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[Maninthemirror]

Theory my 14 year old cousin came up with as he read up on black holes and wormholes before he saw it with me:


Black holes are gateways to another universe or another dimension:

He says there are 3 scenarios

1. Before the wormhole scenario happened. earth was dying and there was no plan A or plan B. a scientist like Dr Brand or Brand himself created 1 plan to get people off this earth into the ship we see at the end of the movie. It travels far and humans evolve into beings which are call upon the 5th dimension, something happens in the future that they believe its better for the past to get saved and put onto the planet like Hathaway as their past for a better future.

2. The black hole is another dimension which is another scientific theory, an alternate reality. the humans in that reality have an earth which thrives and is not dying. they evolve to an extent that they can call upon the fifth dimension and also open wormholes, of course due to event horizon they themselves cannot get past the black hole but they can send a wormhole close enough for human contact. its their way of saving their alternative lives where they see coop as the pilot to drive them to the planet and murph to launch the ship

3. the humans are moving underground in the movie. they like in planet of the apes evolve to an extent they see they can save humanity by opening a black hole and a wormhole to shift humanity from its past to a better future where they are not bound under the earth but where they can see sunlight and thrive.

 

[glaurung]

Insomnia - D-

This last line of your post invalidated anything you said in it.

But I respect your opinion.

 

[Maninthemirror]

how anyone can say this has more exposition than inception is beyond me. the concepts were not as simple as inception. If the viewer was not being explained how they were aging, people would be asking, how did that happen. I mean which part do people who complained about exposition were overtly expositioned which would have been better off not explaining? You would either be a major in theoritical physist to say there was too much exposition

 

[KevinG]

Posted this in the OT:

I keep seeing people "rolling their eyes" because of the "love transcends all" message. I found that to be the core of the story, the crux on which the whole film works, and it works beautifully.

Might end up being my absolute favorite Nolan film, and that's saying a lot considering that The Dark Knight is my absolute favorite film, period.


Further thoughts for here:

The exposition was essential to inform the audience of basic physics. The film introduces quantum mechanics in the third act, and without the preceding expositional dialogue these concepts would be completely lost on the audience. In fact, these are already lofty concepts that even I will need to rewatch the film to understand fully how Nolan is approaching it. If he is pulling the mystery card on us, then so be it. Suspension of disbelief is the core of enjoying great science fiction, and I found that this film required the perfect blend of being grounded in reality and said suspension.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Posted this in the OT:

I keep seeing people "rolling their eyes" because of the "love transcends all" message. I found that to be the core of the story, the crux on which the whole film works, and it works beautifully.

Might end up being my absolute favorite Nolan film, and that's saying a lot considering that The Dark Knight is my absolute favorite film, period.


Further thoughts for here:

The exposition was essential to inform the audience of basic physics. The film introduces quantum mechanics in the third act, and without the preceding expositional dialogue these concepts would be completely lost on the audience. In fact, these are already lofty concepts that even I will need to rewatch the film to understand fully how Nolan is approaching it. If he is pulling the mystery card on us, then so be it. Suspension of disbelief is the core of enjoying great science fiction, and I found that this film required the perfect blend of being grounded in reality and said suspension.

precisely. you cannot complain about exposition and then ask how did they age 23 years.

 

[glaurung]

The exposition was essential to inform the audience of basic physics. The film introduces quantum mechanics in the third act, and without the preceding expositional dialogue these concepts would be completely lost on the audience. In fact, these are already lofty concepts that even I will need to rewatch the film to understand fully how Nolan is approaching it. If he is pulling the mystery card on us, then so be it. Suspension of disbelief is the core of enjoying great science fiction, and I found that this film required the perfect blend of being grounded in reality and said suspension.

I liked how gingerly the science part of science fiction was handled. People explain how things should work and then they work like they were explained.

The greatest disservice this movie is going to receive from now on until the end of time is the constant comparisons with Contact.

I liked the movie. Its emotional impact far outweighed any inconsistencies or plot holes.

