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IGN: Vita is destined to sell better than 3DS

Here are some predictions of mine. They seem pretty safe, maybe there is a small risk factor involved because you never know but they are more grounded in reality than IGN's.

3DS will outsell Vita.

Both 3DS and Vita will be successes.

3DS will sell less than DS and I am too uncertain on how good Vita will do in relation to PSP.
 
As was pointed out in the last 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, Nintendo made as much money (in revenue) off Pokemon alone on the DS as the entire App store has made in its entire existence.

3DS will have Pokemon.
 
Takao said:
It's been a while, but I don't remember the PS2 game looking like this:

http://i.imgur.com/M3ycC.jpg[img][/QUOTE]
oh cmon, you can't take junior coders forcibly porting ps2 code to 3ds as an argument.

oh wait missed the context, yeah mgs3d looks bad
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D.Lo said:
As was pointed out in the last 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, Nintendo made as much money (in revenue) off Pokemon alone on the DS as the entire App store has made in its entire existence.

3DS will have Pokemon.
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Wow, really? Why doesn't Nintendo bring up these facts to their investors?
 
Grampa Simpson said:
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I skimmed through the whole thread just to see if someone posted this. Great job, GAF.
As for this thread, Vita>3DS confirmed... because you know, IGN clearly called it. They're always right, right? I mean, they were spot on about how Sony will support the PSP longer than Nintendo will support the DS. XD
 
I think it's daft to think VITA could ever outsell the 3DS, or any Nintendo handheld (past or future). They own IP's that have incredible selling power and could sell regardless of quality. This article is horrible, but it's from IGN, who wasn't expect that?

I just hope the Vita is able to do better than the PSP in terms of selling more software. The aspect of playing the VITA online (with voice chat) intrigues me the most.
 
Lethality said:
I skimmed through the whole thread just to see if someone posted this. Great job, GAF.
As for this thread, Vita>3DS confirmed... because you know, IGN clearly called it. They're always right, right? I mean, they were spot on about how Sony will support the PSP longer than Nintendo will support the DS. XD
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The XD tells me this is supposed to be sarcasm, but Sony supporting the PSP longer than Nintendo the DS, is kind of true ... This year Sony launched a new PSP model (E1000) and still has Sony published games yet to be released (Invizimals: The Lost Tribes, Eyepet & Friends, Over My Dead Body Portable, and probably a few more) with likely a few more (MLB) for 2012.
 
Fantastical said:
Wow, really? Why doesn't Nintendo bring up these facts to their investors?
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Well yes, I forgot the thread, but the numbers were crunched properly as I recall. There was other stuff like NSMB alone having made over 10 times Angry Birds.
 
The DSPhat gave my hand cramps after 30 minutes of use. Those bottom corners were so sharp I'm surprised they didn't issue a safety warning about it.
 
neptunes said:
I think it's daft to think VITA could ever outsell the 3DS, or any Nintendo handheld (past or future). They own IP's that have incredible selling power and could sell regardless of quality. This article is horrible, but it's from IGN, who wasn't expect that?

I just hope the Vita is able to do better than the PSP in terms of selling more software. The aspect of playing the VITA online (with voice chat) intrigues me the most.
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Only mooks capitalise brand names that aren't acronyms. You're not a mook, are you?
 
Takao said:
The XD tells me this is supposed to be sarcasm, but Sony supporting the PSP longer than Nintendo the DS, is kind of true ... This year Sony launched a new PSP model (E1000) and still has Sony published games yet to be released (Invizimals: The Lost Tribes, Eyepet & Friends, Over My Dead Body Portable, and probably a few more) with likely a few more (MLB) for 2012.
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Kirby Mass Attack and the new Layton game were published by Nintendo, that's one of their bigger franchises and one of the most popular series on DS.
 
Takao said:
It's been a while, but I don't remember the PS2 game looking like this:
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Takao, you of all people posting pictures that clearly have an agenda behind them. I'm shocked.

Why don't you try posting shots of the remake rather than the port, and actually try putting proper resolution shots up.
 
AceBandage said:
Ok then.
Answer us all this.

