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[Lazy vs Crazy]

McCain leads nationally not Rudy.

Either way, we lose.

 

[numble]

This is probably a bit OT but I don't want to start a complete new thread for it. If I'm registered as an Independent, does anyone know if I'll be able to vote in the California primaries?

OT though, I'm glad Obama and Huckabee won. Only because Obama is my preferred and Huckabee would be the easiest to beat.

In California, only the Democratic party allows independents to vote in their primary, if I recall correctly.

 

[Killthee]

This is probably a bit OT but I don't want to start a complete new thread for it. If I'm registered as an Independent, does anyone know if I'll be able to vote in the California primaries?

OT though, I'm glad Obama and Huckabee won. Only because Obama is my preferred and Huckabee would be the easiest to beat.

You can vote in the Dem. primary, but not in the Republican primary (have to be a registered Republican to be able to vote).

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Either way, we lose.

Not really.

Perhaps I'm just basking in naive enthusiasm but I really think Obama turned a whole lot of shit around tonight.

 

[speculawyer]

This is probably a bit OT but I don't want to start a complete new thread for it. If I'm registered as an Independent, does anyone know if I'll be able to vote in the California primaries?

OT though, I'm glad Obama and Huckabee won. Only because Obama is my preferred and Huckabee would be the easiest to beat.

I believe California is a closed primary state. I'm a registered Libertarian and I don't think I can vote in the GOP or Dem primary.

 

[haunts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc

Didn't see it posted...currently checking it out.

thanks, that was great. he really does sound like a president. :lol

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

Not really.

Perhaps I'm just basking in naive enthusiasm but I really think Obama turned a whole lot of shit around tonight.

I meant both Rudy and McCain are awful and I don't want either to even have a shot at the white house because both with keep us at war, expand those wars, and increase the national debt even worse than Bush has.

 

[grandjedi6]

It greatly saddens me that the Iowa caucus will once again have great influence, but the Hillary haters are going to drag her down now. Obama should do well though.

Heh, the Chicago news sites are going crazy about Obama, even Fox news is joining in.

 

[npm0925]

Bingo. Huckabee can try to claim he is not Bush-like . . . but he's another evangelical GOPer and supports most of the same policies. If you want more of the same, vote Huck.

I disagree. All that they have in common is the religious element; Bush embodies all of the negative things about Christianity (fear, greed, ignorance), whereas Huckabee also incorporates some of its positive aspects (mercy, charity, humility). Huckabee's also a few orders of magnitude smarter than Bush. The difference is very real; that's why the right wingers are terrified of the guy and will rally behind McCain if it comes to that.

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

whereas Huckabee also incorporates some of its positive aspects (mercy, charity, humility).

Unless you are not white, in which case...

 

[GenericPseudonym]

Errr hello, we have Harper.

Harper is a great level-headed leader, who hasn't made many mistakes. His one failing was the taxing of income trusts, everything else has been handeled masterfully.

 

[speculawyer]

thanks, that was great. he really does sound like a president. :lol

He is a very good orator and inspirational, but that was a little slim on substance. But I guess was just a victory speech, not a stump speech.

 

[SRG01]

Harper is a great level-headed leader, who hasn't made many mistakes. His one failing was the taxing of income trusts, everything else has been handeled masterfully.

... And he has the charisma of a frog.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

He is a very good orator and inspirational, but that was a little slim on substance. But I guess was just a victory speech, not a stump speech.

But substance is nebulous in an election. Campaign promises are rarely delivered on anyway. Why not just talk about what KIND of president you want to be. It certainly worked for me.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Obama - "...free the nation from the tyranny of oil" ?


:lol


OIL = The Man?

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

Anyhow, Iowa voted Bush in the last election.

However, in this primary, if you take total votes and throw out party lines you get:

24.5% Obama
20.5% Edwards
19.8% Clinton
11.4% Huckabee

 

[speculawyer]

I disagree. All that they have in common is the religious element; Bush embodies all of the negative things about Christianity (fear, greed, ignorance), whereas Huckabee also incorporates some of its positive aspects (mercy, charity, humility). .

So he's a compassionate conservative? For real this time? . . . Or will it be another bait & switch like Bush?

Huckabee's also a few orders of magnitude smarter than Bush.

Well . . . so is my left testicle.

The difference is very real; that's why the right wingers are terrified of the guy and will rally behind McCain if it comes to that.

He has definitely invoked some anger from the more corporate side of the GOP . . . Fox seems to pick on him a lot. Fox's favorite candidate, Guiliani, got trounced.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Anyhow, Iowa voted Bush in the last election.

However, in this primary, if you take total votes and throw out party lines you get:

24.5% Obama
20.5% Edwards
19.8% Clinton
11.4% Huckabee

Does the fact that more people could vote in the Dem primary than the Rep primary affect those? (Least I think that's how it works...)

 

[Chichikov]

Sure, it's a victory speech in fucking Iowa, but man, Obama is a great speaker.

 

[GenericPseudonym]

... And he has the charisma of a frog.

I don't care if he lacks charisma. Martin and Harper were both pretty great and had no charisma, Trudeau had buckets of charisma but was a total disaster.