 

[speedpop]

So many people in this thread trying to hard to hate on the movie.
Damn, opinions, everyone has one.

I feel it's a Masterwork for this decade. Not many movies with this budget try to attempt something like this nowadays. I got that Nolan was the "ghost" when he kept showing interest in the black hole and how everyone as putting up the premise that the inside of a black hole beyond the event horizon could explain Gravity and Time as dimensions.

But other than that, I guess I have a weakness for Space movies. Gravity last year took my heart and now Interstellar got into my top 10 of all time

Fucking loved the movie, the photography, the music, the plot.

9.8/10 for me

I'm sitting with you on this one.

I watched the teaser happy to see another serious attempt at sci-fi and avoided all of the trailers. Going in blind was great. Some amazing scenes and shots coupled with the fact that I was watching an entertaining film first and foremost and not judging it on what it is trying to imitate or supersede or whatever.

I'll gladly slot it on the shelf alongside 2001, Contact, Sunshine, and Gravity.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I liked how gingerly the science part of science fiction was handled. People explain how things should work and then they work like they were explained.

The greatest disservice this movie is going to receive from now on until the end of time is the constant comparisons with Contact.

I liked the movie. Its emotional impact far outweighed any inconsistencies or plot holes.

the science part was mostly scientific theories. the moment the rocket lifted, we went into scientific THEORIES mode like cryogenic sleep and onwards. Nolan worked with those theories.,

the best part. No sound in space.....that was perfect

 

[glaurung]

I'm sitting with you on this one.

I watched the teaser happy to see another serious attempt at sci-fi and avoided all of the trailers. Going in blind was great. Some amazing scenes and shots coupled with the fact that I was watching an entertaining film first and foremost and not judging it on what it is trying to imitate or supersede or whatever.

I'll gladly slot it on the shelf alongside 2001, Contact, Sunshine, and Gravity.

Agreed.

However, I find it amazing that Nolan has managed to create visuals more compelling than Gravity - without the use of nauseating 3D.

I applaud Nolan for that achievement.

 

[Nokterian]

the science part was mostly scientific theories. the moment the rocket lifted, we went into scientific THEORIES mode like cryogenic sleep and onwards. Nolan worked with those theories.,

the best part. No sound in space.....that was perfect

Yeah that part was amazing also. I love the whole theme around it. Another reason i love this movie because SPACE! I mean i never saw a blackhole in a movie in a majestic size like that and very accurate with the latest theories and scientific precision on screen in a movie.

 

[Boogiepop]

Haven't had a chance to dig through the full thread yet, but wanted to say I really enjoyed it. Definitely thought the acting wasn't great in a few scenes and I saw the twists coming a mile away for the most part, but it was damn beautiful and kept my attention despite the runtime. Really would've liked the scene in the black hole to not have dragged so much though.

Big question I had coming out of it: how exactly does humanity survive in those 50 or so years lost during the black hole scene? I thought the idea was to solve the gravity equation to essentially launch an ark to the new planet? But they seemed fine even though the planet was only just getting colonized. I was under the assumption that the issue that was causing the food problems was some sort of soil degradation or something, but I'm not sure what the problem was if "launch space stations" apparently solves it. I guess I probably missed something though.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Haven't had a chance to dig through the full thread yet, but wanted to say I really enjoyed it. Definitely thought the acting wasn't great in a few scenes and I saw the twists coming a mile away for the most part, but it was damn beautiful and kept my attention despite the runtime. Really would've liked the scene in the black hole to not have dragged so much though.

Big question I had coming out of it: how exactly does humanity survive in those 50 or so years lost during the black hole scene? I thought the idea was to solve the gravity equation to essentially launch an ark to the new planet? But they seemed fine even though the planet was only just getting colonized. I was under the assumption that the issue that was causing the food problems was some sort of soil degradation or something, but I'm not sure what the problem was if "launch space stations" apparently solves it. I guess I probably missed something though.