What is going to push the Vita into people's hands?
What piece of software are people going to line up to buy at $250+$40?

The Vita is a nice piece of hardware, no one is arguing that. But the PSP was also a nice piece of hardware. It blew the DS out of the water in terms of design and features.
However, that really doesn't mean a thing if there's nothing people want to play.
You can go on and on about the UI and the touchscreens and rear touch pad and yadda yadda.
But what is the game that people will buy a Vita for?
Because, right now, I can't see anything being a smash hit.
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Well, it's not one game wich will sell one system.. That's a myth.
I'm assuming the single game wich will sell the systems in the west, are CoD on the go.
This is the first handheld device wich can do first person shooters basically just as good as the consoles, out of the box.

Alot of PS3-users will also join in for more of their favourite new franchises, Uncharted, Resistance, LBP, Modnation, aswell as the old and loved ones like Hot Shots, Lumines and Wipeout.

I also expect the competition with powerfull Phones and Pad-devices, will also have some benefits instead of only the doom and gloom for handhelds, i.e. a popular franchise like Ininity Blade can be ported to the PSV, and if they take advantage of the extra features there, they can maybe perhaps charge more, while it might need more work to get to the HD-consoles.

But the main thing is the total sum of the games.
Gravity Daze seems to be the new game most western journalists who've had hands-on time look most forward to.
 
Truth101 said:
Takao, you of all people posting pictures that clearly have an agenda behind them. I'm shocked.

Why don't you try posting shots of the remake rather than the port, and actually try putting proper resolution shots up.
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Eh, I got that image from this thread (it was the first one that popped up when I searched for MGS Snake Eater 3D E3 2011). I admit, I did grab the one I thought looked the worst, lol.

As for the second portion, I imagine you mean The Naked Sample? Well, that's obviously no longer what MGS3D is, and it would've been weird for me to post a screenshot from that given I said it looked bad based on the E3 2011 build, not the E3 2010 build.

Who knew cows were so salty.

TriangleOfCorruption said:
Kirby Mass Attack and the new Layton game were published by Nintendo, that's one of their bigger franchises and one of the most popular series on DS.
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Kirby is a notable final release. Layton (and Super Fossil Fighters) are just kind of outliers from slow localization processes. Both will likely not see any more notable first party published games past these final releases, though I can see Sony pushing out a few budget release things next year (they did release a PS2 game this year after all). I can't really see anything in the DS's future from Nintendo.
 
To follow up my last point, I could't find the relevant posts/posters who pointed this out in a recent 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, so re-did the numbers myself.

Nintendo sold 65 million+ Pokemon games on the DS alone. Maybe even over 70 million at this point, those are months old figures from soon after the B&W launch (we'll find out in a week at Nintendo's EOQ report). 65 million sold, $50 per copy, that's $3.25 billion in confirmed revenue.

The entire App store (all apps, not just games) has made a less than $4 billion in revenue including Apple's own software and their 30% cut since inception 3 years ago. With their cut and own software removed from the equation, leaving ~$3 billion, all apps' combined sales on all iDevices have made less than Pokemon on the DS has made for Nintendo. And this doesn't even begin to look at profitability, where Nintendo is likely in another stratosphere.

Anyone who listens to those muppets at Rovio claiming Angry Birds is bigger than Mario is a moron and deserves to lose their investment dollars.

TL;DR - Pokemon alone is worth more than the entire Apple ecosystem for third party developers.

Regarding the Vita, everything wrong with the 3DS is ampified in the Vita. Both have 'PSP' style problems. If the 3DS is in trouble, it wil be in more trouble.
 
Well I'm glad it wasn't designed to sell worse than the 3DS. Not that I could actually care if it sold better or worse, as long as I get my games.
 
Jaded Alyx said:
3DS has no Pictochat.
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It's getting Super Pictochat.
D.Lo said:
To follow up my last point, I could't find the relevant posts/posters who pointed this out in a recent 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, so re-did the numbers myself.

Nintendo sold 65 million+ Pokemon games on the DS alone. Maybe even over 70 million at this point, those are months old figures from soon after the B&W launch (we'll find out in a week at Nintendo's EOQ report). 65 million sold, $50 per copy, that's $3.25 billion in confirmed revenue.

