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Infinity Ward ops to show PS4 footage for COD IGN vids- a series first since MS deal?

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How come knowledge of a game isn't limited to a few people at Sony? Adam was proud to tell the whole world Ghosts runs at 1080p today. And you can't get even your own good friend to tell you the resolution of the XB1 version, even if you kept it secret?

I don't believe it one bit.
That good friend knows Albert can't keep a secret. I mean have you seen the amount of GAF posts the man makes?

 

Tsundere

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I read that you were a developer. You really can't easily tell the difference? That is very surprising considering 720p blown up to twice its size looks like blurry shit on a TV that isn't trashola. And I need to wear glasses to drive.
Maybe he's developing an Xbox One game? =p
 

Y2Kev

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This is both stupid and disrespectful.



Adam Boyes confirmed it during a press conference in Brazil.
That is not disrespectful. How is that disrespectful? Albert Penello has spent quite a lot of time on here telling people the gap is overstated. Asking people to be accountable for their shit is not disrespectful.

He can choose to do whatever he wants: ignore it, explain it, contextualize it, whatever. But, Hyacinth, this isn't Keeping Up Appearances. That is a perfectly civil question.

edit: ZOE2's renderer was totally rewritten. I have to ask you what you think they're going to be able to do in 3 weeks that they weren't able to do in the preceding year or so unless some magical tools pop out of someone's ass.
 

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Even at 1080p the game looks like shit. That should be the the outrage here, not 720p.

I'm still getting it because mp simply is amazing.
Yet Millions have loads of fun with sub-HD Black Ops 2 on PS3 and 360. Now they can do it on FULL HD pn PS4.
 

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How come knowledge of a game isn't limited to a few people at Sony? Adam was proud to tell the whole world Ghosts runs at 1080p today. And you can't get even your own good friend to tell you the resolution of the XB1 version, even if you kept it secret?

I don't believe it one bit.


There is a great reason: Plausible deniability.
 

Darksol

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Just finished reading the COD Xbox One @ 720p thread and noticed that Thuway is banned? Anyone know why? I must have missed it. :(
 

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That is not disrespectful. How is that disrespectful? Albert Penello has spent quite a lot of time on here telling people the gap is overstated. Asking people to be accountable for their shit is not disrespectful.

He can choose to do whatever he wants: ignore it, explain it, contextualize it, whatever. But, Hyacinth, this isn't Keeping Up Appearances. That is a perfectly civil question.

edit: ZOE2's renderer was totally rewritten. I have to ask you what you think they're going to be able to do in 3 weeks that they weren't able to do in the preceding year or so unless some magical tools pop out of someone's ass.
The amusing part is that it would be 360p less than the other version. Roughly 30% less.

I think it's a fair question also.
 

3rdamention

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Agreed with this. Typical twitter tough guy bullshit. Such a lack of respect.

Yeah when he said "pretty weird" that was when he was showing real toughness. What are you even talking about? No cursing, no derogatory statements, he just said it was weird Albert didn't know but Sony's 3rd part relations guy does know.


Now, Albert says Microsoft's 3rd party relations guy, and one of his best friends, won't tell him. I kinda find that "pretty weird" especially with the "you don't need to know" QUOTE.
 

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Yet Millions have loads of fun with sub-HD Black Ops 2 on PS3 and 360. Now they can do it on FULL HD pn PS4.
Lol, oh lord. I've seen "FULL HD" in caps a few times recently (IN&OUT probably). I'm surprised we haven't started bolding it yet. That "1808p FULL HD" JPEG is going to get so much use.
 

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Would this be the first console game ever patched to go from 720p -> 1080p?
I really doubt that they can make this jump. Especially on such a short notice. Perhaps with a patch in a few months?

I just know that I don´t want to be the department/guy in charge of that... At least 10.000 dinners at work more than planned? ;-)
 

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That is not disrespectful. How is that disrespectful? Albert Penello has spent quite a lot of time on here telling people the gap is overstated. Asking people to be accountable for their shit is not disrespectful.

