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In Defence of Ivanka Trump...
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KefkaPalazzo
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Ivanka seems fine, as does Tiffany, and Baron is a child.
The hate that sometimes gets thrown their way is grade school BS.
The hate that sometimes gets thrown their way is grade school BS.
Byakuya769
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Hahahahaha.
Yep.
Like fuck Ivanka is liberal, she has done nothing to prove otherwise.
That's because it is, She's a daughter of a rich man she inherited his company and used his connection.
Plus she ran to daddy when a store decided to no longer carry her stock.
Because she's a white rich girl.
Except without the gummy bear.
Random family members sitting in during discussions on foreign policy because "reasons" isn't a good enough cover to this.
Sorry fam, she's doing a disservice to the US for enriching the family under the guise of helping her father in an unelected position none of the US citizens put her in. No thanks. That's even forgetting the literal months of legwork her husband Kushner spent trying to and succeeding in getting around nepotism laws for an official WH position. Utter nonsense. If any other president's family even tried to do what Trump's family is doing now they'd be skewered to no end.
This is the problem I have with it. She's eavesdropping on massive global affairs and absolutely deserves blowback for both doing and being allowed to do so. If Ivanka wants to get involved in politics that's all fine and great, but much like her father, I think she should be starting somewhere else rather than the top.
Rereading a lot of this... Strangely the thing that jumps out at me is that Trump stuff has no bottom.
He's talking about how his daughter is a hot piece of ass. And thats bad. So bad.
BUT, if that wasn't enough, he can't even lust for his daughter without coming off like an idiot and showing he has little to no education or grasp of our language.
Voluptuous???? Really Don? Your rail thin daughter is voluptuous????
He's talking about how his daughter is a hot piece of ass. And thats bad. So bad.
BUT, if that wasn't enough, he can't even lust for his daughter without coming off like an idiot and showing he has little to no education or grasp of our language.
Voluptuous???? Really Don? Your rail thin daughter is voluptuous????
Except she's not a child and she's not off doing her own thing. She is actively involved in politics, in boosting her father's campaign, and in profiting off it while he robs America.
She might not be scum, but at the bare minimum she's a profiteer, so that's not much better.
Joe T.
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It's unfortunate that so many people are quick to lash out at anything and everything associated with Donald Trump without first taking a moment to inform themselves. Ivanka formally stepped away from both the Trump organization and her apparel/accessories brand which is now led by Abigail Klem. To quote CNN, "She divested herself of significant assets, including all of her common stock, and converted her equity in the Trump Organization into fixed payments, per an official briefing on behalf of the transition last month."
Ivanka's been using her rather unique position to gather information about workplace policies for women, both in and out of the White House, apparently having hosted a dinner at her home for some business leaders. She discouraged an executive order that would have affected LGBTQ workplace rights and supported a White House statement to leave intact a 2014 executive order that protects LGBTQ federal workers from discrimination, according to Politico.
Hate on her all you want, but I imagine the country's better off for the input she's provided, at least if you're standing on the left side of the aisle.
Fleet_of_Foot
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I'm not sure what the point would be, but it looks like this GIF is reversed to me. Anyone else?
LiquidSword
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It is not reversed.
Vigilant Walrus
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Would you want to be a child of trump if it meant you'd become a millionaire?
Would you trade your life for a life growing up under him, and being a person raised by his belief and value systems? I get the sense that a lot of you'd think you'd have broken away from your fathers influence, but there is a high statistical likelihood that you'd have stood by your father like Ivanka, or perhaps that you'd be even worse (like Eric).
I have to ponder at this idea that is a privilege to grow up under a household of a deranged sociopathic millionaire. There is no way that Ivanka is not significantly damaged from being raised through that. What good does a privileged economic life do you if your brain is rotten mush? You wouldn't say this shit if you had any idea what it does to people. You wouldn't be you. You'd look at the world completely different from your exposure in that environment.
It's in the same manner that a lot of people who laugh at kids who grow up to become addicts, abusers or criminals like their parents. They don't understand that most people are slaves to their upbringing. It's amazing when you do meet pattern breakers who psychologically freak away from everything they know. But that is an anomaly. We saw it recently with David Dukes grandson who was able to find some sort of perspective outside his bubble that allowed him to break free. But this is highly uncommon which is why we see so many depressing examples of the apple not falling far from the tree.
