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I'm torn between buying a new PC or a PS4

Saving big on steam sales requires you to have a 9-12 month buffer on new games. A similar buffer on PS4 will mean that you'll be paying about €25 instead of what it would have cost on a steam sale, say €7.50. there will obviously be exceptions to this but my point is that it will be a long time before you recoup the increased cost the PC has over PS4.

And there's PS+

I'd go for a PS4 (I have both btw)
Great thing about gaming on the PC is that you don't always have to play 'new' games. You can spend vast amounts of time playing slightly older, *dirt cheap* games and wait for sales for the bigger, newer games. And you can mod a lot of these older games, play them at 1080p(or downsample them at higher resolutions) and 60fps.

Plus, you can usually always find quite good deals on newer games on the PC. I got Dark Souls 2 Black Armour edition pre-ordered for £20, for instance.
 
I'm all for PC, but let's not be dishonest, here.
At least at this point in time, he WILL pay more if he goes for a PC.
Of course, I agree that he's going to compensate that initial investment in the long run, but that's another argument.

Not being dishonest. I build one in January for 440 € with roughly 2.8 Tflops which is far ahead the PS4. OP wants to spend even more so the difference would be even bigger.
 
PC, maybe a PS4 in 1/2 years when it has a good library if you're interested in their exclusives, as it is you will play a few games and stare at the console after a month.
 
Go for a PS4 right now. Cheaper, powerful, great controller, PS+. Also if you have the extra cash pick up either a SSD (at least 500gb), a hybrid drive, or a 7200rpm to replace the PS4's stock 5400rpm HDD.
 
PC has Titanfall, Dark Souls 2, South Park and Reaper of Souls all coming out within the next couple months. PS4 has inFamous. The decision is easy.
 
ps3 came out 2006 and it still plays ac3. how many of you pc gamers still use a pc from 2006 and never had to buy any parts? op is worried about cost. he'll have to buy pc parts down the.line before this gen ends.

such a bad post in every way

my pc is from early 2009 (and 550 euros) and was 4x faster than a ps3 and I turned it into something faster than an xbox one for 160 euros back in 2011

Being able to upgrade is an amazing advantage, not a downside

Any decent pc he builds now will start out faster than a ps4 and will remain faster throughout its lifetime.
Last time the ps3 was pretty high end when it released (and ahead of the pc market architecture wise, as was the xbox 360) , this time you already start out with a 2 year lead on the hardware side on pc so the situation is reversed.

This misinformation and bad advice in every thread , I don't get it, what does it get you to mislead people asking for help or advice?


And as for ac3, ignoring that there's benchmarks for crysis2 etc showing pcs from 2006 running the game at similar settings and fps (both run like shit, just like the ac games do) as that little dance has played out in every single thread like this and NEVER gets aknowledged as goalposts are endlessly moved around by the same few posters
AC games on last gen run at like 20-25 fps without texture filtering and with loads of pop in and stutter, they offer a really shitty gameplay experience (ac3 was especially notorious for running poorly)

yet you mention running ac3 on that old ps3 as if it's somehow desirable?
What if I told you there was a 75 euro upgrade to make your ps3 run ac3 (and your other games) at smooth fps and higher settings ? Imagine for a second if there was such an addon (think n64 ram pack but on steroids)
People would lose their shit and praise the heavens at something so unthinkable happening.
That is exactly what 'replacing parts' will do 5 years down the line with that pc, any cheap part will crap on the old parts performance wise
Yet you play it off as a disadvantage

madness
Standards and expectations (BC, upgradeability, pricing, community support, options and features etc etc) are soooooo different between the console market and the pc one yet it is never aknowledged in these arguments

I'm all for PC, but let's not be dishonest, here.
At least at this point in time, he WILL pay more upfront if he goes for a PC.
Of course, I agree that he's going to compensate that initial investment in the long run, but that's another argument.


Yes but it's like buying a phone on a 2 year plan and over its lifetime you pay much, much more

Pay 200-300 euros more for the pc now ,get better hardware and the paywall alone will more than make up for that difference and in the later years of the ps4's life you'll just keep paying and paying arbitrary money that would otherwise have gone to an upgrade for the (already superior hardware from day one) pc
Then you look at how much the actual games cost and you'll save enough to buy a brand new pc in 5 years from that alone as an avid gamer

I'm painfully aware of how much gaming on my ps3 cost me over the years compared to the pc and how big a difference there was in what I got in return for my money, and that was BEFORE the paywalls and with ps3 being a heavily subsidised console
It got worse , not better with the new consoles

I know you've said these same things yourself earlier but they bear repeating
 
I love my PS4, but if I was in the same situation and had to pick one I'd go for PC now and get a PS4 when there are more wicked exclusives available. I don't even care about the power bit at the moment (Sony first party has a way of making one forget about that), but at this point the PC seems like a much better idea.
 