He can choose to do whatever he wants: ignore it, explain it, contextualize it, whatever. But, Hyacinth, this isn't Keeping Up Appearances. That is a perfectly civil question.

edit: ZOE2's renderer was totally rewritten. I have to ask you what you think they're going to be able to do in 3 weeks that they weren't able to do in the preceding year or so unless some magical tools pop out of someone's ass.
It's disrespectful because it presumes Albert knowingly obfuscated. And it also assumes the resolution is the direct result of a power difference. There's another reason that could have caused it and was rumored by Cboat during the summer.

Yeah when he said "pretty weird" that was when he was showing real toughness. What are you even talking about? No cursing, no derogatory statements, he just said it was weird Albert didn't know but Sony's 3rd part relations guy does know.
Because you have to curse or be derogatory to be condescending? It's not hard to act like an adult. Even on Twitter.
 

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That could just mean it scales to 1080p. PS3 games have that too.
That actually means very little, go flip the box around on all your favorite current generation games. They all claim they support 1080p, it's just not running natively.

But Adam Boyes confirming it makes it a done deal.
Does that automatically mean it's native? I'm not familiar with the designations they put on the cases.
You can put 1080p on a box even if it isn't native. The console just has to have the ability to upscale it to 1080p. So you'll find a lot of PS3 and 360 games with 1080p listed on the box even though there are very few retail 1080p games on either platform.
I think it doesn't say it's native 1080p, it says that you need 1080p monitor.
 

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My major problem with this situation is that it's damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

If they don't know, I wonder what the fuck is going on with the relationship between Activision and Microsoft, and why they are not working very closely with their MAJOR partner on the biggest game of the holiday season.

And if they do, then frankly I simply feel lied to, especially since the game has gone GOLD.


From my understanding, it seems like the people that do know at Microsoft is giving Penello plausible deniability, and that rubs me the wrong way.
Eh, Microsoft knows every intimate detail of the XBOne port of Ghosts. They'd be insane not to be plugged into the major third parties releasing their first games for their next flagship console. It doesn't even make sense that they wouldn't be appraised of weekly, and probably daily now that we're near "go time", updates of the progress of each game.
 

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That could just mean it scales to 1080p. PS3 games have that too.
Probably doesn't mean nothing but in European PS3 boxes (that COD box is from Spain) there are only mentioned real standard resolutions, not 1080p in every game like X360 games.

But of course it's a game is less that 720p box says 720p, with PS4 a 900p game should say 1080p.
 

Chobel

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Just finished reading the COD Xbox One @ 720p thread and noticed that Thuway is banned? Anyone know why? I must have missed it. :(
He said thief is 900p in Xbox One, but bish said he must provide two sources to what he said, so bish banned him.
 

Tsundere

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saying Thief 4 on xbone was 900p without verifying his sources.

it could be still though
No he didn't get banned for not verifying his sources, he got banned because he didn't meet the 2 separate source requirement. Saw bish comment on it in that thread after he was banned.
 

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Eh, Microsoft knows every intimate detail of the XBOne port of Ghosts. They'd be insane not to be plugged into the major third parties releasing their first games for their next flagship console. It doesn't even make sense that they wouldn't be appraised of weekly, and probably daily now that we're near "go time", updates of the progress of each game.
We're not near the end of development, the discs are printed and out in the wild for the Xbox one edition. Day one patches to make a game render an extra 125% of pixels is laughable.
 

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I read that you were a developer. You really can't easily tell the difference? That is very surprising considering 720p blown up to twice its size looks like blurry shit on a TV that isn't trashola. And I need to wear glasses to drive.
I honestly can't, at least, not in a normal gameplay scenario where I'm just sitting on the couch playing. Granted, like I mentioned in that Mikami thread, I'm a designer, not an artist or programmer, so maybe I haven't trained myself to notice those differences as easily. I do spend a lot of my time working in bland gray prototype rooms to test gameplay, so maybe that's why, lol

I can notice 30 vs. 60fps, low detail textures vs. high detail textures, 480p or lower vs. 720p or higher, crappier bitrate videos (youtube) vs. higher quality videos (Apple Trailers, Gamersyde)

But 720p vs. 1080p on a PC game running on my 55" TV from 8-10ft away? Unless I see the HUD change size or there's a lot of small in-game text or something, it seemed to be difficult for me to notice the difference. Maybe my TV has an awesome scaler in it? Maybe it depends on the specific type of game running? I dunno.

