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[Naminator]

No, only in the eyes of PC enthusiasts is this a good thing. People want their gaming session fast, they have few time left after job and taking care of children. When you get older you don't have that much time, you want to play, not spending time changing MSAA and shadows. You just don't care about that, you prefer a closed system where devs can do all that optimization work themselves.

Man I lose faith in humanity every time someone tells a tale of the horrors of configuring PC game settings.

It's like "OHHHH NO I have to spend a whole 2 minutes figuring out if my PC can run this game the way I want, and then never have to bother with those setting ever again, the HORROR THE HORROR!"

I believe this old quote applies here “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” just replace liberty with options and safety with convenience.

 

[Goddard]

The fact is : it's not there on PC right now and it would have been a problem for me from October if I couldn't have played this game. Now of course they know PC gamers want it.

Inability to port on time is not a benefit of consoles, it is a drawback of Rockstar.

Who cares about the number of indies you can play. Our time is limited, it's not like I can play 10 hours when I come back from work. I will never manage to get through the tons of AAA PS3 / PS4 games I've got in my backlog anyway...

It's not about quantity, it's about being able to play the game you want when you want, without any hassle. That's where console wins.

No it doesn't. This generation of consoles is becoming more and more like underpowered PCs. This isn't the NES days anymore dude, You have to install your game, wait exorbitantly long times for them to load, deal with installing mandatory patches, update the operating systems, dealing with fatal software glitches, etc. The difference is that on console you don't have the platform freedom to deal with many of the problems that may arise, so you're forced to sit there and do nothing about it if a mandatory patch shows up, or a new operating system comes out, or a game breaks. Get your head out of the clouds dude.

Yeah, but it's free to play.

Doesn't make a difference. You are trying to argue that console is better because it has GTAV and PC hasn't got a port yet, at the same time arguing the reason rockstar doesn't do PC ports all the time is because hurr durr piracy. Seriously you have already rolled out so many bad arguments:

• The piracy argument, which has been dead for many years
  
• The exclusives argument, which was never even somewhat valid to begin with, given that PC has orders of magnitude more exclusives than console, they just don't like to call them exclusives on PC
  
• The argument that consoles are just plug and play, which hasn't been true for over a decade, so that one is wrong too.
  
• The point that games simple don't sell on PC and sell millions on console, which is obviously false, look at any number of games that have sold insane numbers on PC.
  
• The Day-One argument, which is again, obviously false, because there is a huge list of multiplatform games that originally only released on PC, and only a few multiplatform console games that never got ported over.
  
• The comfy couch argument, which is false the way you are using it, because you are presenting your preference of playing video games from a couch as if it as an objective truth instead of just an opinion. I prefer playing games from my desk, I can't really do that with console games because they are low resolution and have simplistic control schemes, BOOM score 1 for PC, wait no that's absurd, don't try and use that argument.
  
• The downplaying of VR on PC when it is on PC instead of consoles for extremely important fundamental reasons, and you're arguing against them with "some people get nauseous," this is like saying that 10% can't see 3D because they only have one good eye, it's a bullshit argument and you know it.
  
• This one is relatively unique, but the near photorealism argument, which is absolutely batshit crazy. Anyone who has played a console game and then a PC version at a higher resolution and IQ can tell you that even modern PC versions of games have a LOOOOOOOOONG way to go before they even approach photo realism. 1080p was all anyone needed 5 years ago, there are higher resolutions, and they are immediately noticeable to anyone with working eyeballs.
  
• You even tried to argue that if PC was as good as some people think it is than PS4 wouldn't have broken sales records, which is just bafflingly ignorant. Genuinely trying to argue that if PC was a better platform then a hot, new, marketed-to-death, hyped up, next generation console wouldn't sell a lot is absolutely absurd and I can't even argue against it because there is literally no logic in that statement.

What's even more confusing to me is that you aren't arguing from a real perspective either, you are arguing anti-pc. Mario and TLOU aren't a bullet point for what makes consoles better, they are a bullet point for what makes the flagship nintendo and sony consoles better, respectively. As soon as you start arguing against PC from a point of view of having all 3 of the 8th gen consoles, pretty much any argument that can be made about power, platform freedom, versatility, or cost to power ratio flies completely out the window because you are spending $1200 on the next gen consoles if you are trying to argue that you can only enjoy exclusives from all 3 on console.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

The fact is : it's not there on PC right now and it would have been a problem for me from October if I couldn't have played this game. Now of course they know PC gamers want it.

Why are you even talking about PS3 games? The OP is torn between a PC and a PS4, not a PS3. Stop derailing.

 

[Future PhaZe]

pc

software selection is godly because it can basically make last gen games look "next gen"

When you can go back and play Prince of Persia for Ps2 and make it 1080p+insane image quality...you start to realize you can wait on certain exclusives.

It's like...why pay 60 bones to play Infamous Second Son (which looks awesome) on day one when you can get Saints Row IV for 10 bucks running at 60+Fps, 1080p and insane image quality?

Thats just me though

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Krisprolls, are you still confused about why the OP hates Sony fanboys?

 

[UrbanRats]

Ps4 just came out and it doesn't have a decent game to speak of.

I'd wait for the first price drop at least, if not for the inevitable slim model, so that you can get all the Naughty Dog and such goodness, already on the shelves when you buy it.

