Mr.Shrugglesã
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GG republicans for not doing your job when registering people.
Ironically enough, especially considering she supports republicans, I tend to believe the story that she didn't understand voting eligibility requirements and was not attempting premeditated fraud.
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There is, however, at least one flaw in that story: Ms. Ortega was a registered Republican.
She voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 election. In 2014 she voted for our current attorney general, Ken Paxton, Mr. Birdsall said. And guess what? Hes the one responsible for prosecuting her.
8 years. And she voted republican. Just imagine.
From the article:Isn't 8 years a bit excessive?
AndThe punishment was strikingly harsh for an offense that usually merits far less jail time, if any. A second fraudulent ballot case in metropolitan Fort Worth ended in 2015 with probation...
Ms. Ortega's case is unusual not just for its harshness but for its circumstances. Many fraud convictions that draw prison sentences — and some that do not — involve clear efforts to influence election results. Texas prosecutors won prison sentences for four men who moved into a hotel in 2010 to claim residency so they could sway a local election. A woman in Brownsville, Tex., was placed on five years'probation for casting five absentee ballots under different names in elections in 2012...
From the articleIt's been a while since I registered, but I'm pretty sure it asks you on the form if you're both a US Citizen and if you're 18 or over.
So either she lied and said she's a citizen and got in the books, or she was honest and said that she wasn't and got in the books anyway and decided to run with it.
Ms. Ortega, a native of Monterrey, Mexico, came to Texas with her mother when she was an infant. More than a decade later, the family was scattered after the mother was arrested and deported. Two brothers born in Dallas automatically gained citizenship; Ms. Ortega became a permanent resident and gained a green card, her brother Tony Ortega, 35, said in an interview.
As a Dallas County resident, she registered to vote and later cast ballots in elections in 2012 and 2014, her lawyer, Mr. Birdsall, said. While that was illegal, there was no attempt to break the law, he maintained: Some government forms allow applicants to declare that they are permanent residents, but the voting registration form asks only whether an applicant is a citizen.
Lacking the permanent resident option, he said, she ticked the ”citizen" box. When the county later mailed her a registration card, he said, she believed she ”was good to go."
Ms. Ortega moved to neighboring Tarrant County and again registered, but this time checked a box affirming that she was not a citizen. When her application was rejected in March 2015, the trial showed, she called election officials and told them that she had previously voted in Dallas County without difficulty.
Told that she could not vote unless she was a citizen, she asked for another application, and returned it with a check in the box affirming citizenship. That raised questions, and law enforcement officials arrested her on fraud charges...
It's been a while since I registered, but I'm pretty sure it asks you on the form if you're both a US Citizen and if you're 18 or over.
So either she lied and said she's a citizen and got in the books, or she was honest and said that she wasn't and got in the books anyway and decided to run with it.
8 years + deportation. Gonna miss out on her kids growing up and then will likely be shipped off to another country after serving her sentence.8 years. And she voted republican. Just imagine.
Ms. Ortega moved to neighboring Tarrant County and again registered, but this time checked a box affirming that she was not a citizen. When her application was rejected in March 2015, the trial showed, she called election officials and told them that she had previously voted in Dallas County without difficulty.
Told that she could not vote unless she was a citizen, she asked for another application, and returned it with a check in the box affirming citizenship. That raised questions, and law enforcement officials arrested her on fraud charges..
I could still see that as just being confused. Why tick no for citizenship in the first place if she knew what she was doing?and here is the problem with the "Didnt know better" idea:
She was told and then willingly checked the box to allow her self to vote after being told no.
Still bullshit regarding the jail time.
Also to note the ethics involved here are gold standard:
I could still see that as just being confused. Why tick no for citizenship in the first place if she knew what she was doing?
Ms. Ortega, a native of Monterrey, Mexico, came to Texas with her mother when she was an infant. More than a decade later, the family was scattered after the mother was arrested and deported. Two brothers born in Dallas automatically gained citizenship; Ms. Ortega became a permanent resident and gained a green card, her brother Tony Ortega, 35, said in an interview.
As a Dallas County resident, she registered to vote and later cast ballots in elections in 2012 and 2014, her lawyer, Mr. Birdsall, said. While that was illegal, there was no attempt to break the law, he maintained: Some government forms allow applicants to declare that they are permanent residents, but the voting registration form asks only whether an applicant is a citizen.
