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[Sentenza]

Okay then. I use GameFly and Redbox, something that can't be done on the PC. I get launch day games and as long as I beat them in a month, don't pay more than $6. This includes all AAA $50-60 games on the PC.

Of course, this becomes less of a value the longer out from launch you go (price per month is always $12/month, whereas games drop in price quickly on the PC).

This is not an occasional savings. This is an every month, every game thing where I never spend more than $6 for a game. Redbox is also incredible, as I beat Beyond in a day and paid $1.86 for it.

That's like the old "I can buy and resell my games to buy and resell other games".
It's sort of great, I guess, if you don't care about long term ownership of your games. Which I do.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

That's like the old "I can buy and resell my games to buy and resell other games".
It's sort of great, I guess, if you don't care about long term ownership of your games. Which I do.

Moving goal posts is fun. That was not your original point at all. And if you are offline more than a week, you can´t play your games on Steam. So much for ownership.

 

[koolio76]

AMD R7 260X is a 2 TFlops card with TruAudio that costs £90-100. That'd be entry-level for console equivalent gaming. The R7 265 will beat that.

R9 270/GTX660 would be the begging of mid-range? They're only about £30 more expensive.


Games go for less on PC too. Less than £55 anyway.

wont the ps4 perform like a pc gpu with 2.0-2.3tflops (maybe more) since its a more close platform and software uses less system resources unlike windows

 

[Nzyme32]

Moving goal posts is fun. That was not your original point at all. And if you are offline more than a week, you can´t play your games on Steam. So much for ownership.

Hang on I want in on this, I share my 400 odd library of games with my cousin in new zealand via family share on steam. I also have a few friends around the UK that i do it with as well, albeit if I'm using a game, they can't use it, but that is a sacrifice I'm happy with for buying games that I find disposable for £5.

I guess it all depends on what you value. For me, steam sales and family sharing have made preowned irrelevant, especially since any digital product can't ever really be preowned, it remains brand new with all it's content. Each to their own, but I'd argue the sales have increased my purchasing habits also, as I can explore more games that I would otherwise be unsure about. Especially at the oh so sweet spot of £3.99.

 

[Sentenza]

And if you are offline more than a week, you can´t play your games on Steam. So much for ownership.

Well, I'm not and... Uhm? Yes, I could.

 

[flyinpiranha]

8GB DDR3 1600, Phenom II X4 965.

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That was top of the line back then at $250 (I think) just for the processor wasn't it? 8GB DDR3 back then wasn't all that cheap either. Probably looking at the price of a PS4 before even buying other parts like PSU, GPU, case, KB/M, etc .. (but you might have had some of those parts anyway).

Just saying, kind of a bad example because you spent that much PLUS the $300 upgrading the card and whatever else you needed to build the PC. And those parts will start showing their age in a couple years, which will be about 6 years since you bought the original.

PS4 will still play all the games in 6 years too, just like your system plays all the games from a few years ago.

That's like the old "I can buy and resell my games to buy and resell other games".
It's sort of great, I guess, if you don't care about long term ownership of your games. Which I do.

I don't care. And the packed stacks of games on ebay, Gamestop, and the fact publishers are trying to stop used games sales tells me that not too many people give a shit about it either.

To each his own, some are collectors and some are not. I assume most are not because of the used games sales biz. I love Gamefly. Some games I just don't enjoy even though everything pointing to them being a "I should". Loved Demon's Souls, couldn't get into Dark Souls. Really glad I could just return to Gamefly. Or games like Zelda: ALBW, great game, enjoyed it. Will never play it again, returned to Gamefly. What about maybe having some old college buddies over and we want to relive our Beer Tekken days? Redbox, play, return.

That's the type of freedom I enjoy from that. Everybody has their own story but being able to resell my stuff is huge as I don't have shelves of 'stuff'.

PS4 is already outclassed by mid-range PC GPUs. And it doesn't have anything worth playing at the moment.

So, buy a PC and then a PS4 in a couple of years when it builds up its library.

Maybe it's because I don't have as much time. But the 'build up the library' thing always struck me as odd. It's not like having 40 games means I can play faster. It does add to the selection but if their are 5 or 6 games out there that I want to play, that can last me for a few months. I won't even be buying InFamous at launch because I still have to finish Knack (Gamefly), ACIV, Killzone, Need for Speed, and that's not even counting portable systems or PC. But, like above, every story is different. I like getting in early so I can play games as they launch or close to around that time.

