CouchMaster
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Man how did this thread reach 11 pages? Didn't OP decide to go with PC on second or third page?
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I'm torn between buying a new PC or a PS4
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Louis Cyphre
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The bold part is really getting annoying. Why is it the XBox versus Playstation debate that takes center attention? We seen it last generation and things are only getting worse this generation. Console warriors just love to argue about performance but as soon as the PC is mentioned they accuse them of acting like elitists.
The PC has cheaper software, has backwards compatibility, is more open to game developers, and most often is able to offer the best multiplat games. Also still offering free online play. What it doesn't have is mass marketing.
jim-jam bongs
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MrNyarlathotep
Banned
This isn't 2000 when the RTS was a relevant genre.
I have been a PC gamer for more than 20 years. There's really no point bitching about the PC being discounted when talking about specs, graphics, etc. The problem with the PC is cost and maintenance. People want an out-of-the-box experience and they get that with consoles. Messing with drivers, upgrades, etc. is not for everyone. Despite Steam making things 1000x easier than it used to be, PC gaming is still largely inaccessible to the masses and I don't see that changing.
AcceptableGhost
Member
PC for sure. The days of meaningful differences are long past, now current gen is just a middling locked down PC. PC first then grab consoles when they have enough exclusives you care about.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
He never said it was irrelevant.
KernelPanic
Member
I'm in the same boat.
Athlon II X4 640
4GB DDR2
Radeon 5770
Can't even decide what to upgrade 1st(if at all).
Nothing on PS4 that I absolutely need at the moment. I'll get one eventually
All I play on PC is Guild Wars 2 which runs well outside of large events, only 1280x1024 monitor.
Athlon II X4 640
4GB DDR2
Radeon 5770
Can't even decide what to upgrade 1st(if at all).
Nothing on PS4 that I absolutely need at the moment. I'll get one eventually
All I play on PC is Guild Wars 2 which runs well outside of large events, only 1280x1024 monitor.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
No, *I* am saying its irrelevant.
90% of the PC exclusive AAA titles released this year are not going to be RTSes, because the RTS hasn't been a relevant genre in a decade.
So calling people out for being "stereotypes" then bringing up an anti-PC argument from last millennium is pretty fucking ironic.
Even more so coming from a person who coincidentally places the most priority on first party exclusives, and of course Japanese games.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Case in point. Some of you guys generally mean good, others just can't hide their bias. I apologize for my "insufferable" comment but it seems to me like there really is no middle ground when some PC gamers try and make a case for it as a platform of choice.
When a PC gamer touts the number of games vastly surpassing console games, take a moment and think if you will have the time to play and/or finish these games. I owned a PC before and I could not make the time for the vast number of cheap games I bought on Steam. I found myself being lured to the "new" games out and enjoyed discussing these games at their height of popularity. What I had in front of me was a very sweet looking grid of games that I would never get the chance to play.
Go PC if:
RTS, MMOs and MOBA is your thing...
Influx of indie games is your thing...
FPS/Resolution is your thing...
Open platform (gaming, streaming, media)...
Online competitive gaming is your thing.
Go Console if:
Japanese developed games is your thing...
Ease of use (plug and play, games just work out the box)...
AAA budget exclusives for action/adventure/shooters/platformers is your thing...
Retail discs (trade, sell).
I don't currently have a PC now, but I am leaning towards buying one around year 3-4 of the next gen cycle. But as I get older (31), I find it hard to make time to play games. Their is a comfort zone for playing on consoles. It's simple and the games are generally tailored to an experience in which you are far more comforted in. Mario, Zelda, Snake, Chief, it's where you will only find the icons. But console gaming is safe... a little too safe. If you want an experience outside the norm, a community that shares and uploads tons of content, and you have the time to dedicate to the games, then go PC. Happy gaming.
Sentenza
Member
Oh, the irony.
How does that make what he said any less relevant? He wasn't talking about getting X or Y first, just in general.
But this assumes that you even care about those games in the first place.
longbisquit
Neo Member
What I stated was AAA budget titles are either RTS (Starcraft, EA title), MMO (Warcraft), or MOBA (DOTA). You won't find many exclusives at a high budget bearing outside of those genres on PC. Shooters are now generally multi-plats, even the classic PC shooters like Counter-Strike, ID games, Crytek games.
High budget games just have that "it" factor if it is an exclusive. Whether it's from marketing, graphics or production value. These games tend to dominate the discussion more often than not. They aren't always the best, but do provide incentive to own hardware when they are exclusive, which more often than not is the case for consoles.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
You must super hate PS+ then.
