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[Walter Matthau]

So far we have:

• Warnings that "rewarding" Nintendo for this behavior will also cause Sony/Microsoft to have limited time releases.
• People are only buying this because no third party support on Switch. The other platforms are loaded with games.
• Weird political tangents on page 2/3.
• Picture of Miyamoto saying he doesn't care about you.
• GIF of money printing with Miyamoto and Iwata’s ghost laughing.
• After the collection is OOP they will put up the games individually on the eShop.
• Users suggesting Sony put out a Knack collection.
• “Artificial scarcity”
• Pictures of the FF7 and RE2 remakes among others being used as a comparison to the Mario 64 port that is part of this collection.
• Amazon manipulates sales data to promote items.
• Game is being bought up by social media scalpers.
• Now #2 on the list behind only Animal Crossing.
• GIF of Mario eating a mushroom and dying.
• Altering the ports any further would be similar to inserting computer generated dinosaurs into classic films.
• Each of these games will be remade over the next decade and sold for $60 or $70 individually.

Did I miss anything major?

 

[Alexios]

Did I miss anything major?

Also Evilore bought it so it's probably cool after all (or at least no omg you're such an awful person that should no longer live and most definitely a Nintendo fanboy if you bought it - or even entertained the idea it's not such a horrible thing without owning a Switch yourself - any more).

 

[V4skunk]

Corona Year ppl no money for Xmas
I dont think so

New xbox and ps5 will sell like hot cakes and even more new 3000 nvidia graphic cards

You live in cuckoo land. We are in a global recession.
And next gen consoles are not going to break any sales records at launch this year.

 

[Alexios]

You live in cuckoo land. We are in a global recession.
And next gen consoles are not going to break any sales records at launch this year.

They'll probably all boast being sold out. But partly due to limited initial stock. Lots of poor people before too, but the wealthy still bought iphones and shit in record numbers and they will still be high numbers when the poorer folks that shouldn't be buying iphones in the first place finally stop.

So I think the initial sales will seem strong as ever, as well off enthusiasts still invest in frivolous stuff and don't worry so much financially just yet, but maybe slow way way down and for a longer period after that as the folks already heavily affected have much more serious matters to tend to.

 

[V4skunk]

They'll probably all boast being sold out. But partly due to limited initial stock. Lots of poor people before too, but the wealthy still bought iphones and shit in record numbers and they will still be high numbers when the poorer folks that shouldn't be buying iphones in the first place finally stop.

So I think the initial sales will seem strong as ever, as well off enthusiasts still invest in frivolous stuff and don't worry so much financially just yet, but maybe slow way way down and for a longer period after that as the folks already heavily affected have much more serious matters to tend to.

I put money on the only console selling out this Xmas is Switch.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Are these remastered/remakes or just direct ports?

 

[Alexios]

Are these remastered/remakes or just direct ports?

Slightly enhanced ports.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Slightly enhanced ports.

I prefer at least as much effort as the crash bandicoot remake/remaster. If you are going to sell it for $60, at least put some effort in.

 

[Alexios]

Neato, I prefer good games so never liked Crash all that much, and the remakes even less :d

/s

 

[nordique]

I preordered one

screw the haters lol.

Let me enjoy whatever I want and spend my money on whatever I want

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Better if it is a limited game, because i sacrifice buying Astral chain and Fire emblem three houses to get this thing

 

[hybrid_birth]

Shameless assholes, smh

Those Super Mario Haters

 

[newtypepilot]

I prefer at least as much effort as the crash bandicoot remake/remaster. If you are going to sell it for $60, at least put some effort in.

This thread has proved that Nintendo is already putting too much effort. Don't underestimate the stupidity of fanboys. It's no different than sports fans buying the same sports casino game and mtx every year.

 

[ZehDon]

I pre-ordered it the moment it went up. Three of the best games of all time in a physical pack - why wouldn't I? I'm looking forward to powering through them all when it arrives. Would a graphically remade Mario 64 have been cool? Sure - but you better believe I'd prefer an "Original Graphics" option in there. This isn't unique to Mario, either. If Microsoft had of released the Master Chief collection without any Anniversary-style graphical upgrades, I'd still have purchased that pack at full price because the strength of those games. That much quality in one collection is hard to pass up - be Mario or Master Chief. And yes - I prefer the OG Halo graphics to the Anniversary visuals. I just don't have that same kind of affection for Spyro or Crash.