 

[Nzyme32]

And if you are offline more than a week.

That's not true, that used to happen a few years back because those older games still used the old client.blob registry. As far as valve are concerned they say you can do it indefinitely. Haven't tried it for that long but it worked for the over a month at one point

 

[Tain]

Family Sharing is nice but not a full used/borrow replacement since it's per-library and not per-game. The convenience factor might offset that, though, depending.

 

[jblank83]

PS4 is already outclassed by mid-range PC GPUs. And it doesn't have anything worth playing at the moment.

So, buy a PC and then a PS4 in a couple of years when it builds up its library.

 

[perfectsil]

And if you are offline more than a week, you can´t play your games on Steam.

that's not even true.

 

[Einbroch]

Hang on I want in on this, I share my 400 odd library of games with my cousin in new zealand via family share on steam. I also have a few friends around the UK that i do it with as well, albeit if I'm using a game, they can't use it, but that is a sacrifice I'm happy with for buying games that I find disposable for £5.

I guess it all depends on what you value. For me, steam sales and family sharing have made preowned irrelevant, especially since any digital product can't ever really be preowned, it remains brand new with all it's content. Each to their own, but I'd argue the sales have increased my purchasing habits also, as I can explore more games that I would otherwise be unsure about. Especially at the oh so sweet spot of £3.99.

But, hey, this is why there are things called pros and cons. I just don't appreciate people dismissing either side because it isn't important to them. I have no desire to replay games or owning them. I don't have the time nor actual want to replay my games. But I can understand how some people want that option and want to own games.

People instantly dismiss consoles because of amazing PC sales when they don't consider renting. People instantly dismiss PC because of not having a physical copy and want that feeling of ownership, even though I would bet some of them just put their games on the shelves/drawers and never touch them again. Sharing is much easier on consoles when you're in proximity to your partner. Sharing is much easier on Steam when you're not. PC gaming is great because you can customize your own experience. Some people don't like the complication. Some people hate keyboard controls, some love them. And so on.

It's the instant dismissal of the other as garbage that gets me. This is not directed at you, just a random blog post.

 

[Nzyme32]

Family Sharing is nice but not a full used/borrow replacement since it's per-library and not per-game. The convenience factor might offset that, though, depending.

Yeah, ideally you'd want it to mimic physical for lending. I suppose the reason for curtailing that is the ease at which you could repeatedly lend games since it's all digital and online. Shame.

 

[MogCakes]

Buy a PS4, gradually build yourself a new PC.

 

[danwarb]

wont the ps4 perform like a pc gpu with 2.0-2.3tflops (maybe more) since its a more close platform and software uses less system resources unlike windows

I doubt it. Windows doesn't use a lot of GPU resources and the consoles are much, much weaker outside of the GPU. PCs are getting more and more efficient now too. We have pretty much the same hardware across the systems, so optimisation for console should apply everywhere?

It doesn't matter though, if your favourite games are console exclusive (some of mine are), or you don't want to bother with a PC.

 

[Nzyme32]

But, hey, this is why there are things called pros and cons. I just don't appreciate people dismissing either side because it isn't important to them. I have no desire to replay games or owning them. I don't have the time nor actual want to replay my games. But I can understand how some people want that option and want to own games.

People instantly dismiss consoles because of amazing PC sales when they don't consider renting. People instantly dismiss PC because of not having a physical copy and want that feeling of ownership, even though I would bet some of them just put their games on the shelves/drawers and never touch them again. Sharing is much easier on consoles when you're in proximity to your partner. Sharing is much easier on Steam when you're not. PC gaming is great because you can customize your own experience. Some people don't like the complication. Some people hate keyboard controls, some love them. And so on.

It's the instant dismissal of the other as garbage that gets me. This is not directed at you, just a random blog post.

I agree. I think the value of replayability is different on a PC anyway. Generally, most users will have a game and not be running it maxed out. But later, you upgrade your PC and maybe decide to go back to it, and the experience is like a whole new game sometimes.

Another problem is that its all cultural to the platform, on pc no preowned is just accepted now, like kindle books, and itunes music. The difference is that steam is loved so much for it's friendly pricing that almost encourages experimenting with trying new games. itunes and kindle just gradually brought prices back up to the same as physical and low and behold, piracy skyrocketed.

