batman2million
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PC friend. I just got the latest humble bundle and for $5 I got 6 freaking amazing games!!! These would even run fairly well on my laptop.
You can't beat a deal like that.
You can't beat a deal like that.
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I'm torn between buying a new PC or a PS4
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My bad. I actually didn't know that, I heard CS:GO was on console but I didn't know the older ones were too. Either way that is probably a good reason they weren't popular on console.
Yeah, it sucks to pay for online infrastructure but xbox live was a huge success despite free psn. People voted with their wallets and said it's worth it.
I said at least one or two games you like. Maybe you'd like more. Why don't you take a look at last year's ps+ games and tell me how many of those are appealing to you?
Anyways, PCs depreciate fast and there are no "next gen"
meaning jaw-dropping AAA [/spolier] PC games available. Won't be until the Oculus Rift hits. Spending money on a gaming PC right now is premature.
I will repeat what I said: Wait until the OR hits or until a you absolutely must play some killer PS4 game.
If you can't wait, the PS4 will devalue slower and is the better purchase right now.
I will repeat what I said: Wait until the OR hits or until a you absolutely must play some killer PS4 game.
If you can't wait, the PS4 will devalue slower and is the better purchase right now.
It's not hard at all, and there's thousands of redditors who love to help people in your position at http://reddit.com/r/buildapc
Give them a budget and options you expect from your PC and they will give a parts list for cheaper than a junkware-laden HP box. Ask any of your techie friends to help you assemble it, or even reach out on craigslist or a local PC shop and the overall cost will still be lower.
Can't disagree more with this. Any game that has been released cross-platform will look much better on PC at 1080p or above and some AA (I have a 1440p monitor and my mid-2013, sub-2k PC blows both my next-gen consoles out of the water)
sub 2k? You say that like it's cheap
PS4 is only $400...no doubt your PC is more powerful. Nobody said otherwise. Not sure how it contradicts what I've been saying...In a year. a sub-2k PC will be more powerful and run newly released VR games better.
In the meantime, what compelling "next-gen" PC games are you going to be playing?
Pjsprojects
Member
PC version of games are always cheaper than PS4. I have both but the price of games on PS4 has ment I'm buying the PC version.
Most of the time it's £60 vs £25, or wait until the PS4 game is pre owned.
Most of the time it's £60 vs £25, or wait until the PS4 game is pre owned.
Wiktor
Member
Right. Spending money on PC gaming is premature right now, despite the fact that there's a lot of games that will use high end currently and many more are coming this year ,but buying a PS4, which will take at least 18 months before it gets actually good line-up is "the better purchase right now"..ehh.
quantumnerd
Member
PC is always the most flexible choice. Great for retro gaming and newer games and indie gaming. Wide range of controller choices. Is actually good at non-gaming things like making games. Has the best media support. I mean, you can even stream games to your older PC from it with Steam streaming. Or just set up the PC in the living room.
PS4 doesn't have a very large library right now. I'd get it later. Also, you can get both.
PS4 doesn't have a very large library right now. I'd get it later. Also, you can get both.
unrenowned
Member
If you decide to go for PS4 + TV, look up a good TV with low input lag. May not be as cheap as you were planning to go.
Sony 50W685 - biggest TV I've ever owned, lowest input lag of any TV I've owned, cheapest I've ever bought.
There are good sets out there for most budgets
petran79
Banned
PC has a stigma "difficult platform, difficult games, difficult gamers".
Since...forever. When a kid would read magazines for the latest NES or SNES games, older computer gamers would read magazines for games like M1 Tank Platoon, Lost Patrol, Personal Nightmare etc
Magazines for totally different audiences.
I had the fortune of experiencing both worlds as a kid. Some of those computer games left an impression deeper than any console or arcade game of that era. So I wasnt at all impressed when Sony tried to sell a more "mature" console with the PSX some years later with censored and inferior PC ports.
Consoles are still one step behind when it comes to mature games.
That chasm still exists today. it is not just about the CGI bloods and gore. It is the presentation.
What do you mean "next-gen"? It's meaningless on PC. What compelling "next-gen" console games are you going to be playing? I'd like to know because I have an Xbox One, PS4 and a WiiU and they're not being touched.