The entire App store (all apps, not just games) has made a less than $4 billion in revenue including Apple's own software and their 30% cut since inception 3 years ago. With their cut and own software removed from the equation, leaving ~$3 billion, all apps' combined sales on all iDevices have made less than Pokemon on the DS has made for Nintendo. And this doesn't even begin to look at profitability, where Nintendo is likely in another stratosphere.

Anyone who listens to those muppets at Rovio claiming Angry Birds is bigger than Mario is a moron and deserves to lose their investment dollars.

TL;DR - Pokemon alone is worth more than the entire Apple ecosystem for third party developers.

Regarding the Vita, everything wrong with the 3DS is ampified in the Vita. Both have 'PSP' style problems. If the 3DS is in trouble, it wil be in more trouble.
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Might want to crunch those numbers again.
 
D.Lo said:
To follow up my last point, I could't find the relevant posts/posters who pointed this out in a recent 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, so re-did the numbers myself.

Nintendo sold 65 million+ Pokemon games on the DS alone. Maybe even over 70 million at this point, those are months old figures from soon after the B&W launch (we'll find out in a week at Nintendo's EOQ report). 65 million sold, $50 per copy, that's $3.25 billion in confirmed revenue.

The entire App store (all apps, not just games) has made a less than $4 billion in revenue including Apple's own software and their 30% cut since inception 3 years ago. With their cut and own software removed from the equation, leaving ~$3 billion, all apps' combined sales on all iDevices have made less than Pokemon on the DS has made for Nintendo. And this doesn't even begin to look at profitability, where Nintendo is likely in another stratosphere.

Anyone who listens to those muppets at Rovio claiming Angry Birds is bigger than Mario is a moron and deserves to lose their investment dollars.

TL;DR - Pokemon alone is worth more than the entire Apple ecosystem for third party developers.

Regarding the Vita, everything wrong with the 3DS is ampified in the Vita. Both have 'PSP' style problems. If the 3DS is in trouble, it wil be in more trouble.
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It's $35 per game (except HG/SS, which is $40), and Nintendo probably gets less than half of that in actual revenue.
 
D.Lo said:
To follow up my last point, I could't find the relevant posts/posters who pointed this out in a recent 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, so re-did the numbers myself.

Nintendo sold 65 million+ Pokemon games on the DS alone. Maybe even over 70 million at this point, those are months old figures from soon after the B&W launch (we'll find out in a week at Nintendo's EOQ report). 65 million sold, $50 per copy, that's $3.25 billion in confirmed revenue.

The entire App store (all apps, not just games) has made a less than $4 billion in revenue including Apple's own software and their 30% cut since inception 3 years ago. With their cut and own software removed from the equation, leaving ~$3 billion, all apps' combined sales on all iDevices have made less than Pokemon on the DS has made for Nintendo. And this doesn't even begin to look at profitability, where Nintendo is likely in another stratosphere.

Anyone who listens to those muppets at Rovio claiming Angry Birds is bigger than Mario is a moron and deserves to lose their investment dollars.

TL;DR - Pokemon alone is worth more than the entire Apple ecosystem for third party developers.

Regarding the Vita, everything wrong with the 3DS is ampified in the Vita. Both have 'PSP' style problems. If the 3DS is in trouble, it wil be in more trouble.
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LOL at Nintendo getting 50 dollars in revenue for every sale of Pokemon.

I think you might want to put your thoughts back in the crock pot and let them stew for another hour or two.
 
Reuenthal said:
Here are some predictions of mine. They seem pretty safe, maybe there is a small risk factor involved because you never know but they are more grounded in reality than IGN's.

3DS will outsell Vita.

Both 3DS and Vita will be successes.

3DS will sell less than DS and I am too uncertain on how good Vita will do in relation to PSP.
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Outside of hardware design Vita has more going against it doing well than the PSP did.

I'd feel pretty comfortable predicting that both systems will sell less hardware and software than their predecessors.
 