Lacking the permanent resident option, he said, she ticked the ”citizen" box. When the county later mailed her a registration card, he said, she believed she ”was good to go."
Ms. Ortega moved to neighboring Tarrant County and again registered, but this time checked a box affirming that she was not a citizen. When her application was rejected in March 2015, the trial showed, she called election officials and told them that she had previously voted in Dallas County without difficulty.
Told that she could not vote unless she was a citizen, she asked for another application, and returned it with a check in the box affirming citizenship. That raised questions, and law enforcement officials arrested her on fraud charges...
8 years is 7.9999999999999... years too much for this shit. what the fuck.
Even if you think 8 years is too much, how can you not see illegal voting as a serious offense?
She voted for Mitt Romney over Barack Obama in the 2012 election. In 2014 she voted for our current attorney general, Ken Paxton," Mr. Birdsall said. ”And guess what? He's the one responsible for prosecuting her."
That still sounds to me like it is possibly someone who doesn't understand the distinction between "resident alien" and "citizen" in terms of voting rights. If the first time was a mistake and no one corrected her, I can see believing that for voting purposes she was supposed to be considered a citizen. When you've been granted the right to do something for years, I can see it taking some time and thought to decide that was somehow a mistake and you shouldn't have had that right all those years.and here is the problem with the "Didnt know better" idea:
She was told and then willingly checked the box to allow her self to vote after being told no.
Still bullshit regarding the jail time.
I definitely agree that 8 years and deportation is way overkill.
On the other hand, she's a Republican so I won't be losing much sleep over it.
I was waiting for this part.
Far-right websites have seized on Ms. Ortegas conviction as proof that Mr. Trump is right about rampant fraud and efforts by Democrats to steal the November election.
Nah, this is all sorts of BS. I don't care whom she voted for, I may not agree with her politically but damn is the punishment waaaaaaaaay out of the range for the crime committed.
You slimey piece of shit, Sharon.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
And before anyone says it: Why should I feel bad for her? This is exactly what she voted for. She got what she wanted. If anything, I should be happy for her. Unless, of course, she voted for the tough on crime, heavy sentencing, fuck immigrants party because she thought it would only affect OTHER brown people. Or, you know, the blacks. If that's the case then no, I don't feel happy for her. But I would straight up laugh in her face.
They are both pretty life altering. One takes you out of society for a while but otherwise takes care of your basic needs, and one permanently removes you from the society you've been accustomed to and you have to start over in an unfamiliar world, possibly without any social support. I'd rather not have to choose which is worse.I'd say eight years in prison would destroy a normal person's life. Deportation is nothing compared to that.
Fuck that Sharon bitch. This lady broke the law yes, she deserved punishment yes but not 8 years. Not 8 years behind bars missing out on her life and not being able to watch her kids grow up. That's just not right.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
And before anyone says it: Why should I feel bad for her? This is exactly what she voted for. She got what she wanted. If anything, I should be happy for her. Unless, of course, she voted for the tough on crime, heavy sentencing, fuck immigrants party because she thought it would only affect OTHER brown people. Or, you know, the blacks. If that's the case then no, I don't feel happy for her. But I would straight up laugh in her face.
The people they want to believe their bs8 years is Bullshit. A fine and probation at the most. Voter fraud is like .00008% of voting.
Who the fuck is this sending a message to?
Fuck that Sharon bitch. This lady broke the law yes, she deserved punishment yes but not 8 years. Not 8 years behind bars missing out on her life and not being able to watch her kids grow up. That's just not right.
And to all the folks saying "serves her right because she voted GOP" like wtf? You are the problem. Folks like you on both the left and right are the problem.
Case in point:
Foh with this post.
Funny how anyone actually found doing this is a Republican.
Party of projection.
It actually saddens me how legal immigrants seem to have so much disdain for illegal immigrants. I mean surely they realize that not everybody has the same opportunities and that some people are poor and starving in Mexico and they are just looking for a better life? I mean this woman seemed so determined to stick it to them that she got herself thrown in jail over it. I mean yes I'm presuming her motives, but still.