If you can go for a PC - go for a PC. A library that dwarfs the libraries of the consoles both in exclusives and multiplatform games, you'll have a load of great, inexpensive games to play when you buy it. Not to mention a massive variety to choose from.
Maybe in 3 years the consoles will have perhaps 5 - 10 exclusive games each that are worth playing and that's probably being generous looking at the last 3 years of the PS3 and 360.
maverick40
Junior Member
Get a ps4, there is no exclusive pc developer even close to naughty dog. Any multiplatform game on pc will also be on ps4
PC -
Customisation
Upgradable
Backwards compatible/emulators
Steam, Green Man gaming, GoG, third party key sellers, etc... (+sales)
KB&M support as well as endless amounts of peripherals
Mods/Community content
Easy Recording and Streaming (although consoles are catching up)
You can do more than game and use media applications with it
4K Gaming
PS4 -
Ease of set up/use/maintenance
Lower cost
Ps4 Exclusives
Will be an outstanding media centre when it gets the relevant updates
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Lots of the benefits console users put forward aren't exclusive to their systems, such as comfy couch gaming (easy to do this on PC). The only real reasons to go PS4 are:
Lower cost
Ease of set up use
PS4 Exclusives
If any of the above three are essential to you, then go Ps4. If not, then look into PC.
Customisation
Upgradable
Backwards compatible/emulators
Steam, Green Man gaming, GoG, third party key sellers, etc... (+sales)
KB&M support as well as endless amounts of peripherals
Mods/Community content
Easy Recording and Streaming (although consoles are catching up)
You can do more than game and use media applications with it
4K Gaming
PS4 -
Ease of set up/use/maintenance
Lower cost
Ps4 Exclusives
Will be an outstanding media centre when it gets the relevant updates
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Lots of the benefits console users put forward aren't exclusive to their systems, such as comfy couch gaming (easy to do this on PC). The only real reasons to go PS4 are:
Lower cost
Ease of set up use
PS4 Exclusives
If any of the above three are essential to you, then go Ps4. If not, then look into PC.
CerebralTiger
Member
Surely you meant to say 3 or 4 exclusives you found worthwhile, because there were a whole lot more in total.
over a 5 year period, the PC is the cheaper option if you play online and buy multiple games per year, given steam sales and online play is not behind a pay wall.
Way to cherry pick considering some of the best pc devs are now multiplatform as well offering the best definitive experiences still on pc.
If someone is seeking a ND based experience or exclusives no where to be found on a pc they should pick up the PS4. However if you multiplatform a lot and have the money very little reason to choose a PS4.
R9 270 or 270X would do it. It is the same GPU architecture as the consoles. ~2.4 to 2.85 TFlops.
An AMD CPU might give you more value.
Edit: Make sure there's a decent PSU in there. 450w at least (for stability, the system won't use that much). They're not expensive. There are places that'll pre-build and test components for you. I don't know what the equivalent of OCUK is in the US?
fluffydelusions
Member
Please elaborate.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I can't... if you'd rather be forced to eat shit all day instead of not get gravy with your steak 100 percent of the time, then there is something wrong in your head, some special kind of ocd
You don't choose the worse looking and worse running and worse controlling games just because there is potential for even better graphics and framerates than the superior experience you already get on an average pc
Do you ride a bike irl because you can't afford a ferrari so why bother with a car?
Date your right hand because you can't have saoirse Ronan?
(this is not an analogy to mock the consoles before you get mad, I'm just describing what a terrible and illogical mindset you have)
and there we go, that's what it always comes down to, isn't it?
Standards and expectations on pc are much higher than they are on consoles
how you somehow twist that in a console being desirable because then you can give yourself lowered expectations is baffling , but it seems to be the general sentiment from console advocates
So there we have it op, if you want lowered expectations and standards, buy a ps4
Sentenza
Member
It's Sawyer.
Everything-Sony will always be nothing short of marvelous and anything-not-Sony just worthless garbage.
alexandros
Banned
A decent gaming PC should always come first, consoles later (if at all). Simply put, the breadth of the PC's gaming library can't be matched by all the consoles combined, so someone without a PC would miss out on a huge selection of quality games. A few years later, if you still feel like you want a console, you'll be able to pick one up on the cheap as well as whatever worthwhile exclusives are out until then.
sub 2k? You say that like it's cheap
In a year. a sub-2k PC will be more powerful and run newly released VR games better.