It bothers me because some of you are indirectly implying that as long as you have money living through a fucked up upbringing is a life of privilege. It is terrible when children take up and become banner carriers of their parents terrible legacies. It happens to a fuck ton of people and it is easy to say, if you've not grown up with family members who have histories of mentall illness that it is expected for them to break away.
Of course Ivanka is her own person and she has to face consequences for her own actions. I don't think anybody is disputing that, but come on- Some of the comments here are really going after the lowest hanging fruit.
Your anger is misdirected at her. She is a symptom, and a stand-in doll that could have been replaced by any number of "good guy cop advisor" to Trump.
She played her role because she was there, not because she has any skills or value. SO let us not pretend she had an active measurable role in the ascension of Trump.
You know who did have an active role and carry a lot of the responsibility? the republicans. trump voters. russia. the FBI. populist irresonsible media. fake news outlets. As much as these are covered it will never be enough coverage.
It annoys me that you'd spend time focusing on something so insignificant as Ivanka when all these actual contributors are getting away with murder.
It would have been nice if Ivanka had broken with her fathes legacy, but she didn't. She is co-dependent and know nothing outside his deplorable bubble. As such I'd never expect her anything other than to be loyal to her father. It takes a special person to break a persons extremist conditioning like that.
Again, I am not opposed to criticizing her for bad things she does. She might very well have terrible beliefs (I haven't followed her or know that much about her inner values and positions) and she should face trial for that, but this idea that she should be hurt because she comes from the seed of Trump and because she was a cardboard doll waving.. eh no.
Focusing on her removes airtime, headlines and talk about the things that are a lot more important. So please don't get side tracked on shit like this. A part of the normalization of trump is that every day there is new scandals.
When you attack his daughter your contributing to the bed of nails that protect him. Trump will be defeated by focusing vigorously on the key subjects that matter, not going after every little foot soldier that frees up air space.
Yes, you can focus on smaller and larger things at once, but this is a special situation. We're literally in a period of overflow information wherew the truth gets drowned out by noise. So don't make more noise about unrelated garbage surrounding trump. At least not until there is something more tangible than at this juncture?
Would you trade your life for a life growing up under him, and being a person raised by his belief and value systems? I get the sense that a lot of you'd think you'd have broken away from your fathers influence, but there is a high statistical likelihood that you'd have stood by your father like Ivanka, or perhaps that you'd be even worse (like Eric).
I have to ponder at this idea that is a privilege to grow up under a household of a deranged sociopathic millionaire. There is no way that Ivanka is not significantly damaged from being raised through that. What good does a privileged economic life do you if your brain is rotten mush? You wouldn't say this shit if you had any idea what it does to people. You wouldn't be you. You'd look at the world completely different from your exposure in that environment.
It's in the same manner that a lot of people who laugh at kids who grow up to become addicts, abusers or criminals like their parents. They don't understand that most people are slaves to their upbringing. It's amazing when you do meet pattern breakers who psychologically freak away from everything they know. But that is an anomaly. We saw it recently with David Dukes grandson who was able to find some sort of perspective outside his bubble that allowed him to break free. But this is highly uncommon which is why we see so many depressing examples of the apple not falling far from the tree.
It bothers me because some of you are indirectly implying that as long as you have money living through a fucked up upbringing is a life of privilege. It is terrible when children take up and become banner carriers of their parents terrible legacies. It happens to a fuck ton of people and it is easy to say, if you've not grown up with family members who have histories of mentall illness that it is expected for them to break away.
Of course Ivanka is her own person and she has to face consequences for her own actions. I don't think anybody is disputing that, but come on- Some of the comments here are really going after the lowest hanging fruit.
Your anger is misdirected at her. She is a symptom, and a stand-in doll that could have been replaced by any number of "good guy cop advisor" to Trump.
She played her role because she was there, not because she has any skills or value. SO let us not pretend she had an active measurable role in the ascension of Trump.