Dr Brand solved the sequence LONG ago. he didnt tell anyone because he didnt believe in plan A, only plan B which is what Matt Damon was saying

 

[djplaeskool]

I was under the assumption that the issue that was causing the food problems was some sort of soil degradation or something, but I'm not sure what the problem was if "launch space stations" apparently solves it. I guess I probably missed something though.

The issue had snowballed to a point where there was no reversing the problem. The blight was more than just a soil issue. That would make agriculture difficult, but still manageable. It was actively making staple crops extinct. By the time the movie starts, all that was left was corn, and that was on the way out. The way I interpreted it, the blight was hanging in the atmosphere, constantly mutating in a way that it would eventually completely nullify agriculture globally. Man can't save Earth, so we have to leave it.

 

[Nokterian]

What strike me the most is that after he got sucked in to the black hole in a 5h dimension. When his daughter finally solved it that he returned nearly 142 years later in orbit of saturn? And that his daughter was still alive but in hypersleep my mind is still a bit fuzzy but i need to rewatch it again.

 

[Maninthemirror]

What strike me the most is that after he got sucked in to the black hole in a 5h dimension. When his daughter finally solved it that he returned nearly 142 years later in orbit of saturn? And that his daughter was still alive but in hypersleep my mind is still a bit fuzzy but i need to rewatch it again.

123 and she was in cryo sleep

 

[HundredEyeMonk]

Theory my 14 year old cousin came up with as he read up on black holes and wormholes before he saw it with me:


Black holes are gateways to another universe or another dimension:

He says there are 3 scenarios

1. Before the wormhole scenario happened. earth was dying and there was no plan A or plan B. a scientist like Dr Brand or Brand himself created 1 plan to get people off this earth into the ship we see at the end of the movie. It travels far and humans evolve into beings which are call upon the 5th dimension, something happens in the future that they believe its better for the past to get saved and put onto the planet like Hathaway as their past for a better future.


3. the humans are moving underground in the movie. they like in planet of the apes evolve to an extent they see they can save humanity by opening a black hole and a wormhole to shift humanity from its past to a better future where they are not bound under the earth but where they can see sunlight and thrive.

I like this.

 

[Boogiepop]

Dr Brand solved the sequence LONG ago. he didnt tell anyone because he didnt believe in plan A, only plan B which is what Matt Damon was saying

I mean, I get that, but the idea was that they couldn't actively use the sequence without the data from the black hole, so that's why it's important that it got sent back to Murphy. But the whole idea of Plan A and why it was necessary to solve that was so they could launch a massive space ship/ark, yeah? But that was supposed to be for going to the new planet, which they obviously hadn't done yet at the end of the movie, and they seemed to be doing just fine in their space stations or whatever.

 

[Maninthemirror]

here is my theory to meld with my 14 year old cousins theory

its crazy but its Nolan like

The Wormhole is created by the future humanity where Dr Brand solves the equation, there is no plan A or B, there is just 1 plan to get as many off this planet as we can. they go into space and many futures pass and the future generations realise, they create a wormhole to the new area of planets where humans should live for a better future, but to get both humanities to surivive, the one on the ship and the one on earth. first man has to populate the planet which would create the black hole and fifth dimension to then send the message back to coop because by creating the wormhole the future earth see the anomoly that Dr Brand doesnt believe in plan A he only believes in Plan B whereas for their OWN future, plan A is also needed for their OWN survival..

 

[molnizzle]

$200m Hollywood blockbuster that faithfully explored some of the most "out there" aspects of theoretical physics that exist.

Any criticism is invalid.

 

[heliosRAzi]

I would actually take your opinion more seriously if you could spell and punctuate better.

And harping on the most petty of things:

the most petty of things

petty of things

spell and punctuate better

petty

I would take your opinion more seriously if you weren't harping on the most petty of things.

 

[djplaeskool]

The more I think about it, the more Interstellar basically becomes Final Fantasy XIII-2.

MM needed a moogle flying beside him in the 5th dimension going, THE TIMELINE IS CHANGING. KUPO~

 

[Mix Master]

matt damon is in this? the fuck?

