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INCEPTION |OT| Movie of the Forever

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DanielPlainview said:
They are usually quite entertaining, but have a severe lack of knowledge in classic film. They just got obliterated tonight. :lol
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It also doesn't help that they usually turn into doormats when they have special guests on. ESPECIALLY during their Kevin Smith TDK Review.

When they have guests that they know and can disagree with, it's a lot more fun.
 
BobsRevenge said:
This is a semantic argument on a label. Ultimately that's separate from criticism of the movie, since its just a description. You're right I suppose.

edit: I should say that I haven't read a science fiction book outside of a class in, like, 5 years. I'm also not a huge fan of the genre in general. So I can see why I wouldn't have a wide understanding of it. :lol

The last sci-fi book I read was Solaris, which is very much a scientifically founded novel.
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Theres a distinction between hard sci-fi and soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi tries to base as much of its technology in REAL science as possible, or at least backs the fantasy science with as much real science and math as possible. Soft sci-fi, on the other hand, doesn't get so much into the nitty gritty.
This movie definitely falls on the "soft" side of things, but that doesn't make it a fault of the movie.
 
You know what I want, an Inception videogame for consoles, I don't care if it doesn't fit it with the fiction, I just want to play as a dream arcidtech and be chased around by
projections
so bad...
 
Alphahawk said:
You know what I want, an Inception videogame for consoles, I don't care if it doesn't fit it with the fiction, I just want to play as a dream arcidtech and be chased around by
projections
so bad...
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So you want to play a standard action game?
 
Blader5489 said:
But your criticism is that the movie is not grounded enough in reality, when the whole point--for both Inception as a sci-fi film, and the sci-fi genre as a whole--is that it does not need to be accurate to real world science.
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That's not a criticism. That's a troll.

My criticism isn't on whether or not its sci-fi, because ultimately that has no sway in how good the movie is. The criticism is that it is so removed from obvious and true human experience that it is silly. Another criticism is that it completely forgoes any kind of elegance for complexity. It doesn't fully explain itself on important points. The motivations of the characters are suspect. The movie is overly contrived. It stands almost entirely on things that don't have basis.

Maybe I should've prefaced this by saying where my tastes lie. Or, maybe I did at some point... I don't remember.

This movie is abrasive to my tastes. My favorite authors are Emile Zola and Dave Eggers, both of whom are phenomenally tapped into the human experience. My favorite directors are Paul Thomas Anderson and Sam Mendes. The same goes for them. They are men with taste, who understand things, and don't get caught up in action movie contrivances or other silly things. I can appreciate something for entertainment value solely. I appreciate Inception for its entertaining qualities. I don't think it's a bad movie. But it doesn't rise above them, and that's what I'm criticizing.

edit: Also, I think Soderbergh's Solaris is a far more revealing and meaningful within the genre. The concepts it explores are more interesting and elegantly considered, and are more powerfully explored for being in the context that the movie presents. Of course, maybe I'm biased because Soderbergh is the dude in my avatar. And the movie that's from (Schizopolis for anyone who's is curious) makes FAR less sense than anything I've criticized about Inception, but that's another matter. :lol
 
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It took like 30 questions, but he got it. I knew he had the answer once he asked if the character wears a suit :lol
 
Read the last 5 pages. Hilarious. White successfully trolls GAF. I was reading the pages and thinking "jesus, these are EXACTLY the responses White is looking for" :lol
 
Why is this episode still not up? I bet they're gonna cut most of it :lol
 
Dead said:


It took like 30 questions, but he got it. I knew he had the answer once he asked if the character wears a suit :lol
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Is your character's wife dead? Is your character a criminal?
Does your character use advanced technology? Get out of here with your voodoo shit.
 
This thread is completely unsafe for anyone who still hasn't seen the movie. People are slipping more and more with not putting spoiler tags on anything. :(
 
DanielPlainview said:
@giteshpandya: Inception still red hot on MON w/ an estimated $10.22M, $73M in 4 days. Could smash $100M in only 7 days.

:D
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Fantastic, well chuffed for Warner and Nolan. Utterly deserved.
 
I saw the movie last night and by the time the credits rolled I was rendered absolutely speechless.
This is one of the few movies I have gone on a complete media blackout but it paid off immeasurably. Feeling like I was discovering the grandeur of what was happening at the same time the characters were was so incredible. I feel like I need to see it several more times and allow the hyperbole that wants to burst out of me to calm down so that I can properly figure out where it belongs among my favorites of all time because right now its very close to the top.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
I shall proudly contribute to this amount for a third time tomorrow!
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2nd time for me tomorrow! Already scheduling a third for either this weekend or the following week.
 
Hooray great original movie with a good ensemble cast making shittons of money.

Will take about 12 of these to negate the PotC sequels.
 