PC, because ... PC.

(EU-GER prices - 1 example)
Code:
155€  i5-4440 4x 3.10GHz
170€  R9 270x 2GB DDR5 *
060€  8gb kingston 1333 ram 
060€  mainboard (e.g. ASRock H77Pro4-M)
055€  psu (e.g. thermaltake smart 630w 80+)
070€  2 TB HDD
045€  case 
018€  dvd-drive (do you even need one?)
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633€  (you could easily go cheaper)


* just to get a glimpse ...
Code:
XBO        16 ROPS; 1,32 TFLOPS 
PS4        32 ROPS; 1,84 TFLOPS
GTX 660    32 ROPS; 1,88 TFLOPS
R9 270x    32 ROPS; 2,69 TFLOPS
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investing some monies into a SSD, or HDD with SSD-Memory would be awesome though
 
PC is always a good value.

I just don't think it's a great time to buy one right now, with Steam Machines just out the door, and Oculus still in dev kit mode.

Wait a year, there could be a sea change, the PC hardware will settle into a new pattern.. then it will be a good time to buy. Otherwise you could get stuck with some part or dumb limitation that turns out to be important for the coming gen.
 
I chose to build a PC when I was faced with the same decision earlier this year. I'm waiting for the PS4 library to get bigger and use the PC to catch up on some games in the meantime.
 
Perhaps buy a 1080p TV, and then get a PC and use it with that?

I mean, you don't have to use a monitor if it's that insanely expensive (although, 1000 euro? I got a 24" for around 150 USD, are monitors that expensive in Europe?)

Although ultimately it depends on whether you're willing to ditch PS4 exclusives for PC exclusives.
 
I would personally go with the PC. There are no exclusive killer apps for the PS4 at this time and by the time one comes out there may be a price drop. You'll get the best multiplatform games on the PC along with some amazing indies that are only on PC. Plus, Steam sales.
 
After visiting some PS4 game threads recently, I have to chuckle when PC gamers are still the ones referred to as graphics whores.
 
I would go with PC.Maybe you will spend more up front but it will return to you with cheaper game prices and no online subscriptions.
Almost infinite backward compatibility and upgrade posiibility are major pros in my opinion.
It is really cool to be able to play your old favorites downsampled and in highest quality possible as well as newest games and all this on one machine.
Steam is awesome ,there is massive amount of games and you will be sure that you always have best version of your game.
If you care for clean IQ and steady framerate now and four years from now PC is your only option IMO :)
 
I was in a similar situation OP. I had around 600 bucks in savings that I was going to put towards a new console, a year subscription to xbox live or ps+ and a game or two but I realized that almost all the new games coming out were multiplatform and would be hitting PC in addition to the tons of other pc games I already enjoyed playing but wouldn't mind seeing them at a better frame rate and also the upcoming pc exclusives from indies.

I had a first gen i7 setup that I thought was still pretty good and a GTX680. I replaced it with a 4770k haswell cpu, a new mobo and 16gigs of corsair dominator ram and even though I didn't change my video card, my frame rates went up dramatically in all my games.

It's going to take a good 8~10 or so 1st party exclusive titles I think before I jump on a new console. I'm not invested at all into the PS+ or xbox multiplayer ecosystem so there was no group of buddies motivating me to buy one console or the other.

Simply watching each console from the sidelines though seems to point to PS4 having a stronger offering or will have a much nicer lineup in a year or so unless MS pulls out all the stops at E3 but based on some tweets I'm seeing, Sony is going balls out at E3 this year.

Either way, I'm very happy with my decision to upgrade my PC.
 
PC for the long haul.

Most games nowadays go multiplatform and you have a much wider variety in PC, not to mention prices.

Edit: Also mods. Glorious mods.
 
If you think you'll have both a gaming PC and a PS4 at some point, I'd say PS4 now, PC later. Reason being is PS4 specs will never change. The price might go down a bit in a year or two but it's still the same hardware. On the other hand if you buy a gaming PC in two years, graphics cards will be cheaper and perform much better. You'll have the best of both worlds. PS4 for the exclusives and PC for everything else. So far multiplatform games on PS4 have been pretty close to their PC counterparts, but I don't think that will be true in 2 years.
 
Now a PS4 would be much cheaper, and it already proven it can run very good looking games at 1080p 60fps

I think i missed this game, which ps4 game(s) are very good looking that are 1080p and solid 60fps?

NBA is 1080p right? BF4 runs well but thats 900p or so.
 
PC is always a good value.

I just don't think it's a great time to buy one right now, with Steam Machines just out the door, and Oculus still in dev kit mode.