Meanwhile, a better PC is not only good for better gaming, but for everything else you do with a PC.

Either way, you should at least wait till after E3, to have a clearer picture of the future, of course.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Well that was pretty predictable.

 

[derExperte]

The fact is : it's not there on PC right now and it would have been a problem for me from October if I couldn't have played this game. Now of course they know PC gamers want it.

The fact is: There's more to gaming than the very few games you are constantly naming.

For the record I played GTAV 10 hours on PS3 until framerate and less fun than expected gameplay made me stop, not even sure I'll buy it on PC day 1. Also I named Last of Us as my second favorite game of 2013 during GAF's GOTY vote while Journey was up there in 2012.

 

[robjoh]

The main factor FOR ME is where are the games I absolutely want to play.

Of course, but that does not change the fact that the games you are talking about does not exist on PS4. They do exist on PS3, as PS4 is not backward compatible this means that you cannot play those games on a newly purchased PS4. When the games you are talking about arrives on PS4, then the OP or anyone else interested in those games can buy a PS4. Until then that argument is useless.

 

[SoulClap]

At this point, I think the decision is fairly easy. PC now and once the PS4's software library grows you can decide if it's worth the investment. Since last gen I've stuck to the formula of a Sony console for first party output and PC for superior multi-platform titles.

I have to say though, for my taste I find PC's to be lacking in terms of big exclusives. I have zero interest in titles like DOTA, Starcraft and Lol. I'm probably missing something but I find that the big PC exclusives are relegated to genres I find incredibly tedious to play through.

 

[soontroll]

By definition, you can't solve a mouse driver problem with clicks.

I wouldn't know about that since I've never had a mouse randomly stop working due to driver issues. Even if it did miraculously stop working (...not like a PS3 controller can stop working or anything), I have a keyboard which I can pretty much do anything on my computer with.

You have windows updates and shit like that that break your games, hotkeys that make you go back to the desktop, crashes... People mostly don't want to deal with that crap.

Windows updates that break my games? It's not 2005 anymore. What hotkeys make you accidentally go back to the desktop?

And when you're ok with that, you had to deal with a wifi keyboard / mouse on your couch in multi games if you don't want to get slaughtered ? That's too cumbersome for most people. I know I don't want that.

What is wrong with a wireless mouse/keyboard? Why is it cumbersome?

No, only in the eyes of PC enthusiasts is this a good thing. People want their gaming session fast, they have few time left after job and taking care of children. When you get older you don't have that much time, you want to play, not spending time changing MSAA and shadows. You just don't care about that, you prefer a closed system where devs can do all that optimization work themselves.

That's why PC games come with default settings too. They also have closed settings such as 'low', 'medium', 'high', etc. for those who don't want to bother. Also, YOU don't care about tweaking options. Don't lump the rest of the world in with you.

 

[Setsuna]

I don't think anyone would invalidate it it, yet I don't get to choose what is free for any given month and when/if my sub lapses I lose my games. And the selection of games is just 4/5 any given month and if none of them interest you, it's a bust all together. PS4 had Outlast and Don't Starve. I download them for PS4 as they were a part of PS+. But in the amount of money it costs to hold and maintain PS+ for a year to ensure I still have access to them I could have bought it on PC for 1/10 of the cost. I bought Don't Starve 3 pack for $10 on Steam and sold 2 copies $5 each to coworkers and effectively got myself a free copy. I love PS+ but let's not pretend it's better than Steam, I don't have to subscribe to Steam. PC players may not choose what goes on sale, but when/if something does it's theirs to keep.

you dont get to choose whats on sale either

 

[Kinthalis]

Wasn't trying to show anyone anything.

It's a 2 sided discussion though, isn't it. Entering a 2 sided discussion and then saying "Oh laaawl console fanboys all up in here yo lol" is completely fucking stupid.

I own a PS4 and I own a PC. I like them equally for different reasons. They both bring things to the table that are worth talking about. It sounds like the OP wants a PC so he absolutely should get a PC. If you were to take a cynical view of it, the OP is kind of like one of those questions that somebody asks when they're 99% certain in their heart and head they know the answer anyway.

Someone else might make a similar thread in a months time, word their requirements and wishes differently, and sound like they want a PS4. And I'd recommend them a PS4 in that scenario in a heartbeat because it's a very good system that does a lot of things very well.

The right answer to this question is ALWAYS the simplest. Get the one you want. There is no blanket, one size fits all recommendation that everyone should adhere to. An increasingly large number of PC guys (in addition to the existing console guys) have started trying to do exactly that. PC gaming is absolutely wonderful, but a noticeably large chunk of people on GAF exist in a bubble where they seriously overstate the importance of the things they value about it.

You missed my point.

Nto everyone making (good) points about why the OP should go with a PS4 si a "console warrior".

Saying stuff like: if you like jrpg's PS4 is likely the best platform for that. It's good value for the ahrdware right now, or infamous!! Is perfectly fine opinions to have and to share and ot want the OP to be aware of.

Then there's the guys saying: HErp, derp! I would NEVER pay $800 every six months for 2 extra lines of resolution! Herp derp!

THOSE are the idiot console warriors. I'm not talking about you or anyone with reasonable arguments for the PS4. They're good peoples.