But yeah, people need to maintain objectivity and try and empathise with how someone else like to experience stuff and why that is

 

[Raydeen]

Well that was easy.

http://www.nexusmods.com/games/?

Next...

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I don't think you will be disappointed either way. PC has amazing games that play their best but the PS4 will have some great exclusives. If money is an issue then PS4 is a no brainer.

 

[-tetsuo-]

By the time the PS4 has a strong enough exclusive library to be worth it you will have had least a year worth of multiplats that run/look better on your PC. It will maybe have a price drop by then as well. It is a no brainer to me.

 

[WarpathDC]

PC

Occulus Rift.

Consoles r ded.

Wow, still this shit in here.


It really comes down to preference. You could probably buy a ps4 and upgrade your rig to play titanfall and by an xb1 controller under the cost of buying a really souped up rig (Titanfall can run on about anything) and play ps4 on your new monitor. I would love a hefty PC personally but I find that it tends to be a game of cat and mouse with the new tech constantly. I am biased towards consoles as they are my preference but I do not discount the fact that games are so damn cheap on steam.

 

[forrest]

But, hey, this is why there are things called pros and cons. I just don't appreciate people dismissing either side because it isn't important to them. I have no desire to replay games or owning them. I don't have the time nor actual want to replay my games. But I can understand how some people want that option and want to own games.

People instantly dismiss consoles because of amazing PC sales when they don't consider renting. People instantly dismiss PC because of not having a physical copy and want that feeling of ownership, even though I would bet some of them just put their games on the shelves/drawers and never touch them again. Sharing is much easier on consoles when you're in proximity to your partner. Sharing is much easier on Steam when you're not. PC gaming is great because you can customize your own experience. Some people don't like the complication. Some people hate keyboard controls, some love them. And so on.

It's the instant dismissal of the other as garbage that gets me. This is not directed at you, just a random blog post.

This is a fair point and certainly sounds like a more open conversation than you typically get on gaming forums, so I appreciate anyone willing to see both sides of the fence.

I think in this particular situation the largest factor I would be considering is the size of the gaming library you will have access to. The PS4 doesn't offer backwards compatibility and the actual amount of games available is a drop in the bucket compared to what's available to play on a pc.

In my opinion, give the PS4 some time to mature, offer a more robust catalog of unique experiences and then invest in the platform. In the meantime build a new pc and take advantage of the huge library of continuously compatible titles that are available. Ultimately the decision is yours and I have a hard time believing you would be upset with either option!

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Hang on I want in on this, I share my 400 odd library of games with my cousin in new zealand via family share on steam. I also have a few friends around the UK that i do it with as well, albeit if I'm using a game, they can't use it, but that is a sacrifice I'm happy with for buying games that I find disposable for £5.

I guess it all depends on what you value. For me, steam sales and family sharing have made preowned irrelevant, especially since any digital product can't ever really be preowned, it remains brand new with all it's content. Each to their own, but I'd argue the sales have increased my purchasing habits also, as I can explore more games that I would otherwise be unsure about. Especially at the oh so sweet spot of £3.99.

I value the ability of borrowing games, trading games and selling games, because it gives me the freedom to do what i want with the games i bought with my money. There are also good sales on consoles as well. Not as good as Steam.

I want to play my own shared games, but they're in use. What do I do?

As the account holder, you may always access and play your games at any time. If you decide to start playing when another user is already playing one of your games, he/she will be given five minutes to either purchase the game or quit playing.

Can all Steam games be shared?

No, due to technical limitations, some Steam games may be unavailable for sharing. For example, titles that require an additional third-party key, account, or a subscription in order to play cannot be shared between accounts.

Family sharing has its limitation, besides publishers can opt out family sharing anytime they want for any reason they want
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/familysharing/discussions/0/540731691042635699/ and not 2 people can use the same account simultaneously which is different from consoles since you can install a game and lend your disc to friend and both play the game.

That's not true, that used to happen a few years back because those older games still used the old client.blob registry. As far as valve are concerned they say you can do it indefinitely. Haven't tried it for that long but it worked for the over a month at one point

I stand corrected on this.

 

[forrest]

I value the ability of borrowing games, trading games and selling games, because it gives me the freedom to do what i want with the games i bought with my money. There are also good sales on consoles as well. Not as good as Steam.


