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[Askherserenity]

Not in sales.

All this shows is Nintendo fans are more willing to click on polls.

See, this is what I thought IGN readers consisted of.

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Do you prefer Kool-Aid from a bottle or in that powder form?

Kool-Aid is great in any form. What a dumb question.

 

[Replicant]

See, this is what I thought IGN readers consisted of.

Obviously you're wrong. Now, apologize to them and kiss their feet.

 

[massoluk]

Eh. People who think Nintendo stole the show outright or changed E3 forever are on the Kool Aid a bit. They might have had the best showing, but it's more because Sony screwed up their presentation than Nintendo had a crazy great one. What Sony actually had to show, in my opinion, was at least as interesting to me as what Nintendo had to show.

Uh wow. Give some credits where it's due, man. Their presentation was one of the best E3 have had since forever regardless of what Sony did this year.

 

[Usobuko]

Meanwhile, with the press

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...p-nintendo-39-s-e3-2014-press-conference.aspx

 

[The Weeknd]

It's an internet poll. Utterly meaningless.

This so much.

 

[Tookay]

Oh hey unrelated sales talk.

That never happens in a Nintendo thread.

 

[Codeblue]

Strangely enough though, if every NeoGAF member voted in a poll on the front page of this forum, it would have more ballots cast than the IGN poll.

Only if banned members get a vote.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

most of their brand new games are eShop-looking titles being sold at full retail price

I... I... just...

 

[ClearData]

I hope that enthusiasm means more Wii U sales, because that is going to improve the system more than anything by encouraging more releases.

 

[axisofweevils]

It's an internet poll. Utterly meaningless.

Actually, it is meaningful. For starters, it proves the "Nintendo needs to be on stage to attract attention" people wrong.

 

[ReiGun]

Probably won't translate to sales.

But I don't think that especially matters when discussing the poll.

Edit: Wait this is a crazy person thread, never mind, I'm out

But you were already on the right road with that first sentence. Might as well stick around to ride this mother out.

 

[Razlo]

The Treehouse thing was good, but people saying this is a revolutionary event to change E3 forever are on drugs. The press conference is going to die in the next few years regardless of what Nintendo does, and although they had the best stream, they were far from the only company with an all day stream. This just shows they had the best head start.

Yeah Sony had daily streams, but I stayed on Nintendo's stream, because they did it right. Sony had 20 minute or more breaks between games and didn't go as in depth, while Nintendo went more in depth on the games they showed and each break between games was 90 seconds or less.

That's a HUGE difference in execution.

 

[outunderthestars]

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Do you prefer Kool-Aid from a bottle or in that powder form?

So you're choosing to double down on the insults. Interesting move.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Yeah, who cares about what the people who actually buy games think.

with that logic; this is an internet forum, utterly meaningless... and yet, here we are.

Are you completely blind to the change in opinion here on GAF since Mario Kart launched? We've had more "Who just bought a Wii U?" or "Who's buying a Wii U?" threads than I can count, with a TON of Gaffers finally buying into Nintendo's message and vision. If GAF feels that way, you can assume that it's a good representation of gamers in general all around the world.

People who actually buy games are by and large not buying the Wii U or its games.

GAF is not equivalent to a nonscientific poll on IGN.

GAF is NOT a good representation of gamers in general all around the world.

Nothing has changed for Nintendo since E3. They are still selling very few consoles and too few games.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Who gives a shit about whether it translates to sales? I'm really doubtful that E3 performance has a huge impact on sales at all except in very rare instances. I kind of feel like everyone who says stuff like that is a fanboy for one of the other consoles or just doesn't like Nintendo for some reason. Are you so upset that Nintendo won an IGN poll that you feel the need to go on to everyone about how that poll wasn't really meaningful?

 

[AniHawk]

Not in sales.

All this shows is Nintendo fans are more willing to click on polls.

especially on ign, which has a well-known nintendo bias.

 

[Laconic]

Good for Nintendo.

It would be quite a nice change of pace if we could have a thread with a positive slant about Nintendo NOT immediately devolve into a Doom 'n Gloom Martin-esque "Feast for Trolls".

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I give it 2.5 pages.

 

[Askherserenity]

Guys, really didn't make the thread to talk about sales. Of course Wii U sales are doing horrible. We all know this.

Made the thread just to discuss the change of public (internet) perception of Nintendo and how it is slowly changing.