But I'm seeing a LOT of console warriors spouting nonsense. People that are completely, and obviously oblivious to what modern PC gaming is and how it works, and so obviously insecure about their chosen gaming platform that they resort to lying and creatign strawmen in order to try and make their weaksauce arguments seem stronger than they are. Which is sad, and pathetic, and I'm not seeing ANYONE on the PC side doing this (though I haven't read the entire thread so maybe I missed someone).

 

[thunder_snail]

You all need to watch this and admit ps4 is the superior:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%89%E3%83%AB%E9%8D%8B

 

[CerebralTiger]

You do know these awards mostly cater to the consoles? They would never ever in a million years give awards to a PC game even if it was the greatest.

Why on earth would they do that?

 

[SoupyFlow]

Here is my 2 cents about your situation and getting a gaming PC vs a PS4.

First off you can use your current monitor or the new monitor you want to get with your PS4. You don't have to get a straight up TV. Also Titanfall will come to PS4 eventually, however it might not be until the sequel. If you love COD style FPS you can always count on the COD games coming to PS4 anyhow.

If you are on a tight budget, and already have a monitor/tv to use, and you already have a computer for doing normal daily tasks on, then a PS4 would be better for you financially. Yes most of the games will be $60 dollars at launch and you can get a ton of PC games on Steam for dirt cheap (especially during Steam sales), however most of the time even new releases on PC will still be $50-$60 dollars.

I do both PC gaming and console gaming, and people ask me all of the time which way they should go. I usually only recommend PC gaming if you have the budget to get a nice high-end system. I built a nice high-end system about a year ago that still plays everything 60 FPS+ in 1080p. But if someone only has the budget for a mid-level gaming PC that can't even hit those numbers, then I usually just recommend to them to get a PS4. Most games on PS4 will be 1080p and either running at a locked 60 FPS or 30 FPS. You don't have to worry about drivers, hardware upgrades, video settings, or none of that crap. Just turn it on and play. That is of course if they don't mind using a controller.

 

[Wiktor]

But those aren't big games. And don't forget the everlasting Red Dead Redemption.

Dota 2 and Civ V aren't big games but The Last of Us is? lmao

 

[Sentenza]

Man shut it down. Hardcore PS4 Guy only cares about PS titles. Logic has no place here. He'd buy a $1000 Sony console just to play Last of Us Too.

I swear I'm getting the feeling that you could even have every single Playstation exclusive on PC and you would still able to to find people who made desperate attempts to rationalize the NEED to purchase a Sony console.

Dota 2 and Civ V aren't big games but The Last of Us is? lmao

I think he was being a bit sarcastic.

 

[Beerman462]

I swear I'm getting the feeling that you could even have every single Playstation exclusive on PC and you would still able to to find people who made desperate attempts to rationalize the NEED to purchase a Sony console.


I think he was being a bit sarcastic.

It makes even less sense when your argument is for exclusives that haven't even released yet. I fully encourage anyone that doesn't have a PS3 to pick one up if your at all interested in PS exclusives. Hell you can get a 250GB bundled with TLOU on Newegg for $240. I bought my PS3 for Blu-Ray/Exclusives when the slim was released and it's been a great companion to my PC, but could never replace it.

 

[Blinck]

PC gamer here ! ( mostly )

Some honest things from my experience with pc-gaming:

- That thing of "all games run at 1080p and 60 fps" is a myth, unless you have a very, very expensive PC. My 1000€ rig that I bought last year can't run everything at a 60fps. This is because many PC games are very, very poorly optimized and just run like shit.
PC ports, like Ubisoft games, are absolutely awful.

- Some games will crash, some games will stutter, some games will simply refuse to work on your PC. If you want proof of this, just do a quick search on the GAF optimization threads for specific games and you will see the amount of problems that people run into.

- Shit like Origin and Uplay are a fucking pain in the ass. Layers and layers of DRM that just make you want to burn your pc with fire. Sometimes you will spend more time trying to go through this sort of shit than playing the actual games.

- After you go through this DRM bullshit, prepare to spend some time messing with graphic options - this is another pain in the ass. Sometimes you will spend a lot of time on this to get the best compromise of graphics-framerate. Some people here will say "oh but that's the fun part." Bullshit. It's only fun if you are somehow into that which 98% of people aren't, and they just want to play the fucking games without all this hassle.

- Steam on the other hand is pretty awesome. Mostly hassle free and the promotions are borderline insane. You really won't get better deals/prices on consoles, even with PS+. However you will never truly "own" your games, since your ass belongs to valve.

- There is no such thing as "backwards compatibility" on PC. You can play anything and everything from all the world's ages. ( well, mostly anyway )

- Strategy games are almost PC exclusive, and many of them are awesome.

Basically, PC gaming can be a PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS. I don't care what people say, I've been playing on PC for many years and even though I love it, it can be a fucking pain in the ass.

Console gaming is 95% of the time pain-in-the-ass free. You insert the disc, you play.
As simple as that.

The only reason I can't recommend you a PS4 right now it's because of the lack of games.
If we were a year or so in the future I'd probably not hesitate to recommend you a PS4 because it is a dedicated gaming machine that will most likely not give you any trouble and make your gaming experience much more accessible without any headaches.

