SegaSnatcher
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Well it wasn't trash in 2020.
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Intel and AMD next gen CPU delay to 2027
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Its a Ryzen r5-3600 - r7-3800 there about equivalent CPU.
How is it in any way a trash CPU considering the PS5 launched in 2020?
You could easily still be running a 36,7,8 CPU today and breeze through most games on PC with all the overhead that comes with.
A locked 60 is still easy work for these CPUs, 120fps might be a stretch in some game but its far from being a trash CPU
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Radical_3d
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From our colleague and friend:
Von Hugh
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I paid 570 euros for 9800X3D one year ago and my thinking process was that I upgrade the CPU so rarely that I might as well go balls deep. When you buy the best one, all your ruminations will stop right there whether CPU A or CPU B would have been better instead. No regrets so far. Cuts through everything like hot knife through butter.
And with this delay, looks like my purchase has been really good.
And with this delay, looks like my purchase has been really good.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
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I am so glad I got my new pc up just before all this went to shit.
SegaSnatcher
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Never said it was trash, was replying to the person who said that. In 2020 it was more than suitable for the PS5. Yeah, its not great in 2026, but still not horrible. Zen 2 in 2020 was way better than those awful Jaguar cores in 2013.
phant0m
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Yup. My 5800X3D + 7900XT still easily chew through everything I throw at them at 4K, and tbh the GPU is taxed much more than the CPU in most games.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yes I was just quoting you to agree with you and add more context.
That cat calling it trash is delusional.
MiguelItUp
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I'm so glad my PC will be up to snuff for a long while. There's small things I'd like to improve here and there, but all that can wait.
cinnamonandgravy
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want to upgrade for fun, but my 12700k still under 50% utilization for basically everything
Loxus
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From our colleague and friend:
In the grand scheme of things, no hope.
At this point I just excepted reality.
Open AI Stargate project has 9 AI Data Center Sites and only 2 are temporary stalled.
United States
Abilene, Texas (Taylor County) – 1.2 GW planned across 8 buildings; Phase 1 (~200 MW) live since Sept 2025 with ~100,000 Nvidia GB200 GPUs; expansion up to +600 MW. Advanced via Oracle bilateral deal; no joint venture issues.
Shackelford County, Texas (Vantage Frontier) – 1.4 GW planned, first building online in 2026; Oracle leases servers and runs site; no joint venture involved.
Doña Ana County, New Mexico ("Project Jupiter") – 1 GW scalable, 4 buildings on 1,400 acres; 18-year Oracle lease; construction in 2026; no joint venture stall.
Port Washington, Wisconsin – 1.3 GW planned under Oracle + Vantage; development underway, operational in 2026; no joint venture issues.
Lordstown, Ohio & Milam County, Texas – ~1.5 GW planned combined; SoftBank-led, renewable integration in Milam; both sites restructured after joint venture friction, with Milam directly impacted.
International
UAE (Stargate UAE) – 1 GW total, 200 MW initial by 2026; built with G42, Oracle, Nvidia, Cisco; separate international partnership, not stalled.
Narvik, Norway – 230–520 MW, hydropower and liquid cooling; 100,000 GPUs by end-2026; no joint venture issues.
UK (Stargate UK, Cobalt Park) – 8,000, scalable to 31,000 GPUs; sovereign UK compute; expansion via Nscale; no joint venture involved.
This is only Open AI, you still have AI Data Centers from Meta, Amazon, Google and Microsoft.
The only hope is some kind of virus that frequently corrupt models.
hardwood007
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Are you playing at 4K native or using fsr with that setup?
One of my rigs is running a 5800X3D+7900XTX
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
IF they dont launch with bLLC they are gonna get clowned by AMD and the X3Ds in the days following release.
Assuming they are both presenting at CES2027 whoever is presenting second has the advantage of knowing what the competish is doing and where they stand.
I doubt Intel cares about pricing, but they will care about trying to take back the gaming crown......and they need bLLC for that......unless AMD dont launch with X3Ds.
phant0m
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Depends on the game. For older stuff, native 4K is fine. For upscaling, I prefer XeSS if it's available.