 

[StoopKid]

Best Games
Best Conference
Best Overall Showing



Are you completely blind to the change in opinion here on GAF since Mario Kart launched? We've had more "Who just bought a Wii U?" or "Who's buying a Wii U?" threads than I can count, with a TON of Gaffers finally buying into Nintendo's message and vision. If GAF feels that way, you can assume that it's a good representation of gamers in general all around the world.

 

[culafia]

So you're choosing to double down on the insults. Interesting move.

I was posting a mild response to someone who straight up called my opinion stupid. Hold your horses.

 

[Replicant]

especially on ign, which has a well-known nintendo bias.

Unlike you, I'm not an expert on IGN's biases. However, this was an open poll.

 

[James Scott]

Guys, really didn't make the thread to talk about sales. Of course Wii U sales are doing horrible. We all know this.

Made the thread just to discuss the change of public (internet) perception of Nintendo and how it is slowly changing.

Yeah, not sure what sales have to do with anything here...especially since we haven't seen June's NPD yet. It's more of a long term thing, showing that perhaps people will start caring about the system, which would lead to better sales once the games come out.

Like the video said, they all had a pretty good showing, its just that people appreciated Nintendo's new approach which I don't think people can argue against and some good and fun looking games.

 

[Oersted]

Was a fun, self-aware show. And yeah, give us more Treehouse thingies.

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

Are you completely blind to the change in opinion here on GAF since Mario Kart launched? We've had more "Who just bought a Wii U?" or "Who's buying a Wii U?" threads than I can count, with a TON of Gaffers finally buying into Nintendo's message and vision. If GAF feels that way, you can assume that it's a good representation of gamers in general all around the world.

My eyes just rolled out of their sockets.

 

[JDSN]

Its funny to see people dismissing a poll as unimportant while at the same time having such a salty reaction towards the result.

 

[Glittering Crux]

Eh. People who think Nintendo stole the show outright or changed E3 forever are on the Kool Aid a bit. They might have had the best showing, but it's more because Sony screwed up their presentation than Nintendo had a crazy great one. What Sony actually had to show, in my opinion, was at least as interesting to me as what Nintendo had to show.

Most of Nintendo's showing looks like quantity over quality. All of their new franchises were C-tier at best, most of their brand new games are eShop-looking titles being sold at full retail price, and their game reveal method was awkward and annoying (a 45 minute Direct followed by a 30 minute hunt of find the news, with one reveal or two the next day max). They didn't commit to pushing all of their announcements all at once, and they didn't commit to spreading them all out -- they had an bad in-between.

The Treehouse thing was good, but people saying this is a revolutionary event to change E3 forever are on drugs. The press conference is going to die in the next few years regardless of what Nintendo does, and although they had the best stream, they were far from the only company with an all day stream. This just shows they had the best head start.

Well I've had my sodium intake for the week.

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What a joke. Nintendo's new IPs looked fine visually given what the hardware is capable of. Games like Bayonetta 2 looked great and ran at a better framerate than almost every other game shown at E3. Nintendo provided a constant stream of gameplay footage instead of teaser trailers and pre-recorded videos.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Guys, really didn't make the thread to talk about sales. Of course Wii U sales are doing horrible. We all know this.

Made the thread just to discuss the change of public (internet) perception of Nintendo and how it is slowly changing.

You claimed that there was a "sea change" in Nintendo's favor.

According to sales data, the public perception of Nintendo is not changing.

You don't get to claim that Nintendo is turning everything around, then insist that no one bring up the single quantifiable factor which actually determines whether your claim has any merit.

 

[FZZ]

Unlike you, I'm not an expert on IGN's biases. However, this was an open poll.

It's AniHawk man. He was being sarcastic.

 

[Tookay]

Unlike you, I'm not an expert on IGN's biases. However, this was an open poll.

He's being sarcastic.

 

[Hatchtag]

I didn't care much for their actual presentation (Splatoon didn't impress me until the tree house, some parts lingered on for too long, and using the same game as an opener and closer is a bit sad), but everything else they did more than made up for it.

 

[10k]

as usual IGN readers are way smarter than those who write for it

If that's true then some of the ign comments I've read suggest IGN writers are way below average IQ.

 

[cafemomo]

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Do you prefer Kool-Aid from a bottle or in that powder form?