Again, I'm mostly a PC Gamer and I can play most games just fine. But eventually you just run into something that will make you rage.
- I could never play Withcer 2. It's a game that simply refuses to work on my 2 latest rigs. Yes, it didn't work well on my previous one ( stuttered like crazy ), and it doesn't work on my current one ( graphics options are fucked).
- I could never finish Assassin's Creed Brotherhood due to crazy stuttering on AMD cards.
- I could never finish Metro 2033 due to the extremely inconsistent framerate, even in a RIG built a few years AFTER the game came out.
- In order to play Skyrim on my previous rig, I actually had to download a video-recording application that locked my framerate at 59fps, because if the game went up to 60, it would start skipping frames. How fucked up is that? And I was very lucky to find a solution.

These are some examples of headaches that I had with PC's in these last years. There were many more, but you get the picture.
That's why I'm leaning more towards handhelds and consoles now. There is no hassle. There is simply gaming.

 

[Seanspeed]

I usually only recommend PC gaming if you have the budget to get a nice high-end system. I built a nice high-end system about a year ago that still plays everything 60 FPS+ in 1080p. But if someone only has the budget for a mid-level gaming PC that can't even hit those numbers, then I usually just recommend to them to get a PS4. Most games on PS4 will be 1080p and either running at a locked 60 FPS or 30 FPS.

None of this is true.

You don't need a high end PC to run games at 1080p/60fps.

A midrange PC is entirely adequate for that.

A lowend PC can often hit those numbers as well with some lowered settings.

As for the PS4, well, it has very few games that run at a locked 60fps.

 

[Stallion Free]

I was greatly amused when I read somewhere in this thread that Dota isn't a big game.

You know, the 700k-concurrent-players Dota.

Does anything on consoles hit near those numbers or sustain them? I know COD launches break a million on 360 or have in the past.

 

[Kinthalis]

PC gamer here ! ( mostly )

Some honest things from my experience with pc-gaming:

- That thing of "all games run at 1080p and 60 fps" is a myth, unless you have a very, very expensive PC. My 1000€ rig that I bought last year can't run everything at a 60fps. This is because many PC games are very, very poorly optimized and just run like shit.
PC ports, like Ubisoft games, are absolutely awful.

- Some games will crash, some games will stutter, some games will simply refuse to work on your PC. If you want proof of this, just do a quick search on the GAF optimization threads for specific games and you will see the amount of problems that people run into.

- Shit like Origin and Uplay are a fucking pain in the ass. Layers and layers of DRM that just make you want to burn your pc with fire. Sometimes you will spend more time trying to go through this sort of shit than playing the actual games.

- After you go through this DRM bullshit, prepare to spend some time messing with graphic options - this is another pain in the ass. Sometimes you will spend a lot of time on this to get the best compromise of graphics-framerate. Some people here will say "oh but that's the fun part." Bullshit. It's only fun if you are somehow into that which 98% of people aren't, and they just want to play the fucking games without all this hassle.

- Steam on the other hand is pretty awesome. Mostly hassle free and the promotions are borderline insane. You really won't get better deals/prices on consoles, even with PS+. However you will never truly "own" your games, since your ass belongs to valve.

- There is no such thing as "backwards compatibility" on PC. You can play anything and everything from all the world's ages. ( well, mostly anyway )

- Strategy games are almost PC exclusive, and many of them are awesome.

Basically, PC gaming can be a PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS. I don't care what people say, I've been playing on PC for many years and even though I love it, it can be a fucking pain in the ass.

Console gaming is 95% of the time pain-in-the-ass free. You insert the disc, you play.
As simple as that.

The only reason I can't recommend you a PS4 right now it's because of the lack of games.
If we were a year or so in the future I'd probably not hesitate to recommend you a PS4 because it is a dedicated gaming machine that will most likely not give you any trouble and make your gaming experience much more accessible without any headaches.

Again, I'm mostly a PC Gamer and I can play most games just fine. But eventually you just run into something that will make you rage.
- I could never play Withcer 2. It's a game that simply refuses to work on my 2 latest rigs. Yes, it didn't work well on my previous one ( stuttered like crazy ), and it doesn't work on my current one ( graphics options are fucked).
- I could never finish Assassin's Creed Brotherhood due to crazy stuttering on AMD cards.
- I could never finish Metro 2033 due to the extremely inconsistent framerate, even in a RIG built a few years AFTER the game came out.
- In order to play Skyrim on my previous rig, I actually had to download a video-recording application that locked my framerate at 59fps, because if the game went up to 60, it would start skipping frames. How fucked up is that? And I was very lucky to find a solution.

These are some examples of headaches that I had with PC's in these last years. There were many more, but you get the picture.
That's why I'm leaning more towards handhelds and consoles now. There is no hassle. There is simply gaming.

I'm not going to say you're lying or exaggerating your issues because, well, I don't know. But do you honestly think every PC gamer has had your peculiar number of issues?

I haven't. Skyrim has worked for me since day one, and the ony time it crashed was when I put up uGrids to 15 to taste the rainbow Now go talk to a PS3 owner about SKyrim "issues" and expect to get an ear full.

I've had zero critical issues with any fo the games I bought in the past 3 years or so, that weren't ALSO issues on consoles.