Otherwise with FSR quality + framegen I'll easily clear 100 fps
b0uncyfr0
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What difference does it make though? Intel is still producing shit tier chips right - the best bang for buck/pure performance gaming option for the last 5 years have been AMD.
How is that gonna change in a years time Have Intel suddenly decided to deliver something worth buying?
How is that gonna change in a years time Have Intel suddenly decided to deliver something worth buying?
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Draugoth
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In the grand scheme of things, no hope.
At this point I just excepted reality.
Open AI Stargate project has 9 AI Data Center Sites and only 2 are temporary stalled.
United States
Abilene, Texas (Taylor County) – 1.2 GW planned across 8 buildings; Phase 1 (~200 MW) live since Sept 2025 with ~100,000 Nvidia GB200 GPUs; expansion up to +600 MW. Advanced via Oracle bilateral deal; no joint venture issues.
Shackelford County, Texas (Vantage Frontier) – 1.4 GW planned, first building online in 2026; Oracle leases servers and runs site; no joint venture involved.
Doña Ana County, New Mexico ("Project Jupiter") – 1 GW scalable, 4 buildings on 1,400 acres; 18-year Oracle lease; construction in 2026; no joint venture stall.
Port Washington, Wisconsin – 1.3 GW planned under Oracle + Vantage; development underway, operational in 2026; no joint venture issues.
Lordstown, Ohio & Milam County, Texas – ~1.5 GW planned combined; SoftBank-led, renewable integration in Milam; both sites restructured after joint venture friction, with Milam directly impacted.
International
UAE (Stargate UAE) – 1 GW total, 200 MW initial by 2026; built with G42, Oracle, Nvidia, Cisco; separate international partnership, not stalled.
Narvik, Norway – 230–520 MW, hydropower and liquid cooling; 100,000 GPUs by end-2026; no joint venture issues.
UK (Stargate UK, Cobalt Park) – 8,000, scalable to 31,000 GPUs; sovereign UK compute; expansion via Nscale; no joint venture involved.
This is only Open AI, you still have AI Data Centers from Meta, Amazon, Google and Microsoft.
The only hope is some kind of virus that frequently corrupt models.
LLMs are a dead end. This whole venture is just making the development of an actual AI (if it's possible) much longer.
MCH2024
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bLLC is single CCD too. Think:
Ultra X9 495K: 16M+36E bLLC
Ultra X7 490K: 14M+28E bLLC
Ultra 9 485K: 8M+20E bLLC
Ultra 7 465K: 8M+16E bLLC
AMD sucks. There will be no clowning on Intel anymore. B tier firms are doomed to compete with each other for eternity.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
As long as they got bLLC at launch im game.
Id really like a u5 bLLC but im guessing im finally gonna have to nut up and buy a u7.
I cant justify the entry price of the u9.
The initial rumors of u5s being 8P had me hype but its looking more likely that the u5 is gonna be 6P with no bLLC option at all.......which I think is stupid.
The u5/i5/r5 segment of the market has always been the best bang for buck which is why ive been in it since the jump.
Xdrive05
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As this hardware stagnation continues b/c of A.I. woes, new generations of CPUs will also be in less demand. Not to mention frame generation is undermining the need for higher end CPUs as well, solving 1% lows caused from CPU bottlenecking.
Then again, shader compilation and traversal stutters are still a thing with a lot of UE5 games. Faster CPUs can help with that I guess. AMD and Intel should give CPU sales kickbacks to Epic at this point.
Even my humble 32GB AM4 system with 5700X3d is still handling everything perfectly with room to spare.
Then again, shader compilation and traversal stutters are still a thing with a lot of UE5 games. Faster CPUs can help with that I guess. AMD and Intel should give CPU sales kickbacks to Epic at this point.
Even my humble 32GB AM4 system with 5700X3d is still handling everything perfectly with room to spare.