Wait a year, there could be a sea change, the PC hardware will settle into a new pattern.. then it will be a good time to buy. Otherwise you could get stuck with some part or dumb limitation that turns out to be important for the coming gen.
Steam Machines aren't gonna change anything. They're just pre-built PC's without Windows basically, in funky shapes and sizes.

The Oculus Rift isn't gonna be out for a little while still. VR is super exciting, but there's still tons of great reasons to have a gaming PC besides just that. And a decent midrange card is hardly going to be insufficient.

The fact that the PC has an instant, *massive* library of games to play no matter when you buy makes anytime a good time to get into PC gaming.

I mean, once the Oculus Rift comes out, they will likely be working on a newer, higher resolution version that will require more power still. You cant just always wait around forever because there will always be something cool coming along.
 
i'd go with a PC. you're likely gonna have a PC of some sort anyway for work, internet, and whatever ...so might as well spend a bit more to make it game worthy.

any extra cash you spend on a PC over a console will be evened out over time with free online gaming and cheaper games.


both would be good to have, but i'd start with the PC.
 
go PS4, its cheaper for the moment and will do well against pc for the next few years, and it will have exclusives. If you get a vita too you always have the remote play option too.

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The next few years in terms of PC graphics will change rapidly, I would wait on a PC.
 
OP: Unless there is a first party exclusive you cannot wait for, I would do a PC now and PS4 later.

Yes building the pc from scratch is more expensive than ps4. But it can also play most future multiplats better and has a ton of inexpensive games now. Burn through a good chunk of the steam library while you wait for the PS4 library to fill out. Hell will probably be a price drop by then as well.

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The next few years in terms of PC graphics will change rapidly, I would wait on a PC.

That is how it has been for last 20 years. There is never a "good time" to build a system.
 
PC is always a good value.

I just don't think it's a great time to buy one right now
You can build such an argument at almost any single point over the past 2 decades.

I think it's less applicable than ever now. Any good overclockable quad core CPU will easily last you the entire generation (by simply virtue of being so much faster than the consoles), and it's not like there is a massive switch in periphery or interconnection standards coming up.
 
PC
-Backwards compatibility so you can get games from the Ps3 era and Ps4 era and even go way back in time getting oldies
-Steam Sales, Bundle Sales etc.
-Easily upgradeable
-You can still plug it on your TV via HDMI and with Big Picture mode on Steam or wireless Keyboard and Mouse you can be set.
 
No brainer then, PS4. Any games on PC exclusive to there are usually Indies, really low quality graphics Indies like Swapped, antechamber and so on.

Whereas you not only have Sony exclusive s but console exclusive s like Gtav and dragons dogma as examples from last gen.

You can't really be this dense. When's the last time you even looked at PC exclusives? 1990? You've got 24 years to catch up on.
 
If I were in your shoes, I'd buy a ps4 for now and save up the money for maxwell (Nvidia's newest gpu). Your PC should be good enough to play older games that are often on sale on steam well enough.

If you're going to end up with both in the future anyways, waiting for maxwell will net you a better PC for the money. Besides, by the time a high-end maxwell comes out, Intel's broadwell might be out as well. And since it's impossible to upgrade CPUs these days because Intel likes to change the socket all the time, it's always good to start out with the latest cpu.
 
Go with PC. Games are much cheaper and there are much more games to choose from. Get a PS4 in 3 or 4 years once its library has grown and price has dropped.

After visiting some PS4 game threads recently, I have to chuckle when PC gamers are still the ones referred to as graphics whores.

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I always find this question tough to answer for people, it really does depend on so many different factors. I lean more towards you getting a PS4 for the price and excellent exclusives. Yet PC gaming software wise with Steam sales is insane value, better graphics for the most part obviously and free online.

Edit: I supposed I answered my own question then. Go PC.
 
buy a PC for gaming. it's so far and away the best choice that i'm confident that you don't need me to make an argument for it. it's just common sense at this point.

buy a console if its manufacturer has locked enough desirable first party titles behind its hardware and software paywalls that you're willing to pay the price of entry to access them.

unless the form factor and sometimes complexity of PC gaming is poison to you, anyone suggesting a console for even just gaming purposes is misinformed or disingenuous. when you factor in the other benefits of a PC beyond gaming, it just gets silly.
 
Great thing about gaming on the PC is that you don't always have to play 'new' games. You can spend vast amounts of time playing slightly older, *dirt cheap* games and wait for sales for the bigger, newer games. And you can mod a lot of these older games, play them at 1080p(or downsample them at higher resolutions) and 60fps.

Plus, you can usually always find quite good deals on newer games on the PC. I got Dark Souls 2 Black Armour edition pre-ordered for £20, for instance.