 

[Haloid1177]

I liked it, was as good as Inception, but I liked it more, mainly for the cast and science elements. Only issue that stood out to me was the wormhole being created, seems like it creates questions about why the future humans didn't just fix the shit instead of creating a wormhole for us. I'm figuring it out the more I think, and it's making more sense, but that stuck out to me during the film.

The Anne Hathaway bit on love was really bad, IMO. I understand the message, but it was already in the movie with Cooper and Murph, I didn't feel like it needed to involve her as well, especially with how she explained it. Worst dialogue of the film. I didn't have a problem with the exposition either, felt like the content justified it for once.

 

[mdubs]

Holy man what a stinker.

Theirs different actors for the kids and Caine is still Caine SAME SHIRT LITERALLY but in a wheel chair to make him look old lol.
Water planet was just a bore. If they can just kinda ride the waves is their any danger?

No shit they used different actors for the kids, what did you expect.

Is this actually meant to be a serious comment about the water planet? Or do you just lack any reasoning skills at all? Of course they couldn't stay on the water planet considering they only survived because they were on the ship when the wave hit.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Holy man what a stinker.

Gotta echo what someone said before just felt nothing throughout the movie. Just a poor mans 2001. Watch that again instead of this. So many weird plot holes. Mm stumbles on the facility and Alfred's like OH BLOODY HELL WE ACTUALLY NEED A PILOT YEAH WOULD YOU LIKE A GO? Me and my dad were laughing our asses off too after 23 years. Theirs different actors for the kids and Caine is still Caine SAME SHIRT LITERALLY but in a wheel chair to make him look old lol. Matt Damon's reasoning for fighting coop did not really make sense to me or logical. They could have done that whole concept so much better.

But this movie is VERY 2001. In this case crazy person instead of crazy robot. And a weird meta 5th dimension type scene. Even that manages to be boring with the obvious "oh guess who moved the booookkssss?" Twist. And the life saving quantum data can be transferred through morse code? Really? Matt crazy Damon was just kind of a bore. Water planet was just a bore. If they can just kinda ride the waves is their any danger? Half this movie I'm just hoping the next thing is a bit more exciting. And what was the original crash with mm? They never even explain or come back to that.

Topher grace with the tire iron was funny. But what was his role even? A friend wanna be bf at the beginning? And omg mms grown up daughter was in that room I swear for 45 min just trying to find out about the watch. Good god that took forever. Same with the Matt Damon reveal. Both were so obvious with the music. I mean the music is practically a miscue 5 min before those twists. Theirs no surprise.

2001 felt measured but never long and it always had my interest. This isn't actively bad per se but it's just so boring and uninspired. I have no idea how anyone could say this is the best movie they've seen. Those people need to watch 2001.

so how many movies have you seen where they use the same actor playing a 10 year old and a 40 year old, there is too much incoherence in this one. can you go step by step?

 

[Daniel B·]

I was initially pleased to see Michael Caine (I'm a fan), but at now 81, Nolan should have cast someone else, as he slept walked through the majority of his role. If, in fact, his lack of vitality was actually just great acting and was supposed to reflect the great burden of secretely knowing that humanity couldn't be saved on Earth, it just made me dislike the movie even more. Nolan is now dead to me (didn't like his Batman movies either - give me Jack Nicholson's Joker, everyday of the week - sorry Heath, RIP).

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

matt damon is in this? the fuck?

You can't complain about casting reveals in a spoiler thread


It was a big surprise this wasn't leaked before the movie. Was genuinely surprised.

His casting was perfect

Spoiler

for making me think he was a good Mann

 

[jon bones]

yikes why are people so defensive in this thread? not like you personally made this...

in any case, i thought it was decent. some of the dialogue and exposition was clunky and poorly done but the concepts were explored well.

the chunk of the movie with the water planet, time dilation and videos from home was the best. great emotional beats there.

the 5th dimension part would have been a lot better if MM didn't overtly explain everything. wish nolan had more faith in the audience to put that stuff together themselves.

glad i didn't know damon was in it, that was a cool reveal.

tars stole the show and i'm really glad he didn't go evil on us.

fairly solid movie, will recommend to my nerd friends but can't see myself rewatching it.