You know who did have an active role and carry a lot of the responsibility? the republicans. trump voters. russia. the FBI. populist irresonsible media. fake news outlets. As much as these are covered it will never be enough coverage.
It annoys me that you'd spend time focusing on something so insignificant as Ivanka when all these actual contributors are getting away with murder.
It would have been nice if Ivanka had broken with her fathes legacy, but she didn't. She is co-dependent and know nothing outside his deplorable bubble. As such I'd never expect her anything other than to be loyal to her father. It takes a special person to break a persons extremist conditioning like that.
Again, I am not opposed to criticizing her for bad things she does. She might very well have terrible beliefs (I haven't followed her or know that much about her inner values and positions) and she should face trial for that, but this idea that she should be hurt because she comes from the seed of Trump and because she was a cardboard doll waving.. eh no.
Focusing on her removes airtime, headlines and talk about the things that are a lot more important. So please don't get side tracked on shit like this. A part of the normalization of trump is that every day there is new scandals.
When you attack his daughter your contributing to the bed of nails that protect him. Trump will be defeated by focusing vigorously on the key subjects that matter, not going after every little foot soldier that frees up air space.
Yes, you can focus on smaller and larger things at once, but this is a special situation. We're literally in a period of overflow information wherew the truth gets drowned out by noise. So don't make more noise about unrelated garbage surrounding trump. At least not until there is something more tangible than at this juncture?
Particle Physicist
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Chelsea was 13. It's not the same at all. Ivanka is 35, not an elected official, helped run his campaign and is now sitting in on high level meetings.
IISANDERII
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I wasn't but I will now:
1. You don't think that disadvantage is already there without "maternatity" leave?
2. What do you mean "WOMEN ONLY"? You wouldn't be talking about paternity leave, would you??
Mind explaining why you like her? Certainly hasn't done anything good or noteworthy to make me like her
When Trump's campaign was at its lowest points, the staff went through shakeups at the behest of the kids, and Kushner. When Trump needed to convince white women it was okay to vote for him, she played show pony as the 'good' Trump. If Ivanka is for it, and she's pretty liberal, he's surely not really going to be that regressive! She was always the voice of reason on The Apprentice and seemed so down to earth in that rich kid documentary.
It's super awesome she used her pull with Trump to stop one of the fifty fires his administration has been trying to set since they took office, but she's still ultimately responsible for her part in giving him the matches and gas can in the first place. The idea that she's more informed and compassionate than the rest makes her worse, because it would mean she understands just how appalling things like the Muslim ban are and is doing her damnedest to normalize the man signing off on it. She didn't take a low profile. She may have divested but she's lending legitimacy to her father, who flatly refuses to stop abusing his office for personal gain. She certainly didn't do anything publicly to oppose her father in the name of decency--which means whatever moral compass she's following prioritized Trump's ego over all else, and she's only going to make inroads on policy areas he and the few other inner circle people don't really care about all that much.
VanquishUK
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She's vegan, I think? That's something... I guess..
Username1198
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What's she done to make her liberal? I mean, she supports her fascist father right?
She doesn't need a defense force, she's white, pretty, rich and her fathers the president. She'll be ok I think.
Let's defend those who need it, frankly from her gather and his racist goons.
She doesn't need a defense force, she's white, pretty, rich and her fathers the president. She'll be ok I think.
Let's defend those who need it, frankly from her gather and his racist goons.
Oh shit, my bad. I stand corrected about 2. And of course women have a disadvantage already.
Seriously if you haven't read her Cosmo interview please do.
She at one point talks up how same-sex couple friendly the policy is, then flounders when it's pointed out being birth mother specific makes it not apply to a pretty sizable chunk of same-sex couple.
She at one point talks up how same-sex couple friendly the policy is, then flounders when it's pointed out being birth mother specific makes it not apply to a pretty sizable chunk of same-sex couple.
Besides the obvious answer I was expecting, I guess that registers as good, barely. Still hate her though
Well, I'm sure Hitler had a few cool party tricks that people liked. This doesn't excuse his other crimes and it shouldn't excuse hers.