In the meantime, what compelling "next-gen" PC games are you going to be playing?
Here is just a small list of games I am playing or will be playing on my pc.
Assetto corsa
Dark souls II
Witcher 3
Strider
Thief
Titanfall
Ass creed IV
Watchdogs
Crysis modded
Skyrim enb and enhanced
Battlefield 3 and 4
GTA V (it is happening)
Wii/GameCube/ps2 games with image quality, loving playing through persona 4 with widescreen and high IQ
Next car game
Day z
Rust
South Park stick of truth
The division
Wolf stein new order
The witness
Project cars
Child of light
Dead state
That's not even mentioning the 200 last gen games that are running downsampled with 60 fps from the comfort of my couch with a 360 controller on a lovely plasma
I used to be a pc gamer years ago and did float off to 360 and ps3 and I loved them at the time, but after coming back into the pc fold in 2010 I find it very hard to to settle for what a developer thinks is the best suited experience for me, I love that I can play games in higher fidelity with an array of controls, and the steam controller is going to allow basically any game to be completely tailored to the control system you want.
I will pick up a ps4 at some point I am sure, solely for last guardian and some other exclusives, Microsoft screwed the consumers over too much for me to ever trust them again, it would take almost a miracle for me to get involved with them again, loaded up geometry wars 2 and as I have cancelled my live account it does not even hold my high scores, that's fucked up.
I can not recommend a good pc gaming enough to people who seriously love games, I am actually more addicted to gaming than I have ever been, be that good or bad.
The entry barrier is a little higher but in the long run it's more than worth it, like I say I will pick up a ps4 when it eventually has a decent line up of games that I can not get on pc.
I will also pick up a wii u at the end of its cycle, I do need my mario and Zelda, don't limit your options enjoy all entertainment for what it is and realise that we all have opinions and people hate to be told that the system they use is crap, I never understand the concept of people being loyal to a brand, I go where the games are and that is proved by all the consoles and old pc parts I have laying around
i have 3 problems with the PC gaming
- there are less exclusives games that i personaly like.
- i do not know how to play using a keyboard + Mouse " i tried "
- cheating
i can handle the cheating part. because i can just simply login to different server. i also somehow can handle the less exclusives because i do not buy more than 6 games per year + or - a few, and around 4 of them are multiplatform games.
but i cant for the life of me play COD or BF with a keyboard and mouse. i need my controller. mapping a controller doesnt work well with me.
however, there are good positives about PC gaming
- Superior graphics.
- you wont lose the games you bought if you upgrade your hardware. something really pissed me off while upgrading from PS3 to PS4 but i had to live with.
i want to be a PC gamer. i just simply can't
- there are less exclusives games that i personaly like.
- i do not know how to play using a keyboard + Mouse " i tried "
- cheating
i can handle the cheating part. because i can just simply login to different server. i also somehow can handle the less exclusives because i do not buy more than 6 games per year + or - a few, and around 4 of them are multiplatform games.
but i cant for the life of me play COD or BF with a keyboard and mouse. i need my controller. mapping a controller doesnt work well with me.
however, there are good positives about PC gaming
- Superior graphics.
- you wont lose the games you bought if you upgrade your hardware. something really pissed me off while upgrading from PS3 to PS4 but i had to live with.
i want to be a PC gamer. i just simply can't
Krappadizzle
Member
Name 10 PS360 exclusive games that you played last year that you love. I can think of The Last of Us and that's about it. Everything else has been multi-platform.
90% of the time people are playing multi platform games on consoles. Why not enjoy those titles on a platform that can offer the better experience? I've seen it pretty common that people love holding the PS4 as the superior choice in gaming over the Xbox Ones head yet completely dismiss that same criticism when the PC gets thrown in the equation.
PS4 owner here.
Xbox One owner here.
PC owner here.