 

[Haloid1177]

You can't complain about casting reveals in a spoiler thread


It was a big surprise this wasn't leaked before the movie. Was genuinely surprised.

His casting was perfect

Spoiler

for making me think he was a good Mann

Genuinely surprised he was in it? Because his casting was reported before the film even started shooting I believe.

 

[Guzim]

precisely. you cannot complain about exposition and then ask how did they age 23 years.

"Plot hole! They magically aged 23 years!!!"

 

[KingofGourds]

Just got out of a true IMAX screening. First impressions and nowhere near eloquent because I gotta think it over buuuuut...

In the kindest possible way, it felt like watching a drunk with only the sincerest intentions trying to fumble his girlfriend's bra off for three hours.

It entertains, it's stupid, it's unintentionally hilarious, but it breaks through at times into surprising clarity and sweetness that reminds you that this guy is alright when he's not off his head on Jack.

Now I gotta go eat something because I'm hungry as shiiiit.

 

[Maninthemirror]

This somehow proves my theory about the black hole might be right

http://www.livescience.com/27811-creating-mini-black-holes.html

 

[Mighty Chin]

$200m Hollywood blockbuster that faithfully explored some of the most "out there" aspects of theoretical physics that exist.

Any criticism is invalid.

Pack it up people, we're done here.

 

[djplaeskool]

glad i didn't know damon was in it, that was a cool reveal.

Best part about that was in the theater I was in, easily a half dozen people near me all gave whispered Team America, Maaatt Damoooon. hilarious moment.

$200m Hollywood blockbuster that faithfully explored some of the most "out there" aspects of theoretical physics that exist.

Any criticism is invalid.

I never thought that I would see abstract concepts like string theory, quantum physics, and 4th/5th dimensional space be physically portrayed.
One of the rare, truly mind-blowing moments in cinema.

 

[Cse]

Why did they need a rocket to leave Earth and dock with Endurance when those smaller vessels were perfectly capable of ascending into the atmosphere and into space?

Also, how were audio and video messages able to be transmitted across the wormhole into the foreign galaxy, while not even rudimentary data from the beacons could be transmitted to Earth?

 

[Astral Dog]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who never realized there were two robots. I only took note of TARS all movie.

I feel fucking retarded.

I 'got' everything else, every intricacy of the plot with Coop, the 5th dimension, everything.

I somehow just completely spaced and never realized there was a robot named CASE. What the fuck.

--

Killer visuals, amazing space vistas, really haunting, beautiful soundtrack. That third act was hokey as fuck, required real suspension of disbelief. I think I'm somewhat okay with love being a transcendent force in the universe, so I'm at peace with that, at least.

How the fuck are we supposed to believe Coop survived the pressure of the Black Hole, in either his ship or in a space suit, and then somehow get transported to Cooper Station? I can't wrap my head around that.

I experienced real suspense and practical heart palpitations during both the Wormhole and Black Hole sequences. Really fucking intense stuff.

lol, i was reading these comments and thought "What the hell is CASE"?
maybe a robot in the station.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Why did they need a rocket to leave Earth and dock with Endurance when those smaller vessels were perfectly capable of ascending into the atmosphere and into space?

Also, how were audio and video messages able to be transmitted across the wormhole into the foreign galaxy, while not even rudimentary data from the beacons could be transmitted to Earth?

Because they needed a bigger vessell to travel wormholes. The audio and video messages were sent in binaries in a one way direction, information like audio video could get into where coop was they could only transmit binaries (location) it was expositioned in the movie

 

[Magnus]

You're not the only one. I have no idea which one was CASE and what he did. I thought it was TARS the whole time

lol, i was reading these comments and thought "What the hell is CASE"?
maybe a robot in the station.

Thank goodness.

My friends have been tearing me a new one for not noticing. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Apparently CASE was helping them pilot, and actually had a different voice actor than TARS. I found it hard enough to tell when TARS was talking because its voice wasn't 'robotic' at all (which was cool), and because it sounded similar to some of the other unfamiliar actors.