When you are so close to Trump and advise his actions and intent and you fall in line at the cost of thousands of families being ripped apart, putting a deadly target on our armed service members, and blatant attempts at dismantling the very Democratic process of our country all the while trying to incite a new race war, seriously she can choke on a dick and die for all I care.
Where is she demanding justice or leveraging her position to better the country one iota? She's just a mascot that the administration is using to humanize this presidency b/c Melania doesn't connect well on a personal level with the rust belt like say Laura Bush.
When you are so close to Trump and advise his actions and intent and you fall in line at the cost of thousands of families being ripped apart, putting a deadly target on our armed service members, and blatant attempts at dismantling the very Democratic process of our country all the while trying to incite a new race war, seriously she can choke on a dick and die for all I care.
Where is she demanding justice or leveraging her position to better the country one iota? She's just a mascot that the administration is using to humanize this presidency b/c Melania doesn't connect well on a personal level with the rust belt like say Laura Bush.
BibiMaghoo
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I would think her sitting in a chair for a photo would not be a real issue, especially as it seems rude for Trump to do so in a photo with his guest, though I guess rude doesn't especially bother him anyway.
But then I'm not American.
But then I'm not American.
Is this the same press briefing where the Trumps showed off 'all of those files' about divestment and management only for press photographers to be denied a copy and for people to realize the papers might even be blank props? That one? I realize the Trump Organization is privately held so they might treat this different, but that actually proves my point. You don't truly know what Ivanka Trump is doing in government because she doesn't actually have an official position in government.
That means that if the White House tries to force another rollback of LGBTQ rights, Ivanka can't actually stop it unless she happens to win the argument with the president or whoever writes the next discriminatory action. So if her father is angered or pressured into making another run, he can't be stopped by her. That's a critical point of my argument against her involvement. That's why I compared this arrangement to Robert Kennedy's involvement in his brother's administration.
You should be well informed enough to take anything that comes out of the Trump organization at less than face value based on a long record of dishonesty and omission. Of course we're going to "lash out": you're talking about a family led by a man who skims on invoices, has been investigated by the Justice Department for racial profiling in his residential projects, and has a charitable foundation under investigation by the New York Attorney General's office.
I'm from New York City. He's been active in the city as long as I've been alive. I'm better informed than you assume and so are my neighbors. That's why we voted against the Trump ticket and are so critical of his daughter's "moderating" involvement in it.
That was a meeting between a president-elect and the prime minister of Japan.
Ivanka was, at that time, considered one of the people Trump was going to hand his business too as part of the so-called "blind trust". She was also looking to expand her fashion business into Japan.
Ivanka could lean over and say, "If you help me prosper business-wise in Japan, we can help you with American taxpayer resources when we get into power."
That's what the photo represents. Conflicts of interest.
She's been using the office of the presidency to enrich herself personally and has the ear of the president. It ain't grade-school BS dude.
Seductivpancakes
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This was the killing blow in which the OP never returned from.
IISANDERII
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No, not everything is perfect, it's naive to think you'll go from 0 to Sweden instantly. For the first time ever, federally mandated paid parental leave in the United States would be happening and that it's coming from the Conservative side is just incredible.
Chie Satonaka
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Mr-Joker came in here and said everything I was going to.
Seriously, what the fuck is this?
Seriously, what the fuck is this?
Clinton also had a parental leave policy. Ivanka was so informed on it and why it wouldn't be feasible that she claimed it didn't exist at the policy announcement. If you read the interview she had nothing to contribute beyond surface level, and voluntarily opened the same-sex door only to pratfall in the entryway when she was met with a serious policy discussion and not blank adulation for having something.
The interview is also relevant for how poorly she reacts in the face of actual policy discussion. The interview is Ivanka's presence in the Trump campaign crystallized--only here for the praise and good stuff and scoring points, vanishing in a puff of smoke for anything icky. And that's why I find the interview important--paid parental leave is better than nothing (although the policy itself is basically the least one could do for this) and since I'm guessing Bannon etc don't really care about it there's a chance it could actually happen but does nothing to negate that Ivanka in the face of conflict went full Trump. She's not an innocent victim of Trump's machinations, she wades in when it suits her and her brand. She shouldn't be defended or excused.
