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[Ziltoidia 9]

I understand all that, I know he is the same age, I'm just questioning the fact that cooper had a much smaller time change than brand did, since he was further into the black hole.

My understand is, he entered the black hole and his trajectory allowed him to leave it because it was a super massive black hole.

So I get that part. Part I don't get is since he was closer to the black hole, and actually passed the event horizon, his time should have moved HUGELY slower than hers.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Time should have been much slower for cooper in the black hole tho, right?

There's no "in the black hole." Spacetime doesn't exist there, hence the name. We don't really know what state of "time" he was in when interacting with the tesseract.

Time moves really slowly as you approach the event horizon. I think Brand and Cooper spent the same amount of time there, but I might be remembering incorrectly.

 

[DarkKyo]

There's no "in the black hole." Spacetime doesn't exist there, hence the name. We don't really know what state of "time" he was in when interacting with the tesseract.

Time moves really slowly as you approach the event horizon. I think Brand and Cooper spent the same amount of time there, but I might be remembering incorrectly.

When he detaches towards the event horizon I still remember him being pulled towards it for a bit before he goes through it. The fact that he was closer to it for longer than Brand should mean that some years had passed for Brand just while Cooper was still floating towards it.

 

[willow ve]

We have no idea how spacetime works inside the black hole / tesseract. If you remember, when he's sent back to our galaxy (when the tesseract closes) he literally time travels. While he's passing through the wormhole he reaches out and touches Brand's hand on the space ship.

Time after tesseract is an unknown quantity. My guess is TARS would have known everything, but his memory was wiped (for movie reasons).

 

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[Mad Season]

Love the music

 

[Deleted member 22576]

wooohooooo just bought tickets for april 7th
weve been planning on having a little date for the 31st but decided to just go see it in the theater

 

[Schrade]

This movie moves me so much. Emotions.. the soundtrack... the visuals.

I cry every time.

 

[obin_gam]

Got a bit surprised they cut out two sequences in the Blu-ray version.
When Dr Brand sees the specter hand outside the ship and when we see that it was really Cooper in the tesseract being the spectre hand.
But since they added nothing to the story it doesnt matter I guess.

 

[freethought]

His age is given as 124 or thereabouts at the end of the movie. If we assume he's in his mid 40's at the start of the film as the actor is, add the 2 year journey to Saturn, the 23 years they spent on the water planet and the 52 years the maneuver around the Black Hole got them and it doesn't seem he spent any significant amount of time in the tesseract.

I just watched this yesterday and I thought it was great. Though I couldn't hear what the hell Matthew McConaughy was saying half the time. Christopher Nolan must have exceptional hearing.

 

[Loke13]

His age is given as 124 or thereabouts at the end of the movie. If we assume he's in his mid 40's at the start of the film as the actor is, add the 2 year journey to Saturn, the 23 years they spent on the water planet and the 52 years the maneuver around the Black Hole got them and it doesn't seem he spent any significant amount of time in the tesseract.

I just watched this yesterday and I thought it was great. Though I couldn't hear what the hell Matthew McConaughy was saying half the time. Christopher Nolan must have exceptional hearing.

Really? Thought his dialogue was clear as day.

 

[Anth1888]

Got a bit surprised they cut out two sequences in the Blu-ray version.
When Dr Brand sees the specter hand outside the ship and when we see that it was really Cooper in the tesseract being the spectre hand.
But since they added nothing to the story it doesnt matter I guess.

Shit is that true, really liked the connection to the the beginning of the film. Wonder why the cut it.

 

[KingofGourds]

Got a bit surprised they cut out two sequences in the Blu-ray version.
When Dr Brand sees the specter hand outside the ship and when we see that it was really Cooper in the tesseract being the spectre hand.
But since they added nothing to the story it doesnt matter I guess.

EDIT: Nvm I'm an idiot. So they cut those two sequences *out* huh?

Hmmm. Perhaps they wanted to add a bit of mystery, allow for more potential of it being future humans reaching out across time and space to touch their ancestors.

*shrug*

 

[PjotrStroganov]

About the entering a black hole bit...wouldn't you be dead and crushed by the massive force of gravity from the black hole before you even got anywhere near it or the event horizon of it?

I'd say that the radiation and particles/objects traveling at hyper velocity would have done him in much earlier anyway.