Family sharing has its limitation, besides publishers can opt out family sharing anytime they want for any reason they want
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/familysharing/discussions/0/540731691042635699/ and not 2 people can use the same simultaneously which is different from consoles since you can install a game and lend your disc to friend and both play the game.

I stand corrected on this.

I wasn't aware that game consoles let you play installed games without a disc in the drive. That's pretty awesome, is this something new to PS4 and XB1? I'm just gaming with my PC, Wii U, 3ds and PS3 these days.

 

[SniperHunter]

PC is an ultimate gaming platform that all gamers should own. Just make sure your PC is a bit future proof. Buy a gpu and cpu that will last you 4-5 years, don't buy a cheap shitty machine. Save $900-$1200 and buy a maching with i5 4670k, a medium end 7970 level card and 6-8 gigs of ram. You will be able to enjoy all games on max settings with good AA and you won't have to worry about future games.

 

[1138]

I actually doubt I will get back into consoles, as PC gaming is much more convenient. You don't have to worry about backwards compatibility, you don't have to worry about loosing save files due to your console dying, you can costumize graphic options, you can use mods, you generally don't have to pay for online gaming, you have access to a huge library, PC games generally retail at 30-40% less than their console counterparts at launch, you have access to multiple digital stores with huge discounts and you can costumize your rig. There is simply nothing that consoles can offer me except for a couple of tempting exclusives. And the exclusives I considered must haves during the PS3's life-cycle amounted to less than 5 games. My current PC is a rig from 2009 (i5 CPU @2.67Ghz, 4GB ram, HD 7700 GPU (received this for free as a replacement after my HD4890 died after 3 years) still works like a charm, and I have no intention, or need, to replace it in the near future.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

If you can afford the initial fee, PC is the best choice over everything. Plus games are cheaper and no online fees means you save money in the longrun. And it's also a PC that does pretty much anything else you want.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

And I stand to it.

Good. I shall remember this in the future.

Even pretending to ignore how you have probably no insight about the contractual agreements behind these games (for all you know Lily Bergamo could be a very case of moneyhatting, for instance) I should probably point that these are titles that aren't even on PS4 yet.
They are barely announced for it, which means a lot can change since they are released.

So you're implying some of these are money hatted. Oh boy, you shall see soon.

Two of those are launch window titles (one is launch day). Lily Bergamo is dated for 2014. The latter 3 are quite a long way off indeed.

I don't think you have even just a basic grasp of what "trend" means.
You don't go from 0 to 100% in one step, you go through a gradual increase in adoption rate.

No I don't think you know what a trend is. Your extrapolating. You think a dozen ports of old Japanese games are going to lead to the introduction of Japanese franchises like the ones I have listed. I can understand if it were the same franchise like RE and MGS however I have no idea how people think a Naruto port would result or even imply that Tales will be coming to the PC.

Then drop it, because there isn't any "BUT". That's the whole point.

I was never arguing the increase in Jp Pc support. I was arguing with the guy that was insinuating that the increase in "JP PC support" will somehow result in the OP not missing a considerable amount of JP games this gen by going PC only.

 

[Einbroch]

PC is an ultimate gaming platform that all gamers should own. Just make sure your PC is a bit future proof. Buy a gpu and cpu that will last you 4-5 years, don't buy a cheap shitty machine. Save $900-$1200 and buy a maching with i5 4670k, a medium end 7970 level card and 6-8 gigs of ram. You will be able to enjoy all games on max settings with good AA and you won't have to worry about future games.

See, this does not apply to all gamers. If you like big Japanese RPGs, you're going to be disappointed with the PC. If you don't want to build your own PC, you'll be frustrated with PC (or pay a premium for a premade system). If you like owning physical games, you won't like PC.

PC is great for some, but it's not for all. Gamers are not all the same individual.

 

[SniperHunter]

I actually doubt I will get back into consoles, as PC gaming is much more convenient. You don't have to worry about backwards compatibility, you don't have to worry about loosing save files due to your console dying, you can costumize graphic options, you can use mods, you generally don't have to pay for online gaming, you have access to a huge library, PC games generally retail at 30-40% less than their console counterparts at launch, you have access to multiple digital stores with huge discounts and you can costumize your rig. There is simply nothing that consoles can offer me except for a couple of tempting exclusives. And the exclusives I considered must haves during the PS3's life-cycle amounted to less than 5 games. My current PC is a rig from 2009 (i5 CPU @2.67Ghz, 4GB ram, HD 7700 GPU (received this for free as a replacement after my HD4890 died after 3 years) still works like a charm, and I have no intention, or need, to replace it in the near future.

plus as you get old, you really don't have time for multiple platforms. But yea a strong beefy pc is the ultimate gaming platform.

