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[Captain Pants]

 

[chubigans]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter



sorry if posted.

sitting= videochat
standing= everything else.

 

[Razor210]

But then how would natal know what your hand is? It needs to see the skeltal structure of your whole body AFAIK.

*completely speaking in non-technical terms*

Couldn't it be all "oh, a face, oh, a hand, well, the hand is connected to some large thing under face, lets see what the hand is doing"?

 

[cgcg]

I'm struggling to understand the difference between Kinect and EyeToy.

For one, Kinect has all the all the marketing whiz bang. REVOLUTIONARY!!

 

[Gattsu25]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter



sorry if posted.

Is it really surprising that IGN did not investigate this before reporting it?

 

[B-Rad Lascelle]

sitting= videochat
standing= everything else.

I'm sure voice recognition works perfectly fine while sitting down.

 

[distrbnce]

You do know that Kinect is a peripheral addition to the Xbox 360 system, which still supports a controller for watching movies.

Are you conceding that that key feature should now be considered irrelevant?

 

[Alx]

How the fuck did something with such an obvious design flaw even get through R&D?

*sigh*

1. it is not a design flaw. It would have been one if they never intended for it to work with people sitting, which is obviously not the case.
2. it's precisely because it's R&D that sometimes, it takes longer to have reliable results.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

Fair enough. I am not happy with Kinect either and I own a 360, but I wanted to show the add-on is not ENTIRELY a clusterfuck.

I don't want to believe that, either I own a Xbox, too, and I really like the voice control stuff. So no trolling intended from my side.

 

[NullPointer]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter

Shhhh. you'll ruin the fun. ;P

 

[flyinpiranha]

This has happend so much this week, its really baffeling.

Well, I click on some of the users and the posts mirror the LULZ KINECT line of mentality. Some of them have been members since I joined and have like 2000+ posts. Guess that's one way to do it.

Maybe if I kicked up my spamming game I'd be a member by now!

 

[JacksUsername]

MS really dropped the ball with Kinect. Also, what about furniture? Does MS expect everyone's living/gaming room to be a completely clear and open space? It just isn't practical or realistic.

A lot of living room setups have a couch right in front of the tv as well. I'm wondering how it will respond to people sitting down behind the person playing a party game. It would be ridiculous to also expect all furniture to be cleared so it doesn't mistake someone shifting positions behind you as part of your movement.

Edit: Good news the sitting down thing is false though. Myth busted!

 

[trejo]

Never in my life have I wished for something to fail spectacularly as much as I do with this Kinect shit. My god.

 

[Lonely1]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter

"@hasanahmad @sixokay Yes you can sit or stand with Kinect, depends on the game or experience."

sorry if posted.

XOR?!

 

[Haunted]

Would defeat the whole purpose of voice navigation and controller free menu navigation, so I'm calling bs for now.

 

[Karma]

sitting= videochat
standing= everything else.

You really want this to be true.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter



sorry if posted.

I'm usually not one to see shit in the pool, but that doesn't sound debunked to me. Sounds like the ability to support sitting has to be accounted for (by programming perhaps?)

Either way, until it's confirmed one way or the other I'll get off my soapbox.

 

[JaggedSac]

Well, Greenberg crushed it.

 

[Razor210]

Well, that was fun.

 

[Medalion]

Kinect allows controllerless control over the 360...but ya gotta stand, otherwise just use a fucking remote to sitdown, fat-ass.

Nothing in life is perfect. That is for the next revision...Kinect 2...Kinect-2-Seat :lol

 

[plagiarize]

i can see it picking out arms even when sat down for things like UI navigation, which is all it needs to track there... but pickout out a body from a soft couch which is going to move as you move around on it, well yeah, that's going to be hard.

but for ui stuff, it *shouldn't* be an issue.

i stress shouldn't.

does that mean you can play driving games with it though? not necessarily.

 

[Lonely1]

Would defeat the whole purpose of voice navigation and controller free menu navigation, so I'm calling bs for now.

It could be a safe to prevent rewinding a movie when you scratch your nose.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

This is partially why gamers get a bad rep...you're seen as lazy fat asses sitting down all the time grasping your controllers. Motion controls like these are for the average user who may be more casual and want to actually stand up and move around to play a game.

not sure if serious....

 

[Mikey Jr.]

WOW if this is true.

Sitting down not working will be a massive disaster. In their promo videos, ti showed a family playing some buzz type game and sitting down. Also, the girl was driving a car sitting down. Hmmm.

I know its promo, but I wonder if MS thinks its a problem and is trying to fix it, or they know about it, but feel its not a problem?

 

[cgcg]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter



sorry if posted.

Yea according to that guy the X360 has a dedicated scaler chip.

 

[Vizion28]

Aaron Greenberg on Natal:

"But because we expect millions and millions of these things to be sold this Christmas, over time developers will know millions of customers have these sensors so they can add functionality to their games."

I'll hold you to your word.