 

[EGM1966]

Got a bit surprised they cut out two sequences in the Blu-ray version.
When Dr Brand sees the specter hand outside the ship and when we see that it was really Cooper in the tesseract being the spectre hand.
But since they added nothing to the story it doesnt matter I guess.

That's been removed from Blu Ray? Interesting. Wonder why? For me it's the only remaining element I feel I haven't pinned down as to how it could happen as it implies that different time sequences can co-exist within the wormhole or that the wormhole essentially exists "outside time" and everything that happens in it has to be contained simultaneously, allowing Cooper/Brand leaving Solar System to interact with Cooper returning via the wormhole to Solar System.

I also wondered if it implied Cooper had been de-constructed within the tesseract and traveled back essentially "built in" to the fabric of the wormhole (the wormhole essentially having been opened in our timeline from future timeline) and was only rendered properly corporeal on his arrival back into Solar System.

 

[cacildo]

Ill probably ask one billion stupid things in this thread...
so here is the first:

- What makes the space station the final solution? What makes it better than earth? Couldnt they just build a giant dome on earth to protect the people from the dust storms and call it a day?

 

[Dirtbag]

great movie. horrible audio mix for a home viewing.
I couldnt understand a single word Michael Caine uttered on his death bed.
pretty unforgiveable

 

[16BitNova]

Got a bit surprised they cut out two sequences in the Blu-ray version.
When Dr Brand sees the specter hand outside the ship and when we see that it was really Cooper in the tesseract being the spectre hand.
But since they added nothing to the story it doesnt matter I guess.

What? Man why would they cut that? I actually liked that connection between scenes.

 

[darkwing]

Ill probably ask one billion stupid things in this thread...
so here is the first:

- What makes the space station the final solution? What makes it better than earth? Couldnt they just build a giant dome on earth to protect the people from the dust storms and call it a day?

they were escaping the blight/sickness , better to restart in space where the environment can easily be controlled

 

[Ashhong]

Ill probably ask one billion stupid things in this thread...
so here is the first:

- What makes the space station the final solution? What makes it better than earth? Couldnt they just build a giant dome on earth to protect the people from the dust storms and call it a day?

The dust was only part of the problem. Blight was causing their crops to not grow and they were running out of food.

About cooper's age, I think he could have spent a million earth years in the tesseract and it wouldn't have mattered. Can't you say that he basically time travels when he leaves it?

 

[obin_gam]

Shit is that true, really liked the connection to the the beginning of the film. Wonder why the cut it.

EDIT: Nvm I'm an idiot. So they cut those two sequences *out* huh?

Hmmm. Perhaps they wanted to add a bit of mystery, allow for more potential of it being future humans reaching out across time and space to touch their ancestors.

*shrug*

That's been removed from Blu Ray? Interesting. Wonder why? For me it's the only remaining element I feel I haven't pinned down as to how it could happen as it implies that different time sequences can co-exist within the wormhole or that the wormhole essentially exists "outside time" and everything that happens in it has to be contained simultaneously, allowing Cooper/Brand leaving Solar System to interact with Cooper returning via the wormhole to Solar System.

I also wondered if it implied Cooper had been de-constructed within the tesseract and traveled back essentially "built in" to the fabric of the wormhole (the wormhole essentially having been opened in our timeline from future timeline) and was only rendered properly corporeal on his arrival back into Solar System.

What? Man why would they cut that? I actually liked that connection between scenes.

I truly hope I'm wrong and that my mind just wondered off during them, but when I watched the blu-ray last night I didnt see either sequence. If anyone else has gotten hold of a copy yet they are more than welcome to correct me.

 

[Mengy]

What? Man why would they cut that? I actually liked that connection between scenes.

That kind of sucks, as I really liked that little touch honestly.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

Watched it yesterday, awesome film but inception is better. The ending could have been better and some things didnt make sense like going into a black hole will kill you but here he finds a library.

 

[pestul]

I watched this movie with my wife the other day. I absolutely loved it from beginning to end. My wife really enjoyed the soundtrack in particular.

 

[EGM1966]

Ill probably ask one billion stupid things in this thread...
so here is the first:

- What makes the space station the final solution? What makes it better than earth? Couldn't they just build a giant dome on earth to protect the people from the dust storms and call it a day?