Barron is the only Trump that gets a free pass from me. The rest of them are adults who are complicit in this administration.
Melania was peddling birther bullshit years ago. She is an adult, she knows what she is doing.
And the day Barron turns 18, he's fair game too, assuming he doesn't grow a conscience and bolt.
Tiffany is probably the only actual liberal in the family, who hates Trump and was estranged from him her entire life.. right up until he needed to reconcile to run for president. But, whatever amount of money is on that check is enough for her soul, so she's just as bad as the rest of them in my book.
Ivanka is using her fathers position to sit in on meetings to further enrich herself and her company. She wears jewelry to official events and then her company tweets out where you can buy it. Her husband and her are officially all in with Bannon at this point. The one thing she might have given us is killing the religious freedom EO and a pretty crappy paid family medical leave which has minimum impact. That is not enough for her to be complicit in the muslim ban, using positions of public authority to profit personally and all the Russia shit going on.
I find it sexist as fuck that Ivanka and Melania are the only ones that people want to give a pass too.
Melania was peddling birther bullshit years ago. She is an adult, she knows what she is doing.
And the day Barron turns 18, he's fair game too, assuming he doesn't grow a conscience and bolt.
Tiffany is probably the only actual liberal in the family, who hates Trump and was estranged from him her entire life.. right up until he needed to reconcile to run for president. But, whatever amount of money is on that check is enough for her soul, so she's just as bad as the rest of them in my book.
Ivanka is using her fathers position to sit in on meetings to further enrich herself and her company. She wears jewelry to official events and then her company tweets out where you can buy it. Her husband and her are officially all in with Bannon at this point. The one thing she might have given us is killing the religious freedom EO and a pretty crappy paid family medical leave which has minimum impact. That is not enough for her to be complicit in the muslim ban, using positions of public authority to profit personally and all the Russia shit going on.
I find it sexist as fuck that Ivanka and Melania are the only ones that people want to give a pass too.
Tiff gets a pass because it's clear she just tolerates her father's existence and wants as little to do with that side of her family as possible. She certainly seems to keep wanting his money, (hey, can't blame her for that) but she doesn't seem to care one bit about the political stuff.
Ivanka dives head-first into the administration and keeps sitting in on meetings where she shouldn't be, all while maintaining business interests that can see benefits from these insider ties. Fuck her.
Ivanka dives head-first into the administration and keeps sitting in on meetings where she shouldn't be, all while maintaining business interests that can see benefits from these insider ties. Fuck her.
So from the above.. Helping ones father obtain a goal is bad.
Oh and guilty by association because they are your family is a must.
**If the above is true then... there are lot of bad people in this world because we all have some kind of family/friends around us who may not be saints.
Yep I'm being difficult.. Don't like the generalization posted above.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Ivanka is just a distraction
Trump's (Ivanka's) plan was maternity leave only. Hillary's was parental leave.
Ok.
If you actively campaign running for a guy who says "I want to ban all Muslims!"
If you do everything in your power to get him elected, if you and your husband push through a campaign reboot when he's losing
If you take part in his policy, introduce him at the RNC, and repeatedly tell everyone he should be in power
If you attend meetings with world leaders in your father's political capacity
If you do those very specific actions, and then the guy is elected and puts out a Muslim ban? Yes, you own that.
There's a world of difference between coping with a parent doing something wrong and advocating they be given the power to do so. That's not generalization, it's actions having consequences.
GoldenEye 007
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She deserves no quarter. Fuck her too.
When the goal involves hurting other people? Yes!
It's not guilt by association. She actively stands by his side. She actively campaigned for and with him. She has actively staked involvement with his administration.
AcademicSaucer
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I think you guys would be in way better shape if Ivanka was the president, if she gains more influence than Bannon and CO that can only be a good thing.
I would absolutely not help my father run for president and his views are better than Trump's but still awful.
gutter_trash
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don't forget, she's married to Jared.
Jared is in the Oval Office alongside Bannon and Miller handing crappy Executive Oders to sign
Jared is in the Oval Office alongside Bannon and Miller handing crappy Executive Oders to sign
IISANDERII
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Yea let's abolish maternity leave plans because Ivanka doesn't have the polish of a career politician
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