 

[Nico_D]

Did I miss anything major?

Bill Gates is behind it all.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

This thread has proved that Nintendo is already putting too much effort. Don't underestimate the stupidity of fanboys. It's no different than sports fans buying the same sports casino game and mtx every year.

How many people would complain if Disney released the Star Wars OT Theatrical versions?

 

[Entroyp]

I bought two copies. A physical copy to collect and a digital copy to play.

These three are the best platform games of their time, of course $60 is justified. I don’t pirate games so emulators are not an option.

 

[Bodomism]

Must be hard for haters to cope on Nintendo's winning strategy.

After Animal Crossing phenomenal sales record then there's fat italian plumber to steal the show.

 

[hariseldon]

Better if it is a limited game, because i sacrifice buying Astral chain and Fire emblem three houses to get this thing

You definitely need to get Astral Chain when you get the chance though, it’s fabulous.

 

[Saruhashi]

So far we have:

• Warnings that "rewarding" Nintendo for this behavior will also cause Sony/Microsoft to have limited time releases.
• People are only buying this because no third party support on Switch. The other platforms are loaded with games.
• Weird political tangents on page 2/3.
• Picture of Miyamoto saying he doesn't care about you.
• GIF of money printing with Miyamoto and Iwata’s ghost laughing.
• After the collection is OOP they will put up the games individually on the eShop.
• Users suggesting Sony put out a Knack collection.
• “Artificial scarcity”
• Pictures of the FF7 and RE2 remakes among others being used as a comparison to the Mario 64 port that is part of this collection.
• Amazon manipulates sales data to promote items.
• Game is being bought up by social media scalpers.
• Now #2 on the list behind only Animal Crossing.
• GIF of Mario eating a mushroom and dying.
• Altering the ports any further would be similar to inserting computer generated dinosaurs into classic films.
• Each of these games will be remade over the next decade and sold for $60 or $70 individually.

Did I miss anything major?

Galaxy 1 & 2 bundle will be released for full price soon after March 31st.
For some reason.

 

[Saruhashi]

How many people would complain if Disney released the Star Wars OT Theatrical versions?

Never mind complain.

There are people openly pissed off that they can't easily obtain "de-mastered" versions of the OT.

It's as if... people actually want these kind of things!

 

[Jason28]

1. Take a shit
2. Name it Mario
3. Sell it
4. Profit

 

[MagnesG]

1. Take a shit
2. Name it Mario
3. Sell it
4. Profit

I'll take the shit if it's some good Mario gameplay.

 

[Jason28]

I'll take the shit if it's some good Mario gameplay.

That shit is older than my grandma. Haven't you played this games yet ?

 

[MagnesG]

That shit is older than my grandma. Haven't you played this games yet ?

I haven't played Sunshine..
And it's been years since I've played the other two, it's practically new games for me.

 

[Jason28]

I haven't played Sunshine..

Ain't no sunshine when she's gone.

it's practically new games for me

Lazy ass remasters. You could play the better version on pc for free.

 

[supernova8]

Ain't no sunshine when she's gone.

Lazy ass remasters. You could play the better version on pc for free.

To be honest all I'm asking is for them to do to Mario Sunshine what they did with Wind Waker HD.

WWHD looks gorgeous Mario Sunshine still holds up as a good game to this day.

 

[MagnesG]

Ain't no sunshine when she's gone.

Lazy ass remasters. You could play the better version on pc for free.

I could, but why would I when I prefer playing almost everything on Switch? And my pc is strictly for work most of the time, and I hate siting down on it for hours, I got butt cramps.

Of course I can understand if people expect more from them, but those 3 games for $60 is some good shit imo, even with "lazy" effort.

 

[Jason28]

I could, but why would I when I prefer playing almost everything on Switch? And my pc is strictly for work most of the time, and I hate siting down on it for hours, I got butt cramps.

Fair enough. I hate butt cramps.

 

[DonJorginho]

The most successful Plumbing business of all time.

 

[Humdinger]

It does increase the reasons to buy a Switch, assuming that, like most of the world, you didn't own a Wii U.

 

[Alexios]

It does increase the reasons to buy a Switch, assuming that, like most of the world, you didn't own a Wii U.

Em, it doesn't include any Wii U games.

 

[TeddyShardik]

They're great games, getting a bad port to a very succesful console.

