alpha was released last momth. so no it is not just a recent reaction to the game. And there isnt any majority saying it looks like shit. Just that it could potetially have better performance (improved AA, frame rate, etc)
 
Jezehbell said:
Yeah but, your boss is your boss.
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Yeah, so? You don't get to tell your boss what to do. You don't get to tell Bungie what to do. But if you are unhappy about it, you can voice your opinion. And if you feel like you don't like the way things are going, you can elect to not buy the game or get another job.


rjcc said:
where have you ever worked?
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What does that have to do with whether or not you should be happy about your wage in that example?
 
Opus Angelorum said:
No, because it's a different generation.
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Why do you feel entitled to better graphics? Isn't more important that all versions look and play well. They're all locked at 30fps so what's the problem. 360 owners pay the same price as you so why should you have a better copy?
 
TheYanger said:
Apples and Oranges. Here I made a diagram for how stupid this shit sounds:
HTASsqW.png



In your job example it's the same: Were you being underpaid before? If not then it really doesn't affect you in the least. You're actually just mad that Bungie put a modicum of effort into another version of the game, god forbid. So again, do you guys now torch and pitchfork over any PS4 exclusive that isn't making 'full use' of the hardware? Cause it's the same thing.
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His comparison was more apt than yours. Destiny doesn't suddenly look different because of what's going on with XB1. It's a discussion of what circumstances is parity an acceptable objective for a developer.
 
Two Words said:
Yeah, so? You don't get to tell your boss what to do. You don't get to tell Bungie what to do. But if you are unhappy about it, you can voice your opinion. And if you feel like you don't like the way things are going, you can elect to not buy the game or get another job.




What does that have to do with whether or not you should be happy about your wage in that example?
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Alternatively, sabotage your coworkers and move up the corporate ladder.
 
majik13 said:
fwiw, there were plenty of people saying the game should be running at 60fps, based on how it looked back when the PS4 alpha was released last momth. so no it is not just a recent reaction to the game.
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Isn't that down to CPU bottleneck? I'm not sure the extra power was really going to solve that.
 
TheYanger said:
By this logic, which the 'PARITY MEANS NO SALE' crowd embraces, even if a game is PS4 exclusive you shouldn't be buying it unless it utilizes the hardware to 100% of its capacity.
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Everything the "parity means no sale" crowd embraces is "parity means no sale". My logic has nothing to do with it.
My logic is just that devs should aim for the best result they can get out of a certain hardware and not aim for some parity just for the sake of it.

"utilizing 100%" is a meaningless statement.
Uncharted1 used 100% of the Ps3, Uncharted3 used 100% of the Ps3. Its what you get out of the 100%. Its about efficiency.



TheYanger said:
If Destiny looked EXACTLY the same as the current Xbone version on PS4 and was PS4 exclusive, nobody would say a fucking word about how it looks, so the fact that another version existing is a big deal to anyone is absolutely pathetic.
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Actually I was complaining about Destiny on Ps4 before the Xbox news hit.
I was saying that the game doesn't look that demanding(it looks great, but thats because of the artstyle) and Ps4 should be able to run that at 60FPS.
I personally don't care how the XboxOne version looks because I don't have an XboxOne, but if it achieves parity with the Ps4 version that just further proves my point that Ps4 could do more than 1080p 30FPS.

Edit: Here is my post from two days ago: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=121718320&postcount=285
 
Two Words said:
You start a job and you are getting paid $20 an hour. You are happy with this wage. The next day, you find out you actually could have been paid $28 an hour according to the budget, but your boss decided to pay you $20 so you would be at payment parity with a worse employee. Your boss feels that all employees should be paid the same, even if their work output is wildly different.

Are you still just as happy about your $20 an hour pay, or do you feel that you should be getting paid better but aren't because of an arbitrary decision?
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This is beyond stupid.

Your analogy leaves out the most important part of this whole discussion.

Your boss (the developer) is the one doing the work (developing the game).

You aren't doing shit. You're just someone who has a higher level of innate ability than the other guy. Since your boss is the one actually doing the work, he decides to work you both to same level because getting more out of you will mean putting more in himself.

You might want to rethink that one.
 
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