Optimization can be a problem on some poorly ported titles, sure, but commnunity fixes usually have you covered (all hail Durante!). But even so, goingto consoles makes no sense. So BF4 doesn't run at ultra settings at 1080p 60 FPs on your PC oh noes! Let's go to a console instead where it doesn't run anywhere near ultra settings or 1080p, because that's so much better! Just go down to high (still higher than consoles) and enjoy the choices you get to make about your gaming experience.

On the PS4 BF4 is 900p and that's that. You got no options. But maybe you don't give a crap about contact-hardening shadows and you want your 1080p, pristine image god damn it Dice! Well, too bad if you're on a PS4. But on PC, YOU get to choose.

It think that's what it ultimatley comes down to. The PC platform is about empowering YOU the gamer to make the experience what you want it to be. Consoles are about a cookie cutter, it's our way or the highway, approach to gaming.

Both have their pros and cons, but, IMHO, options are ALWAYS better than no options.

 

[Sanador]

Another important question is, how much do you like RPGs?

(Note that every multiplatform RPG in that chart is also on PC, and that there isn't a single PS4 exclusive RPG announced for this year)

Another good question: How much do you enjoy MMORPGs? The PS4 is turning into quite the MMO platform, especially with the launch of the open PS4 beta for Final Fantasy 14 tonight. I really was pleasantly surprised by FFXIV: it is solid MMO with promising endgame and a nice UI. Also, PS4, PS3 and PC players will all play together, just different clients

You also have other great multiplayer games coming this year, like Destiny. Right now you can download DCUO, Warframe, and Blacklight:Retribution and play for free. Also, Elder Scrolls Online is coming as well in June.

Since the OP already has PS Plus, he would get Resogun and Outlast for free right away as well.

 

[derExperte]

That's why I'm leaning more towards handhelds and consoles now. There is no hassle. There is simply gaming.

Some of your points are legit to an extent but If you want zero hassle keep away from X1 and PS4 for now. And even the 3DS has issues like Nintendo's terrible online-account system.

 

[Blinck]

None of this is true.

You don't need a high end PC to run games at 1080p/60fps.

A midrange PC is entirely adequate for that.

A lowend PC can often hit those numbers as well with some lowered settings.

As for the PS4, well, it has very few games that run at a locked 60fps.

I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit.
I have a i7 3570k, GTX 670, 16gb Ram. Bought last year.

I can't run everything at 1080p/60fps. Unless of course I lower other settings, but what's the point in that?
Some game's I can't run at a consistent 60fps on highest settings, from the top of my head:

Metro 2033
Splinter Cell Conviction
Far Cry 3
Starcraft 2 HOTS campaign
Sleeping Dogs ( need to lower AO and can't use supersample )
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Guild Wars 2
Elder Scrolls Online (beta)

 

[Armaros]

I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit.
I have a i7 3570k, GTX 670, 16gb Ram. Bought last year.

I can't run everything at 1080p/60fps. Unless of course I lower other settings, but what's the point in that?
Some game's I can't run at a consistent 60fps on highest settings, from the top of my head:

Metro 2033
Splinter Cell Conviction
Far Cry 3
Starcraft 2 HOTS campaign
Sleeping Dogs ( need to lower AO and can't use supersample )
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Guild Wars 2
Elder Scrolls Online (beta)

by that logic, neither can any of the consoles, since the PS4 and the Xbox One even if they could do 1080p/60 FPS still dont have the same graphical effects that the PC versions have.

Max settings != 1080p/60fps on Consoles, Max settings is much much higher.

 

[Beerman462]

PC gamer here ! ( mostly )

Some honest things from my experience with pc-gaming:

- That thing of "all games run at 1080p and 60 fps" is a myth, unless you have a very, very expensive PC. My 1000€ rig that I bought last year can't run everything at a 60fps. This is because many PC games are very, very poorly optimized and just run like shit.
PC ports, like Ubisoft games, are absolutely awful.

- Some games will crash, some games will stutter, some games will simply refuse to work on your PC. If you want proof of this, just do a quick search on the GAF optimization threads for specific games and you will see the amount of problems that people run into.

- Shit like Origin and Uplay are a fucking pain in the ass. Layers and layers of DRM that just make you want to burn your pc with fire. Sometimes you will spend more time trying to go through this sort of shit than playing the actual games.

- After you go through this DRM bullshit, prepare to spend some time messing with graphic options - this is another pain in the ass. Sometimes you will spend a lot of time on this to get the best compromise of graphics-framerate. Some people here will say "oh but that's the fun part." Bullshit. It's only fun if you are somehow into that which 98% of people aren't, and they just want to play the fucking games without all this hassle.

- Steam on the other hand is pretty awesome. Mostly hassle free and the promotions are borderline insane. You really won't get better deals/prices on consoles, even with PS+. However you will never truly "own" your games, since your ass belongs to valve.

- There is no such thing as "backwards compatibility" on PC. You can play anything and everything from all the world's ages. ( well, mostly anyway )

- Strategy games are almost PC exclusive, and many of them are awesome.

Basically, PC gaming can be a PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS. I don't care what people say, I've been playing on PC for many years and even though I love it, it can be a fucking pain in the ass.

