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[Insomniac Leak]Sony plans to bring PS+ to PC, browser, mobile and TVs
Puscifer
Member
Why are you all so concerned with console sales lol
FalsettoVibe
Member
Makes sense.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No, you got this backwards. The biggest money makers by far are PS+ subscriptions and microtransactions. Hardware sales are a portion and are there to serve as a gateway to the Playstation ecosystem. Sony is now looking at way to attract people to the Playstation ecosystem without relying on the consoles.
Look at this. PSN+MTX make up almost 50% of their revenues. If they manage to expand onto other devices, they would represent an even bigger part.
That's my point. PSN+MTX wouldn't make up 50% of their revenues without the console. Anything else they do from here is adding a cherry at the top. The meat and potatoes of their revenue will come from people that purchase a PS5\PS5 Pro\PS6.
Pushing the console to the side to make this side money will only be a loser for Sony. They need to use these extra endeavors to be new pillars "in addition" to the console. They shouldn't want to replace the console.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Looks like they are going to take a crack at it again with the 3 tier subs.
PS sub plans already on PC and they had PS Now on TVs years ago. Oddly they ditched it some reason, even on Sony TVs.
But looks like it'll come back down the line. No different than MS going GP on multiple devices too.
PS sub plans already on PC and they had PS Now on TVs years ago. Oddly they ditched it some reason, even on Sony TVs.
But looks like it'll come back down the line. No different than MS going GP on multiple devices too.
Woopah
Member
For subscriptions you definitely have a point (although you'd have to ask how many people would subscribe if you didn't need it to play online).No, you got this backwards. The biggest money makers by far are PS+ subscriptions and microtransactions. Hardware sales are a portion and are there to serve as a gateway to the Playstation ecosystem. Sony is now looking at way to attract people to the Playstation ecosystem without relying on the consoles.
Look at this. PSN+MTX make up almost 50% of their revenues. If they manage to expand onto other devices, they would represent an even bigger part.
But Sony's revenue in MTX comes from being the platform holder. That 1.8 billion is all the add on revenue generated by every single game available on PS (first and third party).
Making that much money from their own add on content would be very very difficult.
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Woopah
Member
They definitely communicated this year, including their big annual showcase in May and several States of Play throughout the year.
Physiognomonics
Member
Because it worked so well for Xbox.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Way to devalue the PlayStation brand.
I'm not happy about this.
I'm not happy about this.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I legitimately don't think they can afford that.
Fabieter
Member
Why?
StereoVsn
Member
As long as it’s optional. I have had enough stupid custom launchers that breaks older games (hey Rockst*r).
Tripolygon
Banned
They can, they have done dual and triple entitlement before across PS3, PS Vita and PS4. Question is are developers willing to go for it. You've already bought the game, why not allow you to play it on any platform you choose? Capitalism.
StereoVsn
Member
Because unlike MS, Phil’s equivalent at Sony (whoever is the replacement) doesn’t have Uncle Satya to ask for a cool $80 billion+.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They don't have a parent company with a kind of disposable income like microsoft, also going by the recent leaks, they like to make PC ports for cheap for higher revenue on them after the console version comes out. I might be wrong, but that's the impression I get.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because Playstation is mainly a business that thrives on the console itself. It's the roots of the tree. Without it, Playstation doesn't exist. It's not that hard to understand.
Sushi_Combo
Member
Definitely going full in on analysis on how it happened.Crazy leaks, I wonder if any heads will roll at Insomniac for the poor data security.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Yeah it just can't come at the expense of games, though. Ultimately PlayStation is a gaming brand first whether Sony likes it or not. The games have to be spectacular, consistent (in quality and quantity), and varied.
As long as they can keep doing that none of the other points of expansion are a concern. If they start prioritizing the gaming content on platforms that can create cannibalization of console hardware sales, that is their problem from that point forward. They would need to have some monetization model which keeps the revenue high and maybe increases profit margins but, again, the quality and quantity on the 1P games better dare not slip.
Assuming how soon they want to start aggressively pushing expansion in these areas, anyway. They need at least another strong gen focused primarily & heavily on the console with VR/AR as a default part of the experience first, before maximizing the limits of game design and production value development IMO. That's another 10 - 15 years from now before gaming hits a point where the hardware finally doesn't matter.
Yep, this is absolutely correct, and why Microsoft console sales being down doesn't seem to be translating into less revenue for Microsoft Gaming. Console sales are important because you lock players into your ecosystem and sell them things on your store, but the console itself almost never makes profit unless you are Nintendo. Sony is going to go after the PC ports, subscription services, and streaming money too, but
Don't tell the console warriors!
No. Xbox revenue not being down is because they've been buying massive 3P publishers and IP (Mojang/Minecraft, then Zenimax, now ABK) and folding their revenue into the Xbox division's while having different accounting practices so Xbox as a division doesn't have to take upfront losses on costs for those purchases.