My consoles have come to be almost exclusively for exclusive titles as almost every time a multi-platform title is released it's cheaper and plays better on PC by a big margin. There's no reason to not want a platform that plays 90% of the games you'll want better than any other.
larrybird33
Banned
I'm no PC expert but wasn't there some budget graphics card that just came out that runs titanfall better than Xbone? Can't you just upgrade that component, get a new monitor and it'll be even cheaper than a ps4 and new tv...?
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm way late in engaging in this topic, but I never really get why this debate is so contentious. For my money, the PC is always the better investment. If I could only buy one machine, I'd go PC in a New York minute.
But I also understand that some people place a high level of importance on first party exclusives. I understand that others don't like to tinker. I understand that some just want something straightforward, as oppose to taking advice like going into the Build a new PC thread here with a budget in mind. I'm sure it can be overwhelming to some keeping straight all the components one needs for PC building.
Speaking only for myself, I don't find the PS4 exclusives to be all that impressive right now. If I was investing in a platform, I'd invest in a PC. But if most of the stuff one is interested in is consists of largely multiplatform console-centric stuff, I completely understand the desire to just get something like a PS4 and call it a day.
But I also understand that some people place a high level of importance on first party exclusives. I understand that others don't like to tinker. I understand that some just want something straightforward, as oppose to taking advice like going into the Build a new PC thread here with a budget in mind. I'm sure it can be overwhelming to some keeping straight all the components one needs for PC building.
Speaking only for myself, I don't find the PS4 exclusives to be all that impressive right now. If I was investing in a platform, I'd invest in a PC. But if most of the stuff one is interested in is consists of largely multiplatform console-centric stuff, I completely understand the desire to just get something like a PS4 and call it a day.
family_guy
Member
As someone who had both at one point, I find more value in my PC right now because most of the games I would buy for PS4 are also on PC, and I can get the PC version cheaper. I returned my PS4. That being said, by the end of 2014 to early 2015 I'll be getting a PS4 once the exclusives start rolling in.
However as far as PC exclusives go, I don't care about any of them. I don't play MMORPGs, don't care for stuff like League of Legends, RTS games, and only buy indie games when they are $5 on Steam(most of the time I never finish them). So I'm pretty much only using my PC to play cheaper, prettier versions of console games. I'll always be a console gamer because of the exclusives that cater more to my taste.
However as far as PC exclusives go, I don't care about any of them. I don't play MMORPGs, don't care for stuff like League of Legends, RTS games, and only buy indie games when they are $5 on Steam(most of the time I never finish them). So I'm pretty much only using my PC to play cheaper, prettier versions of console games. I'll always be a console gamer because of the exclusives that cater more to my taste.
SneakyStephan
Banned
You should give mouse and keyboard another chance
it's like riding a bike once you get the hang of it it quickly becomes second nature and feels familiar
Start with a game with few hotkeys (a singleplayer fps like half life 2 where all you have to do is move, jump, reload, shoot , press the use key and maybe crouch ) and work your way up from there to games with more keybindings
eye hand coordination from the mouse will come automatically (and feel rewarding as you learn it) over time
I started on the arrow keys + numpad for shooters in the 90s and moving to wasd was daunting for me but when I finally changed it it took me less than a day before it was second nature.
In mmos I added one keybinding at a time (instead of clicking my spells) every few days and after a while I was playing with 32 keybindings worth of hotkeys and shift and control modifiers, and once you do that you get used to how fast and efficient it is and it is impossible to go back to clicking as clicking now feels alien and cumbersome and akward.
It's the same to getting used to mouse aim, once you are familiar with it becomes your goto way of controlling games, it's like learning to walk after crawling, you just don't want to waddle around on your knees anymore after you get past that wobbly knees phase
You know how your mom/grandfather or w/e doesn't know what buttons to press on a controller or how to work the analog sticks, you'd tell them the same thing: just give it some time.
You invest some effort and you get rewarded in spades
but see thats my problem. if i try with few hotkeys, i will stick to it and find it hard to adapt to more hotkeys. the same thing happened to me with Guitar Hero. i started playing on Easy i think to get the hang of it. 3 keys i believe. Then it was so hard for me to play it even on normal with 4 keys. and its impossible for me to even think about going hard.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Those PC exclusives(most of them anyway) aren't exclusive because they can't be done, but because they would flop on consoles, they would drown amongst every other title out there
You can still be precise with analog sticks, the difference is in twitch shooters. Look at Titanfall for example. Now I haven't played it on the Xbox One, but on the PC it's fast and it's twitchy. Analog sticks are not good for twitchy, but for games like battlefield, they're fine. Also, for games with micro managing analogs are hard to use and to be precise, another twitch factor.