This isn't to take away anything from those who can spot the differences, but just saying that I don't think it's as universally obvious to all end users as some may think.

It's kinda like how some could notice the difference between a 128kbps MP3 and a 256-320kbps MP3, but couldn't easily notice the difference between a 256-320kbps MP3 and a FLAC or WAV file or something.

Tsundere said:
Maybe he's developing an Xbox One game? =p
I've only seen our current game running on a PS4 devkit so far :p
 

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Every single Xbox 360 game says 1080p on the back of the box because the 360 has a scaler that beats the pants off of the PS3...

Doesn't make any of them native 1080p...

OT: after reading famous' new blog I'm pretty convinced its true...didn't want to believe it..but I'm buying it now...

If I'm Sony I'm screaming this from the rooftops...I'm making sure its clear to EVERYONE that the PS4 is the exclusive home of 1080p shooters at launch...
 

Nightengale

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If true, Infinity Ward must be pretty angry that they aren't allowed the privilege of post-Gold champagne, and have to keep crunching for that 1080p up-res.
 

Tamanon

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We're not near the end of development, the discs are printed and out in the wild for the Xbox one edition. Day one patches to make a game render an extra 125% of pixels is laughable.
Which makes it even more laughable that MS wouldn't know every detail about the game.
 

Chobel

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It's disrespectful because it presumes Albert knowingly obfuscated. And it also assumes the resolution is the direct result of a power difference. There's another reason that could have caused it and was rumored by Cboat during the summer.
Maybe you need to read what Albert Penello said before you say this. He said there will be no difference in games between PS4 and Xbox One. 720p/1080p is a difference.
 

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and we still have people who doubt Cboat?

They guy clearly stated that there was 20% performance reduction on X1 dev kits.
 

stonesak

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Maybe you need to read what Albert Penello said before you say this. He said there will be no difference in games between PS4 and Xbox One. 720p/1080p is a difference.
I believe Albert even asked for an apology from us if the games came out and there was no difference.
 

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It's disrespectful because it presumes Albert knowingly obfuscated. And it also assumes the resolution is the direct result of a power difference. There's another reason that could have caused it and was rumored by Cboat during the summer.
Penello has previously asked whether he'll receive apologies or concessions if the only difference between multiplatform games is single digit deltas in framerate. After a long post downplaying the power difference between the two systems. I'd say twice the resolution, if it comes to pass, trumps single digit fps differences. I don't see why asking in kind amounts to being disrespectful.

And on something of an aside: The idea that he or Jaffe or Jstevenson or Pachter or any of the other industry people who post on here should be held to any different standard or given any special treatment is odd.

If they choose to post here, their posts are subject to the same scrutiny as everyone else's.
 

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Albert, just wanted to say that I think you're doing a good job.

You can't let nobody hold you down. You can't let nobody take your pride. Ya gotta keep on moving past these haters.
I agree that was a good explanation. And even with all the flack people give, I admire how he's holding up through this.
 

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Then he shouldn't be posting nonstop in these rumor threads. Larry doesn't. Albert is just digging a deep hole for himself and the Xbox One right now.
I actually PM'd Albert a month or more ago, and suggested he just stay out of the technical discussions, because I honestly felt it was doing him (and the XB1) no good.

He would be much better off just providing a reinforcing presence at a place like this. For example, go into the XB1 buyers thread and engage the community. Tell them how great you think the dashboard is gonna be, share your favorite launch games, etc.

Going into the trenches of technical warfare, when you're representing the weaker of the two consoles? Hell no. Nothing good is going to come of that, and yet here he is, still banging his head into the same wall. I'm genuinely confused at the strategy.
 

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And on something of an aside: The idea that he or Jaffe or Jstevenson or Pachter or any of the other industry people who post on here should be held to any different standard or given any special treatment is odd.
This.

I understand being appreciative of the fact that industry people post here, but sometimes there's some double standard going on. It's like those people are put on a higher pedestal, just because they're in the 'inside' of things.
 