Fuck.

But I think, by and large, it was TARS we usually saw actually running around and doing things, and that obviously played a critical role in the back half of the film with Coop and all. CASE was a nothing character by most accounts.

I'm sure that I heard the name said a couple of times in the film and probably thought the dialogue was something like "in case", etc. The sound mixing was a bit brutal in the IMAX theatres.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Why did they need a rocket to leave Earth and dock with Endurance when those smaller vessels were perfectly capable of ascending into the atmosphere and into space?

Also, how were audio and video messages able to be transmitted across the wormhole into the foreign galaxy, while not even rudimentary data from the beacons could be transmitted to Earth?

It's not a hard science science-fiction movie. Like most of Nolan's work, the events of the plot are largely symbolic (although his notoriously clunky dialog hides this fact).

He used the imagery and sound of the rocket to emphasize his sudden departure from his daughter's life. That was the important thing. The story can work around that (they didn't have any of those shuttles on Earth since they were all parked on Endurance -- although it doesn't matter why).

And he needed the theme of isolation on the other side for each of the three Lazarus guys, so there was no way to send back video. I'm sure they said something about radio transmutations getting caught in the black hole, but again, it doesn't matter why.

I've learned long ago that Nolan's films are only dressed as intellectual works. In reality, Interstellar (and TDKR before it) are big, dumb, Hollywood blockbusters, with some awesome visuals and some enjoyable, relatively shallow, thematic explorations.

I didn't know anything about Interstellar going in -- even avoided teasers -- but I knew enough to turn off my brain, sit back, and let the AV wash over me. I had a blast.

 

[subrock]

Holy fuck this was the best movie of our generation. Just incredible. The middle of the black hole thing was a little hokey, but I suppose we can't prove that doesn't happen.

 

[Maninthemirror]

can anyone explain matt damons true motivation apart from what I think it is that he just went crazy?


also found another theory online

What if in the original timeline Cooper goes into the black hole and dies there. Murph never receives any message. They do not solve gravity. Plan A fails. Everyone on Earth dies. Brand (Anne Hathaway) is the last member of mankind still alive. On Edmunds' planet she grows the fertilized eggs they had brought with them on the Endurance. She succeeds with plan B. The new humans live on that planet. Eventually they become more technologically advanced than we were back on Earth, and at some point in the future they attain such a deep understanding of the universe that they evolve to live in a higher dimension, the bulk. There they perceive love physically, love has a tangible existence in this higher dimension. They perceive the love that linked humans back on Earth a long, long time ago. And then out of love they devise a way to allow these humans to keep living too, some of whom were their ancestors, their great-great-...-great-grand-parents. They perceive the strong love that linked Cooper and his daughter. They realize they can save the humans who lived on Earth by enabling Cooper to communicate with his daughter from inside that black hole, through the link that bound them together. Once Cooper succeeds they send him back near Saturn through a wormhole, to allow him to see his daughter one last time. Brand allowed the future humans to live, Cooper allowed the humans back on Earth to live. In the end Cooper leaves to reunite with Brand, in a sense reuniting humanity together: the future humans who couldn't have lived without Brand, and Earth's humans who couldn't have lived without Cooper. It was love that had brought Brand to Edmunds' planet and allowed future humans to live, and it was love that allowed Cooper to save Earth's humans.

 

[amnesiac]

also found another theory online

this is blowing my mind

i need to see this again

 

[iosefe]

can anyone explain matt damons true motivation apart from what I think it is that he just went crazy?

he knew plan A wouldn't happen. he noticed that they weren't working towards plan B, as much as he did, which was his life's work. off the Plan A suporters, steal their ship, complete the mission. also he was on a frozen wasteland and was revived, damn right he wants to steal the ship and leave. survival instincts

 

[Cse]

Their plan to orbit around the water planet while avoiding any effects of time dilation was beyond ludicrous. The negative effects of time dilation were due to the supermassive black hole that was nearby, yet the film treated this as if there was some invisible, arbitrary line that they crossed on the way down to the planet where suddenly they're moving at almost the speed of light.