I agree, most of the PC games I play are a little older (I have that 9-12 mth buffer I spoke about) and it's a brilliant place to get bargains, however, in the recent winter sale on PSN I picked up Ni No Kuni for €9. And just the other day I bought a digital copy of Lego Marvel on PS4 for €22 from amazon.com ($30 USD). So the cost gap between PC and PS4 games this gen will be a lot smaller than it was last gen I think.

(where did you pre-order DS2 for £20 btw?)
 
PC is a much better investment for the long term. steam library, better deals thru humble bundles, GOG, green man gaming, amazon, etc. best ports and PC exclusives.

it's a no brainer, unless you really love linear cinematic shooters.
 
PS4's library looks barren for the foreseeable future, and many of the games it will add are ones you admittedly don't care for, not to mention its multiplayer fees and near nonexistent multimedia functions in comparison to your other option. Just upgrade or get a new PC until there's a few games worth playing on the console.
 
It depends on the type of games and the amount you play.

If you play A LOT, PC will be far cheaper due to steam/origin sales, not even a contest. Also if you have varied taste, the PC will offer a greater breadth of games - controllers work great with a PC, but so does a KB/M allowing whole new genres.

Since you have PS+ and a Vita, this helps to offset the steam sale aspect a bit and remote play adds a nice bonus.

Now is not the best time to buy a PC - reason being is that in about 2 years you will be able to get a gfx card which will destroy a PS4 for all crossplatform. I know midrange cards are already there on paper...but this is roughly the timeframe I noticed in the past for "real world" as developers tap into the consoles.

Disclaimer - Personally I am heavily biased towards PC right now, even though I have bought nearly every console since 1995. The last two years of steam sales and the fact that gfx cards I bought years ago for half a PS4 cost are still playing everything at 1080p with ease. Coupled with having an HTPC which has games synced via steam and consoles don't do much outside of the ever rare exclusive titles.
 
get a new PC, just do it on a budget. you could go purely amd route and come out with a nice system that will be comparable in cost and power to a ps4. A new PC will provide you with more immediate satisfaction right now than a console. I'm telling you this and I bought a launch day ps4. I also have PS+, ps2, ps3.

if you do have PS+ already take the money you save building a budget PC and get a used ps3 as well. I love mine, and it gets more play than ps4 right now, easily.

-edit by comparable I mean something between xbone and ps4.
 
Uh, what ?

The PC I bought in 2010 cost me around 1000€. It ran all the games in very high until The Witcher 2 and Crysis 2/3, and I could still run them at high. Maybe it was playing in 1680*1050 though.

what spec? If it cost you 1000 euro a few years ago, its possible that you could only need to upgrade the GPU and maybe RAM. That'd be much less expensive.

And you could play on your 720p TV, no particular need to get a new monitor or 1080p TV - in fact that just means you can save even more money on a more affordable GPU as you have less pixels to push
 

The beauty of this .gif is that I'm not quite sure if you're laughing with me or at me. lol

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The next few years in terms of PC graphics will change rapidly, I would wait on a PC.

Does this fact prohibit you from buying almost anything electronic that improves year after year. In the world where people upgrade cell phones, in droves, every year it baffles me that this would be a concern for anyone.
 
I agree, most of the PC games I play are a little older (I have that 9-12 mth buffer I spoke about) and it's a brilliant place to get bargains, however, in the recent winter sale on PSN I picked up Ni No Kuni for €9. And just the other day I bought a digital copy of Lego Marvel on PS4 for €22 from amazon.com ($30 USD). So the cost gap between PC and PS4 games this gen will be a lot smaller than it was last gen I think.

(where did you pre-order DS2 for £20 btw?)
Its not surprising to see cheaper last-gen games once next-gen hits. I bought Ni No Kuni as well for like £7 on that sale.

But next-gen prices are higher than ever. You can name that one example of Lego Marvel, but overall, that is an exception, not the rule.

And I got DS2 from SimplyCDKeys. They had a sale a while back for £25 and there was a 20% off promotion at the same time you could apply to make it £20.
 
You can't really be this dense. When's the last time you even looked at PC exclusives? 1990? You've got 24 years to catch up on.

Its weird, PC gamers are really quick to insult people who disagree with them but never bother offering up an argument. These games being what exactly? MMO's? On balance are you really arguing consoles are lacking exclusives when compared to what PC offers up? I am a fan of the strategy games but beyond that I wouldn't feel like I would miss out by not upgrading to the latest PC.

If so, then I disagree, but please continue.
 
There's absolutely no sense in picking up a PS4 right now when the library is so small.

There are many reasons to pick the PC here, but it's common sense when it's the system you'll actually have games to play on.
 
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