The film has no interest thematically in exploring options for remaining on Earth. The Blight is merely a MaGuffin to provide a scenario that's somewhat plausible for needing humanity to leave Earth.

One of the film's major goals is to explore that scenario and to essentially push the message we should be more outward looking (away from Earth) than inward looking (towards Earth).

Therefore any notion of other options are simply ignored as of no interest to the central themes.

 

[Tesseract]

the advanced humans put him exactly where he was so he could see his daughter again

he and brand remain relative

time to them ain't nothing, yolo bbq

 

[Plywood]

I liked the movie in spite of its flaws, one scene in particular that got me was the "drama" they tried so hard to setup.

Murph and Topher Grace's character arrive back at the old farm because she has to revisit her room and they show this big dust bowl/storm approaching as if shit is about to go down. So she revisits her room and Topher starts doing doctor stuff like checking on the health of the family. They get told to leave, but Murph gets the bright idea to come back because *THIS* time it'll be different, but first she has to set her brothers crops on FIRE. She then drives to the apparently now vacant home because her brother thinks it's a smart idea to take his sickly son and wife to a fire I suppose(?) So she's in the room waiting for something to happen and Topher is trying to generate drama by keeping her updated on the state of the fire. So she gets her answer from Cooper and heads outside where Topher is holding a tire iron because he's gonna hold back the evil big brother. Of course this all means nothing because she hugs the bad out of him and it only gets worse when she's running around the lab with triumphant music and yelling "eureka."

 

[Leependi]

Murph set the crops on fire and went back to get the brothers wife and son and take them back to NASA or somewhere to get treatment because the brother was being stubborn for some reason. They were both waiting in the car while Murph was taking her time in her bedroom.

 

[mmazurkiewicz]

first Nolan film that I enjoyed.

 

[Plywood]

Murph set the crops on fire and went back to get the brothers wife and son and take them back to NASA or somewhere to get treatment because the brother was being stubborn for some reason. They were both waiting in the car while Murph was taking her time in her bedroom.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Still I thought the tension was odd, the adamant nature of her brother, her turning back around, etc. It just felt unnecessary.

 

[nilbog21]

Finally saw this last night. Technically it is hands down the best film Nolan has made. This was some Cuaron level shit. Everything from the waking up in the hospital scene and onward should have been cut though IMO

rom was the mvp

 

[RS4-]

I truly hope I'm wrong and that my mind just wondered off during them, but when I watched the blu-ray last night I didnt see either sequence. If anyone else has gotten hold of a copy yet they are more than welcome to correct me.

Is this a region thing? I asked a friend about hers and she said it's there.

 

[Nakkilokki]

What an experience this was. It wasn't even difficult to follow like I feared after Inception. Easily one of my favourite movies ever.

 

[obin_gam]

Never mind, rechecked it to be sure and now I see that it is indeed still in the film. Apparently I checked my cell phone or something at that precise moment lol

Sorry to get everybody worried

 

[dummydecoy]

Apologies if already asked, but can anyone explain time dilation agian? How did 23 years pass outside of that water planet? Read a bunch of ELI5s about it on reddit, but I still don't get it.

 

[Aurongel]

Apologies if already asked, but can anyone explain time dilation agian? How did 23 years pass outside of that water planet? Read a bunch of ELI5s about it on reddit, but I still don't get it.

Gravity can slow down the speed with which you "operate". Think of it like slowing the CPU clock speed of your brain. If you were on the Endurance using a telescope to view a distant planet with severe time dilation (like the water planet), you'd see everything moving at incredibly low speeds. You'd see Cooper and Brand moving at incredibly slow speeds to avoid the oncoming wave but for them it would be in "full speed".

I liked the movie in spite of its flaws, one scene in particular that got me was the "drama" they tried so hard to setup. They cut back and forth between this scene and Cooper's struggles in an attempt to show the parallels between the two but it just doesn't work IMO. This is one area of Interstellar where Inception does a much better job. In Inception, the editing worked because it drew parallels between scenes that made sense. In Interstellar, it's just a distraction from whatever Cooper is doing. Nolan really dropped the ball by trying to use some of Inceptions' editing tricks in a film that doesn't really fit what he's trying to achieve.