Console gaming is 95% of the time pain-in-the-ass free. You insert the disc, you play.
As simple as that.

The only reason I can't recommend you a PS4 right now it's because of the lack of games.
If we were a year or so in the future I'd probably not hesitate to recommend you a PS4 because it is a dedicated gaming machine that will most likely not give you any trouble and make your gaming experience much more accessible without any headaches.

Again, I'm mostly a PC Gamer and I can play most games just fine. But eventually you just run into something that will make you rage.
- I could never play Withcer 2. It's a game that simply refuses to work on my 2 latest rigs. Yes, it didn't work well on my previous one ( stuttered like crazy ), and it doesn't work on my current one ( graphics options are fucked).
- I could never finish Assassin's Creed Brotherhood due to crazy stuttering on AMD cards.
- I could never finish Metro 2033 due to the extremely inconsistent framerate, even in a RIG built a few years AFTER the game came out.
- In order to play Skyrim on my previous rig, I actually had to download a video-recording application that locked my framerate at 59fps, because if the game went up to 60, it would start skipping frames. How fucked up is that? And I was very lucky to find a solution.

These are some examples of headaches that I had with PC's in these last years. There were many more, but you get the picture.
That's why I'm leaning more towards handhelds and consoles now. There is no hassle. There is simply gaming.

You sound pretty picky about graphics for someone who would champion consoles for their simplicity. Console games especially late in the gen and even some coming up have terrible frame rate fluctuations and tearing in some instances. On a console you can't do shit about it. On PC you find fixes as you have said in your post. Can your $1000 rig not play games at 1080p/60fps with lowest settings, because if that's the case you choose your CPU poorly. You can mess with graphics options or not that's your choice. When I play a game I start at the highest setting and start turning off the most taxing options, that provide the least noticeable difference. It takes me about 5-10 mins depending on the game. I will say there are some games that just never get fixed. I got Metro Last Light and can't use my USB headset with it, because it crashes when ever it's plugged in and I still can't find a fix. That is a very rare instance for me though, just like Skyrim on PS3 being terrible.

 

[thunder_snail]

These are some examples of headaches that I had with PC's in these last years. There were many more, but you get the picture.
That's why I'm leaning more towards handhelds and consoles now. There is no hassle. There is simply gaming.

Nvidia cards are better for trouble free PC gaming from my experience. I guess they are more expensive for a reason.

You don't need a high end PC to run games at 1080p/60fps.

A midrange PC is entirely adequate for that.

A lowend PC can often hit those numbers as well with some lowered settings.
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Midrange PC as seen by PC gamers != Midrange PC seen by others.
The problem is, if you want to achieve 1080p/60 with lower end PCs, you have to turn down settings. This is like eating pasta when you know you could be eating steaks. On consoles, it's a lot easier to ignore the idea of eating steaks. Believe me I know since I've spent $800 on a new GPU + PSU a couple of weeks ago because of that reason. Before the upgrade, I could play games fine at 1440p but with gimped settings. It's weird but I don't have that problem with console games even if they aren't up to par with PC games.

It's all about psychology.

 

[soontroll]

I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit.
I have a i7 3570k, GTX 670, 16gb Ram. Bought last year.

I can't run everything at 1080p/60fps. Unless of course I lower other settings, but what's the point in that?
Some game's I can't run at a consistent 60fps on highest settings, from the top of my head:

Metro 2033
Splinter Cell Conviction
Far Cry 3
Starcraft 2 HOTS campaign
Sleeping Dogs ( need to lower AO and can't use supersample )
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Guild Wars 2
Elder Scrolls Online (beta)

You can get 1080p/60fps with (much) higher settings than on consoles. No one said you get 1080p 60fps on every single game with max settings.

 

[perfectsil]

I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit.
I have a i7 3570k, GTX 670, 16gb Ram. Bought last year.

I can't run everything at 1080p/60fps. Unless of course I lower other settings, but what's the point in that?

If you can't accept having to lower some settings how can you ever play games on consoles? Tomb raider "definitive edition" on consoles don't even have tesslation turned on

 

[Blinck]

I'm not going to say you're lying or exaggerating your issues because, well, I don't know. But do you honestly think every PC gamer has had your peculiar number of issues?

I haven't. Skyrim has worked for me since day one, and the ony time it crashed was when I put up uGrids to 15 to taste the rainbow Now go talk to a PS3 owner about SKyrim "issues" and expect to get an ear full.

I've had zero critical issues with any fo the games I bought in the past 3 years or so, that weren't ALSO issues on consoles.

Optimization can be a problem on some poorly ported titles, sure, but commnunity fixes usually have you covered (all hail Durante!). But even so, goingto consoles makes no sense. So BF4 doesn't run at ultra settings at 1080p 60 FPs on your PC oh noes! Let's go to a console instead where it doesn't run anywhere near ultra settings or 1080p, because that's so much better! Just go down to high (still higher than consoles) and enjoy the choices you get to make about your gaming experience.

On the PS4 BF4 is 900p and that's that. You got no options. But maybe you don't give a crap about contact-hardening shadows and you want your 1080p, pristine image god damn it Dice! Well, too bad if you're on a PS4. But on PC, YOU get to choose.