EDIT:
Blizzard aren't EA.
Released a decade ago.
A fan made mod for Warcraft 3, released a decade ago.
Except for strategy games, simulations, FPSes, Action games and all the other genres released regularly.
Are they?
How is Hard Reset? ROTT? ARMA? Day-Z? Stalker? NOLF? TF2? Dirty Bomb? Shootmania? Warface? Warframe?
Funny, because the games that have 'dominated the discussion' recently have been DOTA 2, Day Z, Minecraft, League Of Legends, World of Tanks... etc.
jim-jam bongs
Member
So you're suggesting that console exclusives dominate the discussion amongst enthusiasts for reasons that aren't related to their actual quality?
Can't argue with that.
longbisquit
Neo Member
If it doesn't pertain to you, then why the snarky remark? I did say some. If you go through this thread or the history of threads like this, the PC supporters tend to sound very arrogant and almighty, more so than the console crowd. At least that is my interpretation of it.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Haha. Yea, I can't get to those games either.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Insufferable type A.
Sentenza
Member
Because you just made one of the most insufferable comments in the whole thread?
Which, by the way, is quite an achievement.
jim-jam bongs
Member
A is for AWESOME. Also Argument Ad Hominem, and a bunch of other sweet things.
SneakyStephan
Banned
You're not going to last long here when you just attack posters instead of arguing their points
Shut the fuck up dude. Simply by claiming that PC gamers are all arrogant and have superiority complexes you are showing off your arrogance and superiority complex. Hence why the other guy pointed out the irony.
To add to the irony, PC gamers are fundamentally much more varied in characteristics because it is a completely open platform, so you're not only being a prick but a fanboy prick too.
rudieboy77
Member
This is pretty much all that needs to be said about console vs. PC, yet there are too many of the same thread's on this topic.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Not attacking. My bad if it came across that way. Just pointing out his PS4 and Wii U no games remark is out of context. I'll stop now because the numbers don't favor me and my statements are being taken out of context.
I agree. The one thing he left out is CONSOLE EKZKLUZIFFES though. Lol.
All the context people need is right here in this thread, it's not numbers that are against you it is your extreme arrogance that is against you. You can't pass off an entire platforms user base as arrogant and think you're in the right.
Your posts are fanboyish because you generalized an entire platform as arrogant, only to serve your side of the argument which happens to be defending a specific product.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Smh. It is beyond me how my posts are fanboy-ish. But whatever. You definitely need to relax. Not that serious.
jim-jam bongs
Member
It wasn't out of context. This thread is about buying new hardware right now, and I've been arguing since the beginning that if you want to actually play games rather than just admiring the industrial design of the hardware you should get a PC now then buy a PS4 when it's cheaper and has a bunch of exclusive games to play. Honestly, the only thing out of context is you coming in here and insulting everyone you disagree with, ignoring the OP and going around in circles.
This.
Why would I hide my preferences? I don't see what's wrong with what I said. Am I supposed to lie because some people get their feelings hurt (weirdly) because others have different preferences?
You're making this into a far bigger deal than it actually is. You're talking as if people should be diplomatic about their opinions on video game systems.. lol.
alexandros
Banned
I believe that telling the truth and mentioning facts is not being arrogant. It is a fact that the PC library dwarfs that of any console, especially now at the start of the generation. It is also a fact that investing in a gaming PC will allow you to a) play next gen games at better-than-console settings and frame rate, b) play "next-gen" versions of current gen games right now, without waiting for definitive editions and c) massively improve the look and feel of your older games.
longbisquit
Neo Member
Why recommend a PC now? It would be better to build a PC in a few years when the hardware is much more advantageous than on consoles and also priced in parity. Not to mention that whatever Valve has in works with Linux will be better fleshed out and buying Windows software may be a moot point. If I am going to spend $400, I want to look at it from a perspective of an investment. Buying a PC now will most likely turn into a 2x upgrade this gen cycle. If you wait to mid-cycle, prices come down to console parity on much superior hardware and the return investment is sound. But I vehemently disagree with the PS4 and WiiU having no games at the moment. My two cents anyway. Sorry for quoting your text above all else. Needed a quote to prove my point and yours was the first I saw. I didn't look further into the thread to see if you fleshed out your remarks. Thats my bad.
Because the hardware is already significantly more powerful than the PS4 or Xbox One. i5 and i7 CPUs is far superior to the tablet CPUs in the consoles, and value priced. High end GPUs are far superior as well, though expensive. However you can buy a moderately priced GPU today for $200 which is still superior.