Murph and Topher Grace's character arrive back at the old farm because she has to revisit her room and they show this big dust bowl/storm approaching as if shit is about to go down. So she revisits her room and Topher starts doing doctor stuff like checking on the health of the family. They get told to leave, but Murph gets the bright idea to come back because *THIS* time it'll be different, but first she has to set her brothers crops on FIRE. She then drives to the apparently now vacant home because her brother thinks it's a smart idea to take his sickly son and wife to a fire I suppose(?) So she's in the room waiting for something to happen and Topher is trying to generate drama by keeping her updated on the state of the fire. So she gets her answer from Cooper and heads outside where Topher is holding a tire iron because he's gonna hold back the evil big brother. Of course this all means nothing because she hugs the bad out of him and it only gets worse when she's running around the lab with triumphant music and yelling "eureka."

I feel like this film catches more flak and misguided criticism than it deserves but you're 100% right by pointing out this scene for really trying too hard to push dramatic beats.

I understand all that, I know he is the same age, I'm just questioning the fact that cooper had a much smaller time change than brand did, since he was further into the black hole.

My understand is, he entered the black hole and his trajectory allowed him to leave it because it was a super massive black hole.

So I get that part. Part I don't get is since he was closer to the black hole, and actually passed the event horizon, his time should have moved HUGELY slower than hers.

Technically speaking, the entire history of the universe should have flashed before him as he passed the event horizon but the extra dimensional beings provide a lot of logical leeway regarding the time gap because they can just move him through time easily. The film already established the concept of "time travel" at that point because a wormhole requires access to a higher dimension to traverse that distance. This is also why the "handshake" scene matches with the tesseract closing, time is not a linear concept there like it is in our three dimensions.

 

[EGM1966]

Apologies if already asked, but can anyone explain time dilation agian? How did 23 years pass outside of that water planet? Read a bunch of ELI5s about it on reddit, but I still don't get it.

The water planet is in a close orbit to the black hole. The closer you are to a black hole the greater the effect of time dilation - i.e. experience of time differing greatly across relatively small distances.

Hence when they landed on the water planet they were in a different "time zone" vs further distances away from the planet and the black hole - for example the guy waiting for them or back on Earth.

For Cooper and those on the water planet everything seems the same as they're in that "time zone" but if we were shown the view from saw the guy waiting for them to him they would seem to be moving in extreme slow motion as would the waves and everything on the planet's surface.

When they left the planet and reached the main ship 23 years had passed in that "time zone".

Essentially stronger and stronger gravity wells have the effect of seeming to slow time in their vicinity and the gigantic black hole was a huge gravity well and the planet was caught in an orbit very close to the black hole and hence was subject to the time difference.

 

[dummydecoy]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand it, but it feels really weird, like I can't fully realize it as fact. Help. How is time affected by gravity? Is time like a molecule with weight? Apologies for the stupid question.

 

[True Savior]

I understand all that, I know he is the same age, I'm just questioning the fact that cooper had a much smaller time change than brand did, since he was further into the black hole.

He falls quick enough to be hit by the outflying singularity and be saved within the Tesseract. Still if Brand looked at him she would have seen him slowing down. But because he's hit by the outflying singularity there is not a lot of time difference.

 

[m_shortpants]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand it, but it feels really weird, like I can't fully realize it as fact. Help. How is time affected by gravity? Is time like a molecule with weight? Apologies for the stupid question.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

Fairly insightful. Time dilation by velocity vs gravitu

 

[Ashhong]

I liked the movie in spite of its flaws, one scene in particular that got me was the "drama" they tried so hard to setup.

Murph and Topher Grace's character arrive back at the old farm because she has to revisit her room and they show this big dust bowl/storm approaching as if shit is about to go down. So she revisits her room and Topher starts doing doctor stuff like checking on the health of the family. They get told to leave, but Murph gets the bright idea to come back because *THIS* time it'll be different, but first she has to set her brothers crops on FIRE. She then drives to the apparently now vacant home because her brother thinks it's a smart idea to take his sickly son and wife to a fire I suppose(?) So she's in the room waiting for something to happen and Topher is trying to generate drama by keeping her updated on the state of the fire. So she gets her answer from Cooper and heads outside where Topher is holding a tire iron because he's gonna hold back the evil big brother. Of course this all means nothing because she hugs the bad out of him and it only gets worse when she's running around the lab with triumphant music and yelling "eureka."