Games like Counter-Strike require you to manage spray patterns mid spray or burst - something that can't be done with any sort of ease with analogue sticks. You're required to be precise, have good gun control AND think of the effects the momentum of your character has on your spray patterns.
People find it difficult enough with a mouse, a direct input device, it's a lot harder on a controller. That's not to say the game is unplayable without it, you're just losing *a massive* amount of the layered cake that is a game like Counter-Strike as you take all the nuances out of the gunplay. It's pretty much a different game competitively on a controller.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Haha. Some of you "PC" guys are an insufferable lot. Your answers stink of the PC gamer stereotype. There will be a fair amount of overlapping this gen between consoles and PC. You will see a lot of top rated PC exclusive games (mostly indie) coming to consoles eventually. If the developer is not first-party, then assume their popular game will eventually hit consoles or PCs. Most of the AAA budget PC exclusive games will either be RTS or MOBA. Go with the gaming machine that has the exclusives you want.
My best bet is to hold off on a PC purchase till 2016-2017. By then, the PC multi-plats should start showing a distinctive graphical advantage and you should also get more games that take advantage of the newer hardware. Repeat this cycle if the current trend continues with condoles launching every 5-7 years.
As for me, I currently have a PS4 and a Wii U. I care about first party content, especially from Japanese developers. I am tempted to amass that Nvidia 750ti build currently promoted on their website. Looks quite spiffy for an indie setup.
My best bet is to hold off on a PC purchase till 2016-2017. By then, the PC multi-plats should start showing a distinctive graphical advantage and you should also get more games that take advantage of the newer hardware. Repeat this cycle if the current trend continues with condoles launching every 5-7 years.
As for me, I currently have a PS4 and a Wii U. I care about first party content, especially from Japanese developers. I am tempted to amass that Nvidia 750ti build currently promoted on their website. Looks quite spiffy for an indie setup.
Glad to see you rise above it, then. These are the worst kind of posts in thread like this, talk about your preferences, you don't have to be diplomatic about something you're not that into or prefer - that's mostly harmless. But when you start attacking people - it goes a bit too far. Try not to.
you can, it's called developing a knack for it. Just like trying to get solid headshots on counter-strike, you have to develop that knack. Analog sticks won't make it impossible. But for twitching, while it could be done on an analog stick with a high sensitivity, analogs are more for..yes fast (not twitch) and smooth movements. Everyone on a console is fine but the games will play slower.
Does the OP tend to talk more in this topic he created or did he ditch this topic?
Does the OP tend to talk more in this topic he created or did he ditch this topic?
There's a fair amount of twitch involved in Counter-Strike, but that's less what I'm talking about. It's the tiny adjustments you have to make to, for example, control an AK47 in full spray to keep on target. You could be making several in the space of a 10 second spray, and that's *tiny* adjustments. I'd be super impressed at anyone able to pull that sort of stuff off on a controller, because from my thousands of hours on Counter-Strike, most people, including the pros often struggle to nail that consistently with a keyboard and mouse.
Captain Tuttle
Member
I want to go PC but will likely wait a year or 18 months, by them any parity between PC games and console ones (not that there will be much) will be gone and PC games will pull ahead quickly.
I'm not really interested in either Sony's or MS's exclusives.
I'm not really interested in either Sony's or MS's exclusives.
I own both, and I'd just say build a PC. The PS4 is great, don't get me wrong, but there just isn't the games for it yet. PC on the other hand, there's releases coming out every week thanks to the indie scene. Consequently I'd argue you're better off building a PC now, and waiting on getting a PS4 until there's enough games out that it's worth the purchase.
jim-jam bongs
Member
My condolences, your thirst for games to play must be killing you.
The12thGripper
Member
If you don't get a PS4, you'll miss out on Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III.
Ignoring the fact we won't be getting those till next year at the absolute earliest. lol