 

[crazygambit]

PS2's, GC's and PS3's do it just fine too. Oh, and Xbox 1.

regular PC DVD drives, regular laptop pc drives... do it just fine, and hell; people have managed to repair their X360's who did that by polishing up some darned part... Microsoft could and should have solved this by now.



And the issue is not just "moving it" most consoles take a fall somewhere along their lives while playing a game, either pushed by the cables, a dog passing by... whatever. and when that happens not only do you want your console to endure it, you also want your darn game to do so.

This, a million times this. I already lost a game to this. Luckily it was one of the crappy games that came with the 360 (maybe Sega Tennis) so I didn't care that much, but I was not pleased.
On Kinect, total deal breaker. I wasn't very excited about it to begin with, but now I simply can't get it, no matter what it offers. There's physically no space for me to stand in front of the TV comfortably as I live in a small one bedroom apartment and do my gaming in bed.

 

[Man]

Someone really needs to get on this and clear up the situation.

Game journos, here's your chance.

 

[Kusagari]

Greenberg didn't debunk shit. He says you can sit or stand but he doesn't say if you can sit on anything that isn't the floor.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Well, Greenberg crushed it.

I'd rather hear it from someone reliable like a developer but fair enough.

 

[Medalion]

So yeah...we'll add additional programming for sitting down IF we sell enough of these things :lol

 

[gofreak]

I'm usually not one to see shit in the pool, but that doesn't sound debunked to me. Sounds like the ability to support sitting has to be accounted for (by programming perhaps?)

Either way, until it's confirmed one way or the other I'll get off my soapbox.

The system and libraries either support it or don't...obviously though some experiences can't be engaged with sitting down.

I presume/hope he's just talking about that - physical limitations on what can be done sitting down - not contrived limitations because of tracking problems.

It would be nice if he made that VERY clear though with no room for various interpretations

 

[PistolGrip]

This man should get an extra bonus for convincing Sony not to go with a 3D camera since he had been researching them over a decade.... looks like a genius now...

 

[chubigans]

You really want this to be true.

Oh brother. :lol

 

[soldat7]

aaron greenberg just debunked it on twitter

Well bam! There it is.

I'd rather hear it from someone reliable like a developer but fair enough.

Or IGN.

 

[lockload]

Kinect allows controllerless control over the 360...but ya gotta stand, otherwise just use a fucking remote to sitdown, fat-ass.

Nothing in life is perfect. That is for the next revision...Kinect 2...Kinect-2-Seat :lol

Get up to speed with the thread before forcing us to endure your crap jokes

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

I bet it was capable of detecting your movements while sitting down before the removal of the chip (by then it was too late for MS to delay/cancel/redesign the product)

 

[No6]

Never in my life have I wished for something to fail spectacularly as much as I do with this Kinect shit. My god.

So given the choice between homosexuals being allowed to marry whom they choose and kinect failing, you'd pick kinect failing?

 

[Alx]

I'm wondering how it will respond to people sitting down behind the person playing a party game.

If they're sitting behind, it's not a big problem : since the camera measures distances, it can use it to decide who is the main player.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

The system and libraries either support it or don't...obviously though some experiences can't be engaged with sitting down.

I presume/hope he's just talking about that - physical limitations on what can be done sitting down - not contrived limitations because of tracking problems.

It would be nice if he made that VERY clear though with no room for various interpretations

His fault for using Twitter.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Yea according to that guy the X360 has a dedicated scaler chip.

If it has a scaling function that works across every single title, which it does, why does it matter if there's a discrete chip to do the job or not?

 

[Graphics Horse]

This man should get an extra bonus for convincing Sony not to go with a 3D camera since he had been researching them over a decade.... looks like a genius now...

There's no downside to using a 3d camera in conjunction with something else, he showed off some cool stuff with a 3d camera.

 

[Pug]

Does anyone actually read the posts in this thread, or are they all trying make themselves look stupid on purpose, when this has already been debunked.

 

[Medalion]

Get up to speed with the thread before forcing us to endure your crap jokes

 

[TheOddOne]

So given the choice between homosexuals being allowed to marry whom they choose and kinect failing, you'd pick kinect failing?

WAT

 

[noah111]

But they showed in multiple videos a family sitting down and navigating the Zune movie menu with his hand, so... if true, small people not supported, handicapped people not supported, possibly black people as well. The fuck. But wait, this is the future of gaming!!

 

[Alx]

I bet it was capable of detecting your movements while sitting down before the removal of the chip (by then it was too late for MS to delay/cancel/redesign the product)

Unless the "magical chip" was more powerful than a 360 CPU (+GPU), removing it should have increased the number of things it can do, not diminished.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Or IGN.

Exactly, two unreliable sources have cancelled each other out, that's cool with me!

 

[chubigans]

OP updated. Bam!

 

[cgcg]

If it has a scaling function that works across every single title, which it does, why does it matter if there's a discrete chip to do the job or not?

A lie is a lie. There is no chip called ana or whatever. If you want to believe him go ahead. No big deal.