What? The first visit was for Topher to specifically see his son I thought, because he was sick. Either that or it was just to visit. She sets the fire specifically to get her brother go leave the house because he was so angry and violent, and she goes back to take his family away from him, not because she thinks its empty. On her way out she goes back to her room to get her stuff which is when the big revelation comes out. I thought it worked pretty well.

 

[cacildo]

The film has no interest thematically in exploring options for remaining on Earth. The Blight is merely a MaGuffin to provide a scenario that's somewhat plausible for needing humanity to leave Earth.

One of the film's major goals is to explore that scenario and to essentially push the message we should be more outward looking (away from Earth) than inward looking (towards Earth).

Therefore any notion of other options are simply ignored as of no interest to the central themes.

Very interesting. Thanks.

It dosent make me like the movie less. Some people get really pissed at this kind of situations. I really understand it, if thats the way the movie wants to go (and its fun and interesting) than im ok with it

 

[bearythebear]

Good movie. Obviously the visuals are amazing (the robot design was super cool), and the emotions worked well in parts.

The movie does drag however. I feel like it's too long and adding Matt Damon as a last minute villain felt unneeded.

Also, space is supposed to be scary, and they just went in the opposite direction with the blackhole as some space wizard bullshit. That kinda twist works better in something like Dr. Who. This didn't feel like the kinda movie in which the lead is supposed to survive at the end.

Of course, the dialogue was clunky in spots, and I had the biggest eye roll at the "power of love stuff"

 

[kinn]

Once they went through the worm hole and discovered that the water planet had a mad time distillation, wouldn't they have realized that for the dude who went there first, it would have only been a short amount time elapsed and therefore he's not done any long term readings on the planet? Wouldn't they have only recieved one off him compared to the others? Surely that would have made them think something wasn't right?

 

[reckless]

Once they went through the worm hole and discovered that the water planet had a mad time distillation, wouldn't they have realized that for the dude who went there first, it would have only been a short amount time elapsed and therefore he's not done any long term readings on the planet? Wouldn't they have only recieved one off him compared to the others? Surely that would have made them think something wasn't right?

It was still the closest and the data showed water and organic molecules.

They also said later on the message was echoing so they got more then one.

 

[kinn]

It was still the closest and the data showed water and organic molecules.

They also said later on the message was echoing so they got more then one.

Ah I see. Thanks for the info!

 

[ICPEE]

Watched it yesterday, awesome film but inception is better. The ending could have been better and some things didnt make sense like going into a black hole will kill you but here he finds a library.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the black hole is a supermassive black hole and black holes at the size of Gargantua are so huge, that they have a "gentle" horizon, i.e the tidal forces are not that great compared to smaller black holes which have much stronger tidal forces and are much more destructive. Still Cooper should have probably died before entering the black hole by the superheated accreation disk.

The "library" (tesseract) was created specifically for Cooper (by the 5th dimensional beings) to send messages to his daughter.

 

[ICPEE]

One small criticism of the movie from my side. There were not many space scenes like the Saturn flyby with that beautiful piano piece in the background. Before I seen this movie I honestly expected to see scenes of the Endurance floating through a beautiful colourful nebula or encountering a pulsar (with its lethal radiation) or even a monstrous quasar.
We don't also have any indication of how far away the galaxy is that the endurance travels to.
It would have been nice to have the Nasa team explain in detail to Cooper the location and distance of the destination.
Still love the movie and plan to get the bluray soon.
This and Contact will always be my favourites.

 

[Demigod Mac]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand it, but it feels really weird, like I can't fully realize it as fact. Help. How is time affected by gravity? Is time like a molecule with weight? Apologies for the stupid question.

Gravity is a distortion in space-time caused by mass.

As a practical example of it working in real life, GPS satellites have to factor time dilation in (because time passes ever so slightly more slowly on Earth than in space because we are closer to the Earth's mass). If the satellites didn't take time dilation into account, our smartphones would go haywire and send us in the wrong directions.

In the beginning of the movie it's the reason why the drone went off course (due to the gravitational anomalies).

 

[hypotc]

Can someone explain the scene(s) that is removed from the Bluray?

EDIT: Nevermind