I like buying a bag of gummy worms and rolling them up in kool aid powder

 

[Aaronrules380]

You claimed that there was a "sea change" in Nintendo's favor.

According to sales data, the public perception of Nintendo is not changing.

You don't get to claim that Nintendo is turning everything around, then insist that no one bring up the single quantifiable factor which actually determines whether your claim has any merit.

Sales data was never going to turn around in a day. E3 is just when games are announced, not when they're released. Perception =/= Sales

 

[Askherserenity]

You claimed that there was a "sea change" in Nintendo's favor.

According to sales data, the public perception of Nintendo is not changing.

You don't get to claim that Nintendo is turning everything around, then insist that no one bring up the single quantifiable factor which actually determines whether your claim has any merit.

Sorry if it read that way. But I meant a change in some of the public perception of Nintendo. Nothing else.

 

[AniHawk]

According to sales data, the public perception of Nintendo is not changing.

what sales data

 

[mechphree]

Will the Wii U do better then the Dream Cast? Who knows. My mind isn't even on Wii U right now, it's on Nintendos next console. It's good they are getting momentum back though.

 

[illmatic22]

I thought all of the Big 3 had solid shows. But I'd give Nintendo the edge.

Best Games
Best Conference
Best Overall Showing



Are you completely blind to the change in opinion here on GAF since Mario Kart launched? We've had more "Who just bought a Wii U?" or "Who's buying a Wii U?" threads than I can count, with a TON of Gaffers finally buying into Nintendo's message and vision. If GAF feels that way, you can assume that it's a good representation of gamers in general all around the world.

Yeah, that means nothing. Wii U will still finish a distant third.

 

[jediyoshi]

It's an internet poll. Utterly meaningless.

Is this supposed to be opposed to a poll in literally any other context, because el oh el

 

[Laconic]

Well I've had my sodium intake for the week.

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What a joke. Nintendo's new IPs looked fine visually given what the hardware is capable of. Games like Bayonetta 2 looked great and ran at a better framerate than almost every other game shown at E3. Nintendo provided a constant stream of gameplay footage instead of teaser trailers and pre-recorded videos.

Xenoblade... totally a low of the show. It hurt me just seeing it.

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1st quarter 2015 please

 

[Tookay]

what sales data

The June NPD that hasn't been released yet, silly.

 

[rokkerkory]

now if only those that voted for nintendo would put their wallet where their vote is

 

[Brainfreeze]

If this poll tells us anything, it's the direction of E3 and potentially other trade shows. That's all.

 

[Squalor]

Haha, Nintendo and its fans will take any kind of "win" at this point, I suppose.

 

[Sandfox]

People who actually buy games are by and large not buying the Wii U or its games.

GAF is not equivalent to a nonscientific poll on IGN.

GAF is NOT a good representation of gamers in general all around the world.

Nothing has changed for Nintendo since E3. They are still selling very few consoles and too few games.

Those other people don't even watch E3 either way lol. This is just a poll showing that people on IGN really liked what Nintendo did so it obviously isn't going to reflect a large amount of the gaming community or sales.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Sales data was never going to turn around in a day. E3 is just when games are announced, not when they're released. Perception =/= Sales

I never claimed or in any way inferred that sales data would turn around in a day, nor did I say anything to even remotely indicate a belief that games would be released at E3.

Your response has absolutely no relation to what I wrote, and even taken on its own is nothing but platitudes.

 

[Busaiku]

what sales data

It's still doing terribly in Japan.

 

[Cbajd5]

I was posting a mild response to someone who straight up called my opinion stupid. Hold your horses.

You couldn't understand the obvious sarcasm despite it being spoilered and with a heart (<3) at the end? Which was only said because you compared anyone who thought Nintendo did better than Sony or Microsoft at E3 to a group that committed murder-suicide just because this poll disagreed with your opinion?

Because that seems like the opposite of mild to me.

It's still doing terribly in Japan.

PS4's still doing worse, and the Xbox One hasn't even been released there, so that's kind of pointless.

 

[illmatic22]

It's still doing terribly in Japan.

As are all other consoles.

 

[AniHawk]

It's still doing terribly in Japan.

thank god for that

 

[Replicant]

It's AniHawk man. He was being sarcastic.

He's being sarcastic.

.....

Which was my point. I don't know IGN's biases but I doubt it was leaning towards Nintendo. However, it was an open poll for all to partake.