It think that's what it ultimatley comes down to. The PC platform is about empowering YOU the gamer to make the experience what you want it to be. Consoles are about a cookie cutter, it's our way or the highway, approach to gaming.

Both have their pros and cons, but, IMHO, options are ALWAYS better than no options.

Like I said, go into some game optimization threads for PC games and you will the the BIG amount of people that run into troubles.
Or just go into the steam forums.

PC give a lot more of these troubles than consoles. That's just a plain fact. Sure Skyrim sucked on PS3. But come on, 99% games run without any problems on consoles.
You can't compare it to PC gaming, that's just insane.

Like I said, go visit "support" forums for multi platform games. See how many of the threads are related to PC's. I can assure you it will be 99% related to PC. That's just how it is.

I'm not lying or exaggerating. Those issues happened to me. I know they don't happen to everyone, but they do happen to a lot of people, and there is proof of that.

 

[Armaros]

If you can't accept having to lower some settings how can you ever play games on consoles? Tomb raider "definitive edition" on consoles don't even have tesslation turned on

"1080p/60FPS is enough for consoles, but the PC versions needs absolute max settings or its not worth the cost"

 

[Etnos]

Lots of dated perceptions about PC Gaming in here, you guys should give it a chance lots of stuff has changed since the 90s.

 

[Armaros]

Lots of dated perceptions about PC Gaming in here, you guys should give it a chance lots of stuff has changed since the 90s.

Im still waiting for the "you have to be online once a week on steam to use offlline mode" myth that keeps getting circulated around gaf, when that hasen't been true in years.

 

[Kinthalis]

I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit.
I have a i7 3570k, GTX 670, 16gb Ram. Bought last year.

I can't run everything at 1080p/60fps. Unless of course I lower other settings, but what's the point in that?
Some game's I can't run at a consistent 60fps on highest settings, from the top of my head:

Metro 2033
Splinter Cell Conviction
Far Cry 3
Starcraft 2 HOTS campaign
Sleeping Dogs ( need to lower AO and can't use supersample )
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Guild Wars 2
Elder Scrolls Online (beta)

But consoles don't play games at the PC equivalent of highest settings. BF4 for example is more liek PC at medium with a few settings at low (there are many screenshot comparisons out there).

So your argument is that since your mid range GPU can't ultra every game at 1080p/60 FPS you should go to a PS4 that ALSO can't do that?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Depends on games. A lot of SP ones don't have any activations.
That said retail is often even cheaper than DD, even when they offer cdkeys.
For example, I can get retail Thief in Poland for 33 euros, while PS4 one is 62 euros. That's almost twice as much.

No, they don't. This isn't true, 99% of them have activations and can't be resold.

 

[Blinck]

by that logic, neither can any of the consoles, since the PS4 and the Xbox One even if they could do 1080p/60 FPS still dont have the same graphical effects that the PC versions have.

Max settings != 1080p/60fps on Consoles, Max settings is much much higher.

You sound pretty picky about graphics for someone who would champion consoles for their simplicity. Console games especially late in the gen and even some coming up have terrible frame rate fluctuations and tearing in some instances. On a console you can't do shit about it. On PC you find fixes as you have said in your post. Can your $1000 rig not play games at 1080p/60fps with lowest settings, because if that's the case you choose your CPU poorly. You can mess with graphics options or not that's your choice. When I play a game I start at the highest setting and start turning off the most taxing options, that provide the least noticeable difference. It takes me about 5-10 mins depending on the game. I will say there are some games that just never get fixed. I got Metro Last Light and can't use my USB headset with it, because it crashes when ever it's plugged in and I still can't find a fix. That is a very rare instance for me though, just like Skyrim on PS3 being terrible.

You can get 1080p/60fps with (much) higher settings than on consoles. No one said you get 1080p 60fps on every single game with max settings.

If you can't accept having to lower some settings how can you ever play games on consoles? Tomb raider "definitive edition" on consoles don't even have tesslation turned on

The difference is that I didn't pay 1000€ for my PS3. I paid 1000€ for my PC because I wanted to guarantee that I could play everything maxed out. But PC optimization is just so poor that it didn't happen. Maybe I was naive. That's why I'm warning the OP.

I paid 300€ for my PS3 ( at the time) and I got the guarantee that all games were gonna work for me just like they work for everyone else. I don't care that the games are 720p with lower framerates because that's how the game is and I know what I'm paying for.

I paid 1000€ for my PC and I have some games that are fucking unplayable. Literally unplayable or unplayable because they cause so much troubles with my PC.

 

[Armaros]

The difference is that I didn't pay 1000€ for my PS3. I paid 1000€ because I wanted to guarantee that I could play everything maxed out. But PC optimization is just so poor that it didn't happen.

I paid 300€ for my PS3 ( at the time) and I got the guarantee that all games were gonna work for me just like they work for everyone else. I don't care that the games are 720p with lower framerates because that's how the game is and I know what I'm paying for.

I paid 1000€ for my PC and I have some games that are fucking unplayable. Literally unplayable or unplayable because they cause so much troubles with my PC.

Then you are horrible at building and maintaining computers.

 

[Stallion Free]

I want one of these magical PCs that will have issues with all the games that I play.

 

[Beerman462]

Nvidia cards are better for trouble free PC gaming from my experience. I guess they are more expensive for a reason.