See, this does not apply to all gamers. If you like big Japanese RPGs, you're going to be disappointed with the PC. If you don't want to build your own PC, you'll be frustrated with PC (or pay a premium for a premade system). If you like owning physical games, you won't like PC.

PC is great for some, but it's not for all. Gamers are not all the same individual.

You think PS4 will get a lot of JRPG's? So far PS3, 3DS and Vita (For P4 Golden) seem like the better choice.

BTW I have a PS4 already, I chose to get one over PC since I don't play games very often and I love infamous

 

[TEH-CJ]

Wait another 2 years to buy a PS4. There is nothing to play on the damn thing. Buy a decent PC for now as there are an abundance of games you can play.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I wasn't aware that game consoles let you play installed games without a disc in the drive. That's pretty awesome, is this something new to PS4 and XB1? I'm just gaming with my PC, Wii U, 3ds and PS3 these days.

I doubt you can that with the PS4, i dunno i don´t have the console yet. I dunno about the Xbone either.

 

[Einbroch]

You think PS4 will get a lot of JRPG's? So far PS3, 3DS and Vita (For P4 Golden) seem like the better choice.

BTW I have a PS4 already, I chose to get one over PC since I don't play games very often and I love infamous

The "Tales of" series has been basically confirmed. Kingdom Hearts, too. NIS and Atlus are going to be on the Playstation line of machines as well.

But we're only comparing PS4 and PC. I personally love my Vita and 3DS more than anything else right now. So many great RPGs on both.

 

[1138]

plus as you get old, you really don't have time for multiple platforms. But yea a strong beefy pc is the ultimate gaming platform.

Agreed. I think I played 5 titles in 2013, 4 AAA GotY 2013 contenders and KotoR2 (restored version). KotoR2 managed to impress me far more than those 4 AAA 2013 titles, and I picked it up during a steam sale for a tenth of the price of a AAA 2013 title.

 

[Huff]

If you dont care for sony games, get a pc. or get a ps4 if you do. theres probably no need to get both even down the line

 

[Grief.exe]

Agreed. I think I played 5 titles in 2013, 4 AAA GotY 2013 contenders and KotoR2 (restored version). KotoR2 managed to impress me far more than those 4 AAA 2013 titles, and I picked it up during a steam sale for a tenth of the price of a AAA 2013 title.

Start playing indies instead of the AAA titles, you will be much happier. I've become completely disenfranchised by the AAA output the past couple of years.

 

[Seanspeed]

Problem then is his PC is old and crusty in 4 more years, console gen is still going on. He can't play the newest PC games NOR can he play on a PS4 he doesn't have. So it's much more economical and smart to buy PS4 now and PC later. Then you have all the platforms and you can play the hottest PC shit in a few years and pick up console exclusives on the side.

If someone doesn't want to upgrade after a few years, they can still play games at lower settings. Settings that are comparable to the consoles. That choice is one of the nice things about playing on a PC.

And you've gotta realize that 60fps is the standard on PC. When people talk about a game that doesn't perform well on the PC, it isn't because consoles run it so much better. Its just that its unnecessarily difficult to get it to run at PC standards rather than the low console standard of 25-30fps. If people wanted to lower their standards on the PC, there is no reason they couldn't get something to run at 1080p/30fps with equivalent hardware. It may be quite outdated compared to the latest PC stuff of the day, but consoles aren't going to magically outperform it.

In the end, they can put the money they'd have spent on a PS4 + games on an NICE upgrade after 3 years if its that big of an issue.

 

[rudieboy77]

If price is not an issue, than this decision should always come down to games. Which platform is going to give you the most options you are interested in?

 

[Grief.exe]

Problem then is his PC is old and crusty in 4 more years, console gen is still going on. He can't play the newest PC games NOR can he play on a PS4 he doesn't have. So it's much more economical and smart to buy PS4 now and PC later. Then you have all the platforms and you can play the hottest PC shit in a few years and pick up console exclusives on the side.

That is such an ignorant argument in the first place.

I built a mid-rangr computer 4 years ago and it is still running all the 'hottest PC shit,' at 1080p and 60 FPS.