The Endurance was left orbiting the water planet, and the guy in it experienced the same passage of time as the people on Earth.

Thus, we're to believe that Cooper and the crew boarded a vessel, and suddenly, as they descended a few hundred kilometers down to the water planet, they were suddenly traveling at exactly 0.9999999998671996 the speed of light (while, again, a few hundred kilometers away, the guy on the Endurance was experiencing Earth's passage of time).

Relativity doesn't work like that - it's not "all or none", where you suddenly cross a magical, arbitrary line, and suddenly you're moving at almost the speed of light. The relativistic effects from the black hole would have extended out hundreds and thousands of light years, and your velocity would gradually increase as you closed in on the black hole.

Even more absurd is that the crew apparently had the instruments to detect this arbitrary line that the Endurance had to remain away from to avoid the effects of time dilation....yet they couldn't tell that there were waves half a kilometer in height crashing down on the planet below?

 

[Maninthemirror]

Their plan to orbit around the water planet while avoiding any effects of time dilation was beyond ludicrous. The negative effects of time dilation were due to the supermassive black hole that was nearby, yet the film treated this as if there was some invisible, arbitrary line that they crossed on the way down to the planet where suddenly they're moving at almost the speed of light.

The Endurance was left orbiting the water planet, and the guy in it experienced the same passage of time as the people on Earth.

Thus, we're to believe that Cooper and the crew boarded a vessel, and suddenly, as they descended a few hundred kilometers down to the water planet, they were suddenly traveling at exactly 0.9999999998671996 the speed of light (while, again, a few hundred kilometers away, the guy on the Endurance was experiencing Earth's passage of time).

Relativity doesn't work like that - it's not "all or none", where you suddenly cross a magical, arbitrary line, and suddenly you're moving at almost the speed of light. The relativistic effects from the black hole would have extended out hundreds and thousands of light years, and your velocity would gradually increase as you closed in on the black hole.

Even more absurd is that the crew apparently had the instruments to detect this arbitrary line that the Endurance had to remain away from to avoid the effects of time dilation....yet they couldn't tell that there were waves half a kilometer in height crashing down on the planet below?

this was already explained in the movie. they knew the risks, they fell into a trap and lost time. its pretty simple

 

[Cse]

this was already explained in the movie. they knew the risks, they fell into a trap and lost time. its pretty simple

My point is that the Endurance craft was, relatively speaking, occupying almost the exact same point in space as the crew on the surface of the planet. Time should have certainly been passing at almost the exact same rate for the Endurance ship.

The relativistic effects of a black hole extend outward for thousands of light years.

 

[Won]

My point is that the Endurance craft was, relatively speaking, occupying almost the exact same point in space as the crew on the surface of the planet. Time should have certainly been passing at almost the exact same rate for the Endurance ship.

The relativistic effects of a black hole extend outward for thousands of light years.

Well, it is a magic black hole. The movie kinda shows us that in the end. Nolan took the easy route here and bent the science to what he needed for the story. And it probably was for the better.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

The crew of highly trained scientists not connecting the dots and realizing that the beacon they got was only sent a few seconds ago because of the way time passed on the planet was questionable too. I was able to figure it out before they got on the planet and I am not a highly trained scientist.

 

[KevinG]

can anyone explain matt damons true motivation apart from what I think it is that he just went crazy?


also found another theory online

I like this theory.

 

[Cse]

Well, it is a magic black hole. The movie kinda shows us that in the end. Nolan took the easy route here and bent the science to what he needed for the story. And it probably was for the better.

The black hole apparently had a tesseract constructed inside of it, but it still functioned like a black hole....and we have proof of this - the way the light formed around it, as well as the formation of the accretion disk. The black hole displayed all of the proper physical properties of a black hole, meaning the effects of time dilation don't magically decrease by a factor of approximately 61,320 within just a few kilometers.