It is worth holding off on a MB/CPU purchase until the end of the year when Intel rolls out their new MB/CPUs and middle to end of the year for GPU if getting maximum bang-for-your-buck is a concern.
longbisquit
Neo Member
But not on price parity. You are working with what we are to assume is $400. You won't get significantly more powerful on that budget. Not in 2014 at least.
You can barely buy a case, power supply, monitor, keyboard, mouse, operating system, ram, hard drive, and optical drive for $400. PC is not going to be "on parity" because of these other parts. However these other parts are what makes PC a more fully featured and functional platform, and this extra cost results in a significant value.
And if you want to take into account all other costs, then you need to roll in the pay-for-online costs of the PS4 and Xbox 1, which the PC does not have, and which amounts to several hundred dollars over the lifespan of the console.
However if you want to get really silly, then we can talk about the costs of couches and televisions, then meander into a discussion of how many PC parts are reusable in the future, then argue about Steam sales versus premium console game prices, and so on.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Why buy games when they come out? Because you want something to play today, not in year when it's cheaper. Waiting to see how Steam OS goes is pointless since all titles bought on Steam will be installable on any OS which can run them, so even if the next build you get is Windows-free you'll still be able to play everything you've bought.
The power argument is utterly misguided this generation, because the current consoles are extremely weak next to existing PC hardware. You won't need to upgrade twice during this cycle to stay ahead, in fact if you bought wisely last gen you didn't even need to do that then.
No games? Of course they have games, but even Steam OS has more games than a PS4 does right now. If you want to have the most varied library of quality games available today you would be better off buying a PC than a PS4 or Wii U without any question.
What? No we're not. The OP is willing to spend more to get a new PC, they aren't after price parity.
Some may not consider this a very good argument, but let's not forget the rumoured VR headset for PS4. Sure, Oculus Rift and Valve's solution will likely come to customers next year... but based on the rumours, Sony is aiming to release a release good VR headset (for PS4) later this year.
Also, I think Sony will have much better luck getting support from third party developers and publishers than OR or even Valve.
Also, I think Sony will have much better luck getting support from third party developers and publishers than OR or even Valve.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
No one said they was bad and I never mentioned any games and a k+m are available for consoles, people just don't use them and only a few would buy them to play them games if they was they was, it's like Bayonetta 2 being on Wii U, people said it was a megaton, but 98% of gamers didn't give a shit about it before so why would they now
Its exactly the same, the games can be fantastic but if released on consoles they would be bomba thread on here at launch because hardly anybody would buy them, if they was any sign of potential money to be made they would be on consoles
Can you honestly see any of those titles being big on consoles? Really? CS might do ok but the rest?
Beerman462
Member
S¡mon;101966906 said:
That's quite a leap of faith to invest in Sony for what is by all accounts the inferior VR solution on the weaker hardware. You're going to need more power than PS4 has to push good VR.
I find it super interesting that people are saying PS4 later when the PC component prices will drop faster and power will improve. PS4 may drop $100 in three years, a PC with today's parts will be more than $100 cheaper.
I've always been of the mindset of console around launch, PC 3-4 years later. Works out pretty nice.
I've always been of the mindset of console around launch, PC 3-4 years later. Works out pretty nice.
Pseudo judo
Member
My two cents.
Since the OP made the smart choice in going with a PC and this thread has turned to poison, it's probably the ideal time to lock 'er down.
Since the OP made the smart choice in going with a PC and this thread has turned to poison, it's probably the ideal time to lock 'er down.
fluffydelusions
Member
My build was just around $1000 and it blows PS4/XB1 out of the water. No need to wait years.
I would sure hope so when it costs 2.5x the price.
He means as a cost-power ratio.
LiquidNarwhal
Banned
Just a question, but what are your specs? I think I like to know a thing or two about building a nice computer, was just curious what you get for your money now.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=745567
this is a pretty good resource that's updated frequently
you can go under $1000 and beat current gen consoles pretty easily, no need to upgrade unless you want really high resolutions/VR
jim-jam bongs
Member
I'm inclined to agree.
This argument goes both ways, though. If you get a PS4 in a year it will be cheaper too, and all the games which have released from launch until that point will also be cheaper.
I do not see a price drop by year's end on the PS4. Maybe a bigger HD included, but that thing will be $399 until E3 2015.
SellTheKids4Food
Neo Member
Pretty much this. Library for PC is vast and if you chose the right hardware part by part, you can set yourself up for something future proof that handles current/upcoming games. Without spending an arm and a leg like others would make it seem.
Snatch a PS4 when it hits its maturity stride and has grown an awesome library of games in a year or so.