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In your experience, do "nice guys" really finish last?

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When it comes to anonymous sperm domors, being a nice guy makes you popular to mothers-to-be, researchers say.

Think about that for a second.
 
I consider myself a pretty nice guy. I was friends with my wife first. When she broke up with her boyfriend, I waited for a brief time and then asked her out.

Now we're married with two beautiful children, and I love her more than ever.

I don't think I finished last.
 
As a female...

There is a huge difference between nice guys and Nice Guys™.

This guy explains it pretty well.

So no, actual nice guys do not finish last. I love nice guys. Nice Guys™ however....I dislike them.
Interesting. I agree with most of what this fella says, but he still invokes the friend zone which is always feels like the male flip-side of "nice guy" shit but operates under some of the same fucked-up assumptions about women.
 
I usually finish last these days but I'm also an arsehole and know it.

I've ignored women that are into me, I've only ever attempted to pick up women who are out of my league and I am a bad friend sometimes (ignore phone calls and messages when I don't want to speak to people). I'm a bad brother and son as well, not really having much to do with my sisters and enjoy being difficult for my parents.

I'm now overweight, pissed off with a lot of people and don't feel heaps good about myself.

It's funny, I used to be a nice guy and full of confidence and everything seem to fall in my lap, I was figuratively coming first. Now I am an arsehole and I feel like I am coming last.

Thanks to this thread, and that video above, I've realised I have got start being a proper nice guy again. One that is positive and friendly to everyone, not selectively.
 
I usually finish last these days but I'm also an arsehole and know it.

I've ignored women that are into me, I've only ever attempted to pick up women who are out of my league and I am a bad friend sometimes (ignore phone calls and messages when I don't want to speak to people). I'm a bad brother and son as well, not really having much to do with my sisters and enjoy being difficult for my parents.

I'm now overweight, pissed off with a lot of people and don't feel heaps good about myself.

It's funny, I used to be a nice guy and full of confidence and everything seem to fall in my lap, I was figuratively coming first. Now I am an arsehole and I feel like I am coming last.

Thanks to this thread, and that video above, I've realised I have got start being a proper nice guy again. One that is positive and friendly to everyone, not selectively.
Good call, dude. You never know where opportunity will come in life. Not just romantically, but in all aspects you lose out if you shut yourself off. Good luck.
 
Good call, dude. You never know where opportunity will come in life. Not just romantically, but in all aspects you lose out if you shut yourself off. Good luck.

Cheers mate. Yeah, I have definitely shut myself off and others out but it's happened so slowly and over the course of the last ten years or so.

The self reflection because of this thread this morning has been a good thing for me, almost a revelation. I got to stop blaming others and take responsibility for being a jerk to others and myself.
 
Interesting. I agree with most of what this fella says, but he still invokes the friend zone which is always feels like the male flip-side of "nice guy" shit but operates under some of the same fucked-up assumptions about women.

It's frankly a very easy trap to fall into when trying to discern why and how the nice guy archetype functions under a wrong paradigm about females, and, well, humans in general. The "friend zone" is yet another popular way to describe women as holistically reactionary individuals, which, though not really the meaning of what a friend zone is, is yet another example of how these expressions are kind of really bad at expressing what they really mean. I've "friend zoned" some people and it definitely was a very different thing than how the expression is usually used in these discussions. It's a messy bunch of words and it gets a bit tiring, honestly.

As for the topic in general, i think it's fair to say that i've gone through my own, though short, period of mistaking that feeling of wanting to be nice as a sign that i was in love with someone, which was fairly confusing for a couple of months because it obviously wasn't a correct reading of things, but i'm well past that nowadays. Now i feel like understanding how obvious it is that being nice and transmitting happiness is just yet another facet of how to live a good life was perhaps one of the great lessons in life that i've had the luck of learning. I feel like the one thing that irks me the most in "nice guys" is how stupidly provincial their understanding of humans, and life in general, is. It's sad, really.
 
It's frankly a very easy trap to fall into when trying to discern why and how the nice guy archetype functions under a wrong paradigm about females, and, well, humans in general. The "friend zone" is yet another popular way to describe women as holistically reactionary individuals, which, though not really the meaning of what a friend zone is, is yet another example of how these expressions are kind of really bad at expressing what they really mean. I've "friend zoned" some people and it definitely was a very different thing than how the expression is usually used in these discussions. It's a messy bunch of words and it gets a bit tiring, honestly.

As for the topic in general, i think it's fair to say that i've gone through my own, though short, period of mistaking that feeling of wanting to be nice as a sign that i was in love with someone, which was fairly confusing for a couple of months because it obviously wasn't a correct reading of things, but i'm well past that nowadays. Now i feel like understanding how obvious it is that being nice and transmitting happiness is just yet another facet of how to live a good life was perhaps one of the great lessons in life that i've had the luck of learning. I feel like the one thing that irks me the most in "nice guys" is how stupidly provincial their understanding of humans, and life in general, is. It's sad, really.

Absolutely spot on.

Is their a term for friendzoning a girl who I thought I had no shot with only to find out later in life she actually "liked" liked me but now she's in a commited relationship.

That needs to be addressed.

The nice guy paradigm is in its root a miscommunication, missed or uninterpreted signals and the faulty line of thought that being nice gets you "in" or a better way to put it would be that it closes the distance between you and the other person, such that true love is formed.

Nope.

In the heart of it, its completely selfish and I'm not saying that selfishness can be inherently bad, thats what human encounters are all about, the act of wanting to get to know someone and penetrate their bubble is selfish in and of itself. However, this is more controlling than that as you're trying to monopolize a persons feelings/emotions by wanting them to love you and manipulating them in the process.

Manipulation is the keyword.

Just because you don't have the social skills or guts to be upfront about how you feel doesnt give you the right to manipulate another person.

The only solution is to work on yourself and be more open about your feelings with people. If they don't respond well, chances are its healthier for you in the long run.
 
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