Now add FOMO and scalpers.

That thing would always pull big numbers.
Nintendo being Nintendo just added to it.

 

[tkscz]

If you are in need of salt on your meal, don't go to the store, just read this entire thread. There is plenty.

 

[Humdinger]

Em, it doesn't include any Wii U games.

Oh, I thought Mario Sunshine and/or Galaxy were on the Wii U.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The salt when ROMs of 20 year old games outsell every single PS4 exclusive.

 

[Superkamikaze]

Personally I’ve been wanting to replay all 3 of these games, and being able to play them all on switch, handheld or docked, is too convenient not to instabuy.

Only real criticism is that Mario 64 isn’t widescreen, and that M64 and Subshine are not 60fps, but maybe there were too many animations tied to frame rate. I’m a little bummed Galaxy 2 isn’t in this pack as well, but that’s probably due to Yoshi in MG2.

 

[LarknThe4th]

They know the value of their brand, and two of those games in that pack are considered by many to be the best examples of what videogames are

Add in their price controls meaning this pack is offering these 3 games at a super low price and the fact that these games are out next week!

Yeah its gonna do well

 

[Jooxed]

1. Take a shit
2. Name it Mario
3. Sell it
4. Profit

tag checks out

 

[Neff]

Just to back that up with some stats (caveat: this is just GAF, so it's not representative of the whole market), this poll found that the percentage of people gaming ONLY on Switch was less than 2%.

It's one less excuse people can use when they flip out over Nintendo doing well- 'Their fans are a cult who will buy anything', 'BotW was their first open world game', and so on.

It hasn't been practical to only own a Nintendo since the Gamecube imo, and even before then I wouldn't have dreamed of limiting myself only to NES/SNES/N64/Game Boy. Sega and PlayStation were simply too good to ignore.

Nintendo are the greatest, though.

 

[hariseldon]

1. Take a shit
2. Name it Mario
3. Sell it
4. Profit

Tag fits.

 

[iconmaster]

I feel like I'm in a bizarro world where three of the best platformers ever are not worth $20 each.

I don't like limited releases, but it is a good deal.

Tremendous value if you plan on playing all three games. Still a good value if you’ll only play two.

I wonder how many of those bringing up PC versions don’t own the originals and are advocating for piracy. Naughty.

For me, I never cared for Sunshine and while 64 was a revelation at the time, I don’t find that I want to replay it now. Galaxy I’d definitely revisit, just not for $60. So 3D All-Stars doesn’t rise to the level of a purchase for me. But I can’t be upset about it.

 

[radewagon]

I feel like I'm in a bizarro world where three of the best platformers ever are not worth $20 each.

I don't like limited releases, but it is a good deal.

The new Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 + 2 Remaster just came out. It includes 2 phenomenal games that have received what seem to be some of the most impressive remakes this generation. The combined price for these two beauties is 40 dollars. This would make both of these games $20 dollars each. Tangentially, this release is not being given an arbitrary de-listing date to push sales using a "fear of missing out" tactic. If you are wondering why people are saying the Mario set is overpriced, it is not because you are in a bizarro world. It's because these lazy "limited" ports shouldn't be any more than 8 to 10 bucks a pop.

But Nintendo, so GREAT VALUE!

 

[Vawn]

I prefer at least as much effort as the crash bandicoot remake/remaster. If you are going to sell it for $60, at least put some effort in.

Lol, nowhere near that. Those were basically 1 to 1 remakes, not remasters.

These Mario games can't really even be considered remasters. They are basically just ports with an increase in resolution. They didn't even give Mario 64 wide-screen 16:9 support or increase the framerate.

That said, I bought both the digital and physical versions.

 

[JORMBO]

It feels overpriced to me and the limited time sale is stupid. But two of the three games are new to me so I am looking forward to buying it.

It's going to sell a shit ton of copies before leaving the market so I don't think it will go up in value much after it is gone.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

From the sound of things the 3D remasters were supposed to come out earlier this year but COVID threw a wrench in their plans.

But yeah global supply chains are fucked right now anyone complaining about “artificial” scarcity is a clueless entitled fool in a bubble.

 

[Vawn]

From the sound of things the 3D remasters were supposed to come out earlier this year but COVID threw a wrench in their plans.

But yeah global supply chains are fucked right now anyone complaining about “artificial” scarcity is a clueless entitled fool in a bubble.