Related to Armond White: was just going through Google Reader (which I rarely check) and John August wrote up something related to Armond White's "style" of criticism:

Many of my favorite people hold opinions I don’t. They enjoy things I find annoying, and support positions I find misguided.

That’s good. Part of being a grown-up is accepting that others don’t have to share your tastes and beliefs, just as you don’t have to embrace theirs. Surrounding yourself with only like-minded people is narcissism by proxy.

When you zoom out to society as a whole, you want a healthy mix of opinions to generate discussion. Yes, you get a few blowhards and demagogues, but they often foster enjoyable debate. Culture is the result of a never-ending game, and you want good players.

But do you know who’s no help at all? Denialists.

“Denialist” is a term often linked with Holocaust or climate change skeptics, but in a general sense applies to anyone incapable of rational discussion on a given topic. You can’t debate them. Not really.

DENIALIST

There are huge gaps in your “fossil record.”

BIOLOGIST

Between which species?

DENIALIST

All of them! Pick any two, and there’s a gap between them.

With topics that can be argued from objective facts, you can ultimately feel pretty secure calling a denialist wrong. But what if you’re talking about a subjective experience, like art or literature or movies?

What if you’re talking about Toy Story 3?

Toy Story 3 is so besotted with brand names and product-placement that it stops being about the innocent pleasures of imagination–the usefulness of toys–and strictly celebrates consumerism.
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In his widely-panned review of the widely-adored Toy Story 3, Armond White seems to have segued from film critic to film denialist. “Contrarian” feels too small, too polite — he’s not just paddling in the opposite direction of most critics, he’s climbed out of the boat and started grabbing fish with his bare hands.

Criticizing Toy Story 3 for celebrating consumerism is so non-sensical as to be objectively wrong.

Or maybe we’ve all been duped:

[Toy Story 3 is] essentially a bored game that only the brainwashed will buy into. Besides, Transformers 2 already explored the same plot to greater thrill and opulence.
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Oy.

Paul Brunick does a point-by-point dissection of the Toy Story 3 review, revealing its many factual inaccuracies. Never mind what movie is being projected on screen — White is here to catalog how it falls short of his ideals:

What makes Armond’s reviews perversely fascinating is that he is so obviously intelligent, yet this intelligence has been harnessed to the warped imperatives of an increasingly frustrated personality. Where your average critical hack job is just banal, White’s ability to disconnect the dots exerts a kind of bizarro brilliance. Try to take any of his recent reviews as seriously as he insists and you’ll find yourself, like Alice and the Red Queen, running in hermeneutic circles, getting nowhere fast. It makes for mediocre criticism but lurid psychodrama.

Don’t feed the trolls
Since you can’t debate a denialist, shouldn’t you just ignore them?

In forums and message boards, yes. On their own blogs, sure. But when a denialist has a platform that otherwise feels legitimate, are you doing society a disservice by letting the counterfactual opinion sit there uncontested?

Take evolution, per my example above. By attempting to engage with denialists, defenders of science paradoxically lend their opponents legitimacy — particularly if they can portray themselves as persecuted. “Teach the controversy” starts to sound like a reasonable middle ground, drawing in otherwise-reasonable people who want to be perceived as wise and fair.

I don’t have a good answer. I haven’t devised a formula for figuring out when to just ignore it. And thus I spend a few hundred words on a terrible review of an excellent movie.
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Bolded is exactly how I feel.
 
I'm a huge fan of Armond after last night's podcast. I don't agree with his platform, well actually I do to a limited extent in theory, but he's pretty awesome none the less.
 
I didn't get to see it yesterday but I have a 12:30 lined up. I also just noticed the running time is 2.5 hours!!!! SHIT! I don't know if I'll make it. Maybe it's the seats, maybe it's my bad knees but I've found I just can't sit in a theater for that long anymore. That's why I see longer movies at home so I can stretch. I also means I don't want to cheap out and skip the snacks since the movie is so long.
 
harSon said:
I'm a huge fan of Armond after last night's podcast. I don't agree with his platform, well actually I do to a limited extent in theory, but he's pretty awesome none the less.
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I don't agree with his platform at all, but he was without a doubt extremely interesting to listen to.
 
I honestly can't stand the guy and think he's reviews are often shit, but then again if they weren't no one would pay attention.
I don't even mind things I hate as long as it's an A+ or an F-. He is defiantly an F- but hell at least it's not boring or mediocre.
 
GhaleonEB said:
White's a master troll; nothing wrong with doing what you love.
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I wish I had a job of being a professional troll. Instead I hate my job, so I just sit here trolling for free all day.
 
I just got home from the theater. I thought it was a very solid, competent movie that I really liked. This might piss people off but I have to put people who said this is the best movie they've ever seen in the same category as people who said the same thing about Donnie Darko: they need to see more movies .