It's got little to do with stuff like Game Pass being a massive hit...which is mostly isn't.
If they're careful. Or, they could end up with another PS3 on their hands. And it doesn't have to be due to an overengineered (but way ahead of its time tech-wise) console, either.
Remember other Sony divisions at the time were pushing their stuff through SIE with PS3 and that's a big reason the first few years were so rough, plus why it costed so much initially. The Blu-Ray drive was the most expensive singular component in PS3 systems.
Sony actually needs their gaming revenue because it's a main pillar of the company as a whole.
Microsoft could shut down all their gaming initiatives tomorrow and their stocks would probably go up. Not to mention they make almost 19x their gaming revenue annually through their other divisions, which are the ones that actually matter to them.
In other words: people should stop asking SIE to mirror MS's entire gaming business model when it's only sustainable for the latter and not the former.
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Sentenza
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The Pleasure
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Spyxos
Member
I hope not, I like steaming but I also want the consoles to stay as long as possible.
Puscifer
Member
I mean yeah I get that my enjoyment comes from sales, it's just always so weird to take it *personally* like that.
Woopah
Member
I'd be pretty certain Nintendo will be conducting similar exercises and reviews. It's good business sense to do so.
At some point, there would have been Nintendo presentations asking "could we profit by by leveraging our IP through theme parks" or "is there money to be made by putting our franchises on mobile"
Sony has been ahead of MS on the game streaming front for years.
Information from the Insomniac leak, they will greatly expand the current service like Xbox does.
Wouldn't surprise me if MS paid Samsung a billion or two to lock in Gamepass on Samsung TVs for at least a timed exclusivity period. Bravia+fire TV+android TV is a reasonable market expansion.
No need if they are selling 20+ million PS5s per year?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
You do get to sell subscriptions PC players will often not pay for and you get that sweet sweet royalties on every game sold (3rd party included) and their DLC. Apologies, did not mean to interrupt your trollingYep, this is absolutely correct, and why Microsoft console sales being down doesn't seem to be translating into less revenue for Microsoft Gaming. Console sales are important because you lock players into your ecosystem and sell them things on your store, but the console itself almost never makes profit unless you are Nintendo. Sony is going to go after the PC ports, subscription services, and streaming money too, but
Don't tell the console warriors!
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Psst Psst a lot of that comes from 3rd parties who only pay any fees from console sales. If Sony were to move tons of players to PC, great job… Valve would be super happyNo, you got this backwards. The biggest money makers by far are PS+ subscriptions and microtransactions. Hardware sales are a portion and are there to serve as a gateway to the Playstation ecosystem. Sony is now looking at way to attract people to the Playstation ecosystem without relying on the consoles.
Look at this. PSN+MTX make up almost 50% of their revenues. If they manage to expand onto other devices, they would represent an even bigger part.
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IAmNotFromDelaware
Member
Is that Deathstroke?People are just in denial because they don't want this shit to happen.
tmlDan
Member
This is what they should be doing, even if they don't put their first party games on PS+ day one it would be awesome if they would simultaneously go on PC/console on PS+ like HFW did in the future. They can even charge a bit more for cross platform progression and usage. I'd pay to play a lot of PC eligible games on PC.
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Fabieter
Member
Their own store would also have a possibility of bigger profit and their own 3p sales on pc.
iHaunter
Member
YES! I have a Sony A95K. I would LOVE to just be able to play games on it alone.
StereoVsn
Member
It won’t be enough to offset loss of additional sales. These recent leaks showed $400mil+ revenue off just the ports.
That’s a lot of additional copies to sell in compensation plus the cost of running their own store.
twilo99
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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twilo99
Member
Isn't it ironic that Sony is allowed to open a store in an ecosystem (Windows) entirely build and paid for by their main competitor?
ReBurn
Gold Member
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
FWIW, Sony did stuff like game streaming and such way before Microsoft ever touched it. But I do agree in a sense.
They've done those things yes but it's not been at the expense of massively prioritizing their console. The games they put on mobile, for example, are very different from the ones they design for their own systems even if similar IP are being leveraged. And they still make several games with smaller budgets and massive profit margins.
They aren't doing things like putting their console games on a competing platform with almost all the same 3P titles like what Sony are doing or especially what Microsoft has done the past several years. So they're retaining more value within the ecosystem they have the most control over, better than Sony/SIE and much better than Microsoft are.
But when you realize Microsoft have many vested interests in PC even if they don't own Steam directly, their willingness to let Xbox lose value is a lot more understandable. Sony and Nintendo don't have those same vested interests, but Sony seem willing to take a similar route anyway and in some ways that is critically unfortunate.
Not if they continue to put their games on Steam. Even if PS+ on PC had much better features than Steam out of the gate (not likely), better features can only get you so far if you don't have exclusive content.
Just ask Xbox how that's going for them.
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