Sean is right, 60 FPS is the standard, I can't stand going below that.

 

[Einbroch]

That is such an ignorant argument in the first place.

I built a mid-rangr computer 4 years ago and it is still running all the 'hottest PC shit,' at 1080p and 60 FPS.

Sean is right, 60 FPS is the standard, I can't stand going below that.

Not calling you a liar, but I spent $600 on a PC four years ago and it cannot run all the latest games at 1080p at 60 FPS. Runs them much better than my PS3/360, but not 1080p/60. And I got a steal getting my graphics card for half price from another GAF user.

 

[licktheenvelope]

If you have the money get a PC.

I have both a PC and a PS4 (as well as a Wii U) and I don't know of a reason i'd get a PS4 over the PC unless you just don't have the money.

 

[Clarkus Darkus]

Go PS4 personally, Cheap, Beasty, Do what you want with your games, Exclusives.

PC v Console always boils down to what games you prefer to play,Each have there own pro/cons.

But also depends what kind of gamer you are nowadays, Do you game a lot? As I don't game nowhere near what I used too, Lucky if I do few hours a week.

 

[FiggyCal]

PS4 will get a price cut by next year (or maybe even later this year). You should make a PC. There is no rush to spend 400 bucks on the PS4 in February... of all months.

 

[megabytecr]

I am in the same boat, only most haves from Sony for me are Naughty Dog games.

The trend seems to be that PC gets almost all the ports, even Japanese companies are releasing games on steam. I will probably get an i5, 8GB RAM and for now a 150-200 GPU. In a year or 2 I will upgrade the GPU. In the end I think I will spend less going PC.

I could see myself getting a PS4 2 or 3 years from now with an established/cheap library and if there are enough exclusives I like.

 

[Sentenza]

Good. I shall remember this in the future. [7quote]
Write it down.

So you're implying some of these are money hatted. Oh boy, you shall see soon.

No, I'm stating a fact: that you just don't know.

Two of those are launch window titles (one is launch day). Lily Bergamo is dated for 2014. The latter 3 are quite a long way off indeed.

Are they out or not?
No, they aren't. The end.

No I don't think you know what a trend is. Your extrapolating. You think a dozen ports of old Japanese

Yes I do, no I'm not, and they aren't a dozen for shit. more like a couple of hundreds at this point.
Unless we are going to start one of these funny little games where you keep writing off games from the list stating dozens of reasons why they shouldn't count.

I can understand if it were the same franchise like RE and MGS however...

...Oh, wait, I can see you already started.

 

[Nzyme32]

Problem then is his PC is old and crusty in 4 more years, console gen is still going on. He can't play the newest PC games NOR can he play on a PS4 he doesn't have. So it's much more economical and smart to buy PS4 now and PC later. Then you have all the platforms and you can play the hottest PC shit in a few years and pick up console exclusives on the side.

This is kinda wrong. PC settings exist to cater to the wide array of specs on the platform. PCs can reach 4 years old and continue to play the games with a compromise of a few settings, and still get a few year further.

Compare that to some comparisons on GAF, like the 750ti thread where people compare bf4 high settings to ps4, when the ps4 is shown to be running at lower than the medium configuration defaults of the PC bf4, really illustrates what the difference is this gen compared to previous gens. A PC running an old gtx580 is performing far better than that able to do 1080p high with AA. That machine is almost 4 years old.

 

[ksdixon]

Get a Surface Pro 1?

Around the same price as a PS4, can throw the screen over to a HDTV, portable laptop/tablet hybrid, and can play demanding games fine, such as Civilization V.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

I bought a PS4 and am now saving money for a pc. Once the occulus rift comes out I'll buy some hardware.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Go PS4 personally, Cheap, Beasty, Do what you want with your games, Exclusives.

Like mod them?

 

[Sentenza]

Like mod them?

I guess modding could be dismissed as a secondary concern, when you can't even change basic settings.

 

[old]

Go PC. I wouldn't even think of getting a next gen console until I see their gameplan for the future at E3.

 

[Grief.exe]

Not calling you a liar, but I spent $600 on a PC four years ago and it cannot run all the latest games at 1080p at 60 FPS. Runs them much better than my PS3/360, but not 1080p/60. And I got a steal getting my graphics card for half price from another GAF user.

$800 base + ~$150 for SLI and SSD down the line.

BF4 on mostly high settings >60 FPS