Midrange PC as seen by PC gamers != Midrange PC seen by others.
The problem is, if you want to achieve 1080p/60 with lower end PCs, you have to turn down settings. This is like eating pasta when you know you could be eating steaks. On consoles, it's a lot easier to ignore the idea of eating steaks. Believe me I know since I've spent $800 on a new GPU + PSU a couple of weeks ago because of that reason. Before the upgrade, I could play games fine at 1440p but with gimped settings. It's weird but I don't have that problem with console games even if they aren't up to par with PC games.

It's all about psychology.

You you should see someone about that...nah I know what you mean in a way. I can play Demon Souls on PS3 one minute and not really think about the graphics and then turn around and play AC IV on my PC and wonder if a new CPU is in the cards. I'm pretty pissed at myself for buying a i5-2400 in 2011 instead of the 2500K which was only $60 more. At the time cutting there and on my GPU saved me $100, but now I just wish I could overclock.

 

[Sentenza]

PC gamer here ! (mostly) - CUT

You definitely sound like someone who doesn't actually play a lot of games on PC, but who took his sweet time to gather a generous pile of myths about it.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Man I lose faith in humanity every time someone tells a tale of the horrors of configuring PC game settings.

It's like "OHHHH NO I have to spend a whole 2 minutes figuring out if my PC can run this game the way I want, and then never have to bother with those setting ever again, the HORROR THE HORROR!"

I believe this old quote applies here “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” just replace liberty with options and safety with convenience.

I popped in the PC Ikaruga thread out of curiosity, and saw a post by a user that spent 45 minutes trying to get any of their controllers to work with the game.

I'm sure it's not the norm, but it's nice when stuff just works.

 

[Audiospawn]

Buy a celeron and a GTX 780 Ti and let the good times roll.

 

[patapuf]

I'm sorry but that's plain bullshit.
I have a i7 3570k, GTX 670, 16gb Ram. Bought last year.

I can't run everything at 1080p/60fps. Unless of course I lower other settings, but what's the point in that?
Some game's I can't run at a consistent 60fps on highest settings, from the top of my head:

Metro 2033
Splinter Cell Conviction
Far Cry 3
Starcraft 2 HOTS campaign
Sleeping Dogs ( need to lower AO and can't use supersample )
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Guild Wars 2
Elder Scrolls Online (beta)

Well, the point would be to run the game at 1080p and 60fps.

If you prefer the eye candy you can crank the settings up.

If you want both you have to invest more money.

There will always be a few games with incredibly demanding settings. That's not necessarily due to bad optimisation. It's just that the setting demands a lot of computing power (like some exotic AA technique f.e.). If the trade off is not worth it, one can just turn it off.

 

[aeolist]

upgrading or building a new PC is always a good idea

even if you want PS4 exclusives it'd still be a better idea to wait since there's not many in existence right now and coming to a console later in its lifecycle is always waaaaay cheaper

 

[derExperte]

The difference is that I didn't pay 1000€ for my PS3. I paid 1000€ for my PC because I wanted to guarantee that I could play everything maxed out. But PC optimization is just so poor that it didn't happen. Maybe I was naive. That's why I'm warning the OP.

Some games run worse than they should (you named Metro) but that happens on consoles too (Contrast or Knack on PS4) and some of the max settings are just so demanding that they destroy framerates on normal PCs. Doesn't mean the game is unoptimized.

 

[Blinck]

Then you are horrible at building and maintaining computers.

You definitely sound like someone who doesn't actually play games on PC, but who took his sweet time to gather a generous pile of myths about it.

Fantastic arguments guys.

Just because the things I described don't happen to you, I'm the only spitting out bullshit, right?

Again, go to any multiplatform game Support forums and take a look at the threads. Or go into one of the GAF optimization threads for PC games.

It seems that I'm not the only one that "makes up myths" and "is horrible at maintaining me PC".

 

[Beerman462]

The difference is that I didn't pay 1000€ for my PS3. I paid 1000€ for my PC because I wanted to guarantee that I could play everything maxed out. But PC optimization is just so poor that it didn't happen. Maybe I was naive. That's why I'm warning the OP.

I paid 300€ for my PS3 ( at the time) and I got the guarantee that all games were gonna work for me just like they work for everyone else. I don't care that the games are 720p with lower framerates because that's how the game is and I know what I'm paying for.

I paid 1000€ for my PC and I have some games that are fucking unplayable. Literally unplayable or unplayable because they cause so much troubles with my PC.

You should probably just sell your PC then, because it sounds like your not enjoying it. I have a 3yr old i5-2400 and 1yr old 7870XT and I'm loving it. I played through Tomb Raider again last week at 1080p 50-60fps with highest settings minus Tress FX it was great. I'm currently playing through Alan Wake, while it's not a taxing game it still looks great at max settings and 60fps.

 

[patapuf]

I popped in the PC Ikaruga thread out of curiosity, and saw a post by a user that spent 45 minutes trying to get any of their controllers to work with the game.

I'm sure it's not the norm, but it's nice when stuff just works.

with a 360 pad it usually "just works", if you use a DS3 you'll have to tinker since it doesn't have official PC Drivers, .. but then again, you can't choose your controller at all on consoles.