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I actually PM'd Albert a month or more ago, and suggested he just stay out of the technical discussions, because I honestly felt it was doing him (and the XB1) no good. It was having the exact opposite effect of what I think he intended.

He would be much better off just providing a reinforcing presence at a place like this. For example, go into the XB1 buyers thread and engage the community. Tell them how great you think the dashboard is gonna be, share your favorite launch games, etc.

Going into the trenches of technical warfare, when you're representing the weaker of the two consoles? Hell no. Nothing good is going to come of that, and yet here he is, still banging his head into the same wall. I'm genuinely confused at the strategy.
Exactly. Larry's first posts were in a positive thread. Nothing technical about the Xbox One or its games.
 

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I actually PM'd Albert a month or more ago, and suggested he just stay out of the technical discussions, because I honestly felt it was doing him (and the XB1) no good. It was having the exact opposite effect of what I think he intended.

He would be much better off just providing a reinforcing presence at a place like this. For example, go into the XB1 buyers thread and engage the community. Tell them how great you think the dashboard is gonna be, share your favorite launch games, etc.

Going into the trenches of technical warfare, when you're representing the weaker of the two consoles? Hell no. Nothing good is going to come of that, and yet here he is, still banging his head into the same wall. I'm genuinely confused at the strategy.
Reminds me of the scene in Indiana Jones with the guy with the mad sword skills, does indy have a swordfight? no way he's too smart for that. So c'mon Albert use the Kinect and media don't go into a swordfight when your armed with a spoon.
 
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Eh, Microsoft knows every intimate detail of the XBOne port of Ghosts. They'd be insane not to be plugged into the major third parties releasing their first games for their next flagship console. It doesn't even make sense that they wouldn't be appraised of weekly, and probably daily now that we're near "go time", updates of the progress of each game.
...They're not holding weekly meetings at Microsoft Studios informing everybody with a office what resolution these games are running at. The guys who helped get DR3 stable probably know, but everybody outside of the unit dealing with third parties directly? I doubt it. Phil has his own launch titles to worry about.
 

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Albert is most likely correct in what he says, by the way.

Legal teams and PR teams can be very demanding and controlling.

However, Albert if you read this, I don't think you do yourself any favours in the way you defend actions you take!

You're turning yourself into a Pachter. Everyone dismisses everything you say and soon enough they'll start doing it without even stopping to think about what you've said - and most of the time what you'll be saying with make sense, especially from a business perspective, but as those people won't stop to think they'll automatically get on your case.

My advice to you - if you can't say anything - don't say anything. Don't make excuses about oh my friend knows and I called him but he won't tell me.

It sounds lame to the laymen - even though I know it is likely true (at least in that your friend is following correct protocol but hell I'd be pissed at my friend if he was sticking to rules like that).

If I'm Sony I'm screaming this from the rooftops...I'm making sure its clear to EVERYONE that the PS4 is the exclusive home of 1080p shooters at launch...
They don't have a shooter tutorial game on the PS4 for nothing!
 

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On that note, Albert, any idea when you and your colleagues are going to deliver on the promises of :

- chart that explains Kinect functionality across countries on day 1
- UI walkthrough
- PS4 vs XB1 power difference blog post ( this was Larry.)
 

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How come knowledge of a game isn't limited to a few people at Sony? Adam was proud to tell the whole world Ghosts runs at 1080p today. And you can't get even your own good friend to tell you the resolution of the XB1 version, even if you kept it secret?

I don't believe it one bit.
Seriously dude? Come on, you can't honestly expect Albert to know absolutely anything about what goes on behind closed doors at Sony. Also, clearly you and a lot of other people do not know what it's like to work with a major organization. They are compartmentalized to the max. Every department doesn't know everything about every other department and sometimes if you do know something you don't speak about it or your job is done. Even if he did know tge res of cod do you think Albert would say anything on Gaf just to gain some "core" gamer Internet points at the cost of pissing off his boss or another higher up?
 

RoboPlato

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On that note, Albert, any idea when you and your colleagues are going to deliver on the promises of :

- chart that explains Kinect functionality across countries on day 1
- UI walkthrough
- PS4 vs XB1 power difference blog post ( this was Larry.)


Something like this coming from Major Nelson will be fun.