I'll keep most of my thoughts in the spoiler thread but I did how comment about have the movie went forward: after a certain point early on, I never once felt any tension or felt like the characters were under any real threat who so ever and that hurt the film a little bit.

Also, if it were me I never would have called this movie an action movie. To me, it was straight thriller with a bit of action in it. It didn't even feel like a sci-fi film to me. I understand why it is, but I disagree.

8/10
 
I loved it. Probably right behind The Prestige when it comes to my favorite Nolan films (although I haven't seen Momento yet). I did think the
Call of Duty portion felt a little out of place though. After building a fiction all about the flexible reality of the dream world it seemed strange to turn into a traditional military action flick, but thankfully that didn't last too long.

Also, some old guy fell asleep in my theater. Normally that's not a good sign of enjoyment, but I like to think he was so into the movie he was trying to enter their dreams to help them out.
 
Tkawsome said:
I loved it. Probably right behind The Prestige when it comes to my favorite Nolan films (although I haven't seen Momento yet). I did think the
Call of Duty portion felt a little out of place though. After building a fiction all about the flexible reality of the dream world it seemed strange to turn into a traditional military action flick, but thankfully that didn't last too long.

Also, some old guy fell asleep in my theater. Normally that's not a good sign of enjoyment, but I like to think he was so into the movie he was trying to enter their dreams to help them out.
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See Memento immediately.
 
big ander said:
See Memento immediately.
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Yeah I had no idea who he was when I saw memento, nor did I remember him as it's director when I saw BAtman Begins. I love that movie: I have that crazy special edition that impossible to use without help LOL. The stunt he pulled in the Director's commentary is still legendary to me, although it's VERY important to understand that he was TRYING to confuse you and the movie's ending it the real answer.
 
Five Things You Need to Know About Inception

EOnline said:
It's been one of the most-buzzed-about films of 2010: Inception, starring Leonardo DiCaprio and from The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan, has been shrouded in secrecy ever since it was announced last year, and now it's time to see what lines like "Your mind is the scene of the crime" really mean.

Before (or even after) you catch this twisty and inventive thriller, check out our list of five things you need to know about Inception:

The director dreamed the whole thing up himself: Dreams playing a big role in movies isn't anything new. But a subconscious dream world that can be manipulated by the conscious? Where does that idea come from? From Nolan's real-life crazy dreaming, of course.

"There are times in my life where I experienced lucid dreaming, which is a big feature of Inception," Nolan told E! News recently when discussing the film. "The idea of realizing you're in a dream and...trying to manipulate it in some way. That's a very striking experience."

Acting in zero gravity requires serious mind games: One scene getting a lot of buzz has Joseph Gordon-Levitt fighting off some goons while literally climbing the walls of a hallway. To pull it off, the filmmakers created a 100-foot-long corridor (a padded one) that could be rotated 360 degrees six times every minute. But how exactly does an actor prepare for something like that?

"I couldn't think of the floor being the floor and the ceiling being the ceiling," Gordon-Levitt said. "I had to think, 'This is the ground...Now this is the ground...and now, this is the ground.' That was the mind game I had to play to make it work."

There isn't a whole lotta CGI: Just thinking about the work that has to go into building a giant, padded, rotating hallway is exhausting. So it makes you wonder, with today's technology, why not just green-screen that stuff?

It was a very specific choice on Nolan's part not to.

"However sophisticated animation is, the audience can always tell the difference between something that has been photographed and something that has been animated," Nolan said.

But when effects are required, like say, when a city in ruins has to fall into the sea, Nolan always tries to always do something on camera, so there's at least a photographic foundation for the CG teams to build on.

DiCaprio isn't much of dreamer: His character Cobb has made a life out of navigating the subconscious, but as it turns out, Leo himself doesn't spend a whole lot of time there himself.

"I'm not a big dreamer," Leo told us. "I never have been. I remember fragments of my dreams."

So what kind of preparation did he do to be able to get inside the mind...literally? "I was able to sit down with Chris for two months every other day and talk about the structure of this dream world, and the rules that apply in it."

There's nothing funny about it: Who hasn't had a dream that involved an in-depth conversation with a purple stuffed elephant. Really? No one? Well, when writing Inception, Nolan avoided the comedic side of dreams. "One of the things we talked about, tonally, is never tipping over into comedy, this funny version," he's stated. "And certainly I think there's a great comedy version of this movie somewhere, but I don't want to make it."

Does this mean there'll be a sequel?! Maybe by The Hangover director Todd Phillips? Just a thought.
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BobTheFork said:
Just because it's not funny doesn't mean you won't/can't laugh. I laughed quite a bit during the movie, but that was just me enjoying myself so much.
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I also found myself laughing a few times during the movie. Not because a particular scene was funny but because I just didn't know how else to react. It was either loose my jaw to the floor or just laugh.
 
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