MCH2024
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Not on the roadmap.
AMD is only selling crippled 3D CPUs (Zen3 and Zen4) below 450$. Intel is using a big N2P Die for bLLC, so they won't sell it as Ultra 5.
Ultra 5 still gets a lot of Nova Lake's goodies though. (Smaller, faster ring bus, shared L2 for P cores, etc).
BlackTron
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I recently acquired a 3080ti and am figuring out the best way to make a system around it. This will be my first AM5 build, and the intention is to maintain the mobo and RAM even should I eventually want a CPU/GPU change.
I assumed I would try to get something with 3D cache, but the 7600X really doesn't look bad at all and is extremely affordable. Like, less than half the cost of a 7800X3D, and I don't plan to be doing CAD on it. I'm skeptical I will even notice the 7600X making a difference in a few years on next gen games and feel any need to change it even then.
You can get a Newegg combo with a 7600X, B650M mobo and 16GB DDR5 ram for $430. Which is just a little bit more than the price of a X3D processor by itself. But I haven't used AMD since an Athlon64 so I'm open to what the more experienced think.
I assumed I would try to get something with 3D cache, but the 7600X really doesn't look bad at all and is extremely affordable. Like, less than half the cost of a 7800X3D, and I don't plan to be doing CAD on it. I'm skeptical I will even notice the 7600X making a difference in a few years on next gen games and feel any need to change it even then.
You can get a Newegg combo with a 7600X, B650M mobo and 16GB DDR5 ram for $430. Which is just a little bit more than the price of a X3D processor by itself. But I haven't used AMD since an Athlon64 so I'm open to what the more experienced think.
Sanepar
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If Amd sucks, imagine intel... and even if they are fast they will consume double TDP.
Hyet
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I want one but it's fucking extinct... I would totally go for a 9800X3D if I didn't have to upgrade to AM5...
CobraAB
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Hyet
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Got my PC in 2020, I was M4 bound I guess. And 5800X3D is still pretty good. Heard somewhere there are rumours they release it again and announce it at Computex but I dunno how reliable that is.
kittoo
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Given the current semiconductor space and how good the 5800x3d performs, it might not be a bad idea to release it at a good price.
Bojji
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Hyet
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Oh so It was true after all? Do we know any dates?They are releasing it
Bojji
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Ryzen 7 5800X3D AM4 10th Anniversary Edition surfaces online for $310 — return of iconic gaming CPU for budget builders seems imminent
The GOAT of gaming CPUs returns
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Gameplay Gods Bless
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I have a 9850X3D and I'm gonna upgrade to Zen 6 when it comes out.
PeteBull
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Urs is just oced version of 9800x3d and its like 40$ more expensive or so(literally 420 vs 460, just checked on https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/ , zen6 top gaming cpu will come who knows when and no idea what perf uplift we gonna see so hard to speculate there(usually 15% increase is considered big).
In the end its ur hard earned money so ofc u can do what u want with it
Hell if i was upgrading from some old cpu(say my previous one so 8700k from end of 2017) i would do same thing- go with urs, since its current bis and barely any difference in price (not much difference in performance altho even that 5% on avg is worth it for that tiny price increase imo).
Notice 1% lows difference can be much bigger difference, up to 20%, but it was lower too so might be simply case of 1 particular test run and not so much repeatable, hence i gotta stick to avg fps increase around 5% since its more repeatable.
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winjer
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Are you always running native 4K, or using FSR/XeSS to upscale?
If it's native, the difference will be small. Though it will improve minimums in CPU bound scenes.
You might want to put that money into a new GPU instead.
RaZoR No1
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If the GPU can handle it, native 4k 60 fps otherwise I use FSR.
Unfortunately I cannot really use VRR etc. because the PC is connected to the Sony XH90 TV which turns off the FALD Backlight or halves the vertical resolution...
A new GPU?
maybe someday.
I already spent too much money on the main PC ...
winjer
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If you are targeting only 60 fps, then that 5700X will probably do fine for the vast majority of games.