I don't think so. I think we're supposed to be announced at or before E3, but still come out around now. The E3 booths would have been amazing.

Nintendo definitely did not plan to announce this two weeks prior to release.

And what do you mean "artificial scarcity"? They are making they game available for like 5 months and then taking it away, both physically AND digitally for good. How does that have anything to do with COVID?

 

[Saruhashi]

The new Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 + 2 Remaster just came out. It includes 2 phenomenal games that have received what seem to be some of the most impressive remakes this generation. The combined price for these two beauties is 40 dollars. This would make both of these games $20 dollars each. Tangentially, this release is not being given an arbitrary de-listing date to push sales using a "fear of missing out" tactic. If you are wondering why people are saying the Mario set is overpriced, it is not because you are in a bizarro world. It's because these lazy "limited" ports shouldn't be any more than 8 to 10 bucks a pop.

But Nintendo, so GREAT VALUE!

Haha.
Were you crying when you typed this?
Bu-bu-but Tony Hawk is only 40 bucks and those are 2 phenomenal games!
OK. That changes nothing.

The thread has been going on for a while now. How are people not understanding that if the market didn't think this collection was good value for money then it would not be selling well?

Tony Hawk is priced the way it is because that's the price that they reckon will bring in the most profits.
So maybe they think "if we price it at 60 then we project we will sell X amount but if we sell at 40 bucks we will probably sell Y amount".
If the projected 60*X is less than the projected 40*Y they will sell at 40. To maximize profits.
They literally employ people to figure all this shit out.

This is basic, basic, stuff dude.

Nobody at these companies is saying "well we could sell 5 million units at 60 bucks but lets just sell them at 40 to be nice".
The marketing and sales team would be fired in a heartbeat for intentionally leaving 100 million bucks on the table.

I mean, why do you think TLOU2 is on sale right now? Is it because sales are flagging and they want to get a boost? Or is it because someone at Sony has said "let's reward customers who didn't buy the product at launch for their patience"?

The game is 60 bucks because their market research tells them that this is the current "sweet spot" where people will be eager to buy and will feel that they are getting good value. The sales numbers will bear this out, of course.

How can you STILL not grasp these really simple concepts?

 

[radewagon]

The game is 60 bucks because their market research tells them that this is the current "sweet spot" where people will be eager to buy and will feel that they are getting good value. The sales numbers will bear this out, of course.

How can you STILL not grasp these really simple concepts?

I agree they are simple. That said.... This assessment is flawed because you are failing (intentionally?) to address the elephant in the room. Forced scarcity. If Nintendo really thought that their product was worth 60 dollars, they wouldn't be threatening consumers with a de-listing date. They would simply charge 60 dollars. The fact that they're not means that there's much more to it than people thinking 20 dollars is a good value. Why you are ignoring that is beyond me. Like you said, it's basic stuff.

The thread has been going on for a while now. How are people not understanding that if the market didn't think this collection was good value for money then it would not be selling well?

We actually don't know if the market thinks this collection is a good value. Thanks to Nintendo's de-listing threat, we can't have a fair reading of what the market actually thinks of this title's value as the decision to pre-order is being affected by motivating factors beyond the quality of the product. So, what we know is that this title is selling well for one or a combination of the following reasons:

1) 60 dollars is a good value for the games.
2) The fear of missing out is forcing people to pay more than they think it is worth.
3) The fear of missing out is getting people to buy it just in case.
4) The limited availability is getting people to buy them in order to flip them (scalpers).

Making an argument about the value of these titles without bringing up a business tactic that aims to artificially reduce supply in order to increase demand is disingenuous. Based on current sales data we do not really know if people think it is a good value. All we know is that people are paying it regardless. Which of course, is part of the problem to begin with. Using fear tactics to overcharge customers for lazy products is not something we should be encouraging. But Nintendo, so it's not a problem.

 

[Saruhashi]

threatening consumers with a de-listing date

I love the overly dramatic way its presented.

As if people are pre-ordering at 60 bucks under "threat" that the game will only be on sale for the next six months.

Seriously, only in the gaming community is a limited run of something characterized as a "threat" to customers.

Evil Nintendo says "buy this fucking game in the next six months or else!"

Or else what?

"Or else you won't be able to buy it. Bwahahaha!"

Oh. OK then.