D.Lo said:
To follow up my last point, I could't find the relevant posts/posters who pointed this out in a recent 'Nintendo is doomed' thread, so re-did the numbers myself.

Nintendo sold 65 million+ Pokemon games on the DS alone. Maybe even over 70 million at this point, those are months old figures from soon after the B&W launch (we'll find out in a week at Nintendo's EOQ report). 65 million sold, $50 per copy, that's $3.25 billion in confirmed revenue.

The entire App store (all apps, not just games) has made a less than $4 billion in revenue including Apple's own software and their 30% cut since inception 3 years ago. With their cut and own software removed from the equation, leaving ~$3 billion, all apps' combined sales on all iDevices have made less than Pokemon on the DS has made for Nintendo. And this doesn't even begin to look at profitability, where Nintendo is likely in another stratosphere.

Anyone who listens to those muppets at Rovio claiming Angry Birds is bigger than Mario is a moron and deserves to lose their investment dollars.

TL;DR - Pokemon alone is worth more than the entire Apple ecosystem for third party developers.

Regarding the Vita, everything wrong with the 3DS is ampified in the Vita. Both have 'PSP' style problems. If the 3DS is in trouble, it wil be in more trouble.
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This could be one of the worst sales/numbers posts I've seen on GAF yet.
 
Doesn't Nintendo own Pokemon and publish it? Granted they don't get the entire $35 majority of it does go to them does it not? (Not that I agree with his crazy post).
 
BurntPork said:
It's $35 per game (except HG/SS, which is $40), and Nintendo probably gets less than half of that in actual revenue.
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Oops, sorry, I'm in Australia, DS games are $60 here, I just quickly assumed $50 in the US. And I was reverse engineering a point I saw made convincingly elsewhere (that all iPhone games combined have made less money than Pokemon on the DS).
 
Angelus Errare said:
Doesn't Nintendo own Pokemon and publish it? Granted they don't get the entire $35 majority of it does go to them does it not? (Not that I agree with his crazy post).
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They might get half of that number D.Lo has rattling around in his head.
 
Shin Johnpv said:
I'll give you it's polygon count could be better, that said though it is on a much smaller screen than what you'd play a PS2 game on. You can get away with lower polygon counts. I'd rather put resources into lighting, and textures.



I think trying to say the Xbox had superior shader performance may be pushing things a little. It's been awhile since I tried out Doom 3 or Chronicles of Riddick on the Xbox, but I seem to remember them having a REALLY hard time trying to maintain 30fps. Maybe not Doom 3 but I remember Chronicles of Riddick having a really shitty framerate.
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It doesnt matter if it has one or two modern features. The overall impression is clearly psp-xbox hardware. Ie last gen hardware.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Doesn't Nintendo own Pokemon and publish it? Granted they don't get the entire $35 majority of it does go to them does it not? (Not that I agree with his crazy post).
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The Pokemon Company owns Pokemon. Nintendo is 1/3 of the Pokemon company. Game Freak has a third as well. The last 1/3 is Creature Inc. which is a subsidiary of Nintendo. Who knows how that money is split after the costs of marketing, and production.
 
Uncle Rupee said:
If you look at more recent screens (from September, on IGN) you'll see that for the most part the game looks just as good if not better than the PS2 version.
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Looks a lot better than earlier screens but not as good as the ps2 original.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Doesn't Nintendo own Pokemon and publish it? Granted they don't get the entire $35 majority of it does go to them does it not? (Not that I agree with his crazy post).
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There's just so much more to it then "the game retails for $35 so Nintendo gets X amount after retail takes a share." Marketing costs alone for Pokemon games is also probably more than all app store games combined as well. Where does that come into play? Or (I'm assuming) with that 65 million copies of Pokemon moved on DS, it includes spinoffs which are done by outside companies. (Chunsoft and Ambrella). What share do they get? The fact that all Pokemon games are retail based also brings in the logistics, shipping and inventory costs as well. Something no app store game has to worry about.
 
Revenue comparisons are used to demonstrate the size of the App Store and why Nintendo is would not be served by moving a significant chunk of their development into smartphone gaming.

D.Lo's example, shoddy figures aside, is... I don't even know.
 
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