 

[speculawyer]

Anyhow, Iowa voted Bush in the last election.
However, in this primary, if you take total votes and throw out party lines you get:
24.5% Obama
20.5% Edwards
19.8% Clinton
11.4% Huckabee

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well . . . I don't think that means much.

But it certainly is shocking that the Dem turn-out was more than double the GOP turn-out . . . how did that happen?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well . . . I don't think that means much.

But it certainly is shocking that the Dem turn-out was more than double the GOP turn-out . . . how did that happen?

I read somewhere that Indies could vote in the Dem primary but you had to be registered Republo to vote in the Rep primo.

 

[harSon]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well . . . I don't think that means much.

But it certainly is shocking that the Dem turn-out was more than double the GOP turn-out . . . how did that happen?

 

[siamesedreamer]

Does the fact that more people could vote in the Dem primary than the Rep primary affect those? (Least I think that's how it works...)

Its horrible news for the GOP.

At this point, I don't think it matters who is on the DEM ticket, just as long as there isn't an (R) next to the name.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Its horrible news for the GOP.

At this point, I don't think it matters who is on the DEM ticket, just as long as there isn't an (R) next to the name.

You should really watch that speech. If it was someone boring like Kerry in the lead I'd agree with you, but in this case, not so much.

 

[AmishNazi]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well . . . I don't think that means much.

But it certainly is shocking that the Dem turn-out was more than double the GOP turn-out . . . how did that happen?

There was a chick reporter on one of the stations talking about how she talked to independents and 2004 republicans who were at the caucuses to vote for Obama. Oh and then there's the fact that the 17-30 crowd is actually starting to show up and vote also. Guess who they primarily voted for.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Its horrible news for the GOP.

At this point, I don't think it matters who is on the DEM ticket, just as long as there isn't an (R) next to the name.

Yes. The Republicans have completely lost the Reagan-Democrats (blue-collared baby boomers). Bush has squandered them all. You will see the same kind of mass defections in bell-weather states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.


It really DOESN'T matter who wins the nomination for the Republicans. They don't stand a chance. It really comes down to how BADLY will they be beaten? It could be a historic loss, depending on what happens from here on out.

 

[grandjedi6]

I read somewhere that Indies could vote in the Dem primary but you had to be registered Republo to vote in the Rep primo.

This is true. The dem caucas is open while the Rep is semi-closed

 

[theBishop]

Is anyone watching the Fox News coverage?

There's a round table of blonde chicks pushing two main talking points:

#1: No Republican presidents ever win Iowa

#2: Hillary is running scared, and is in serious trouble

They're dogging Huckabee openly. Truly pathetic.

 

[GhaleonEB]

My local news just did a teaser for their caucus coverage in 20 minutes.

"Huckabee wins big, while Obama squeaks by."

Results:

Obama 38%
Edwards 30%


Huckabee 34%
Romney 25%

8% margin versus 9% margin, but with a larger share of the votes. Is this the way the victories are being framed elsewhere?

 

[way more]

Wow. MSNBC got Buchanan.

I came into this whole thang pretty late, but I Can't Believe It's not a White Guy.

I've been flipping over to Fox News and those guys are hysterical. Oh Shepard Smith, I used to have some measure of respect for you.

 

[theBishop]

Wow. MSNBC got Buchanan.

I came into this whole thang pretty late, but I Can't Believe It's not a White Guy.

I've been flipping over to Fox News and those guys are hysterical. Oh Shepard Smith, I used to have some measure of respect for you.

I guess its a little hypocritical to rip on them for having Laura Ingram on there while MSNBC has Rachel Maddow, but I don't get the same seething partisanship from Maddow at least when she's acting as a talking head. On her radio show, she certainly doesn't hide her bias.

 

[MiamiWesker]

I dont follow politics much but I did check out the Obama speech, wow, he is an excellent speaker. I lean more Republican but I think its time for a Democrat to take office for a while and he seems pretty damn good. Of course I got all that from his speech which really means nothing, anything "negative" against the guy I should know about.

In reality I am just happy Hillary didn't win.

 

[AmishNazi]

"Huckabee wins big, while Obama squeaks by."

8% margin versus 9% margin, but with a larger share of the votes. Is this the way the victories are being framed elsewhere?

I hope so. We need to keep the young people and African Americans thinking he's a candidate that can win, but not guarantee that he'll win.

 

[avatar299]

#1: No Republican presidents ever win Iowa

Haven't both Bush's won Iowa?

I dont follow politics much but I did check out the Obama speech, wow, he is an excellent speaker. I lean more Republican but I think its time for a Democrat to take office for a while and he seems pretty damn good. Of course I got all that from his speech which really means nothing, anything "negative" against the guy I should know about.

In reality I am just happy Hillary didn't win.

Not really. He is incredibly bland, and very vague but that's pretty much it. I highly doubt Obama will improve America, but he won't make it worse. Easily the safe choice for Democrats and republicans who want to be different this year.

 

[ratcliffja]

What Obama speech is everybody talking about?

Edit: You mean the "Our Moment is Now" speech?

 

[perfectchaos007]

Is anyone watching the Fox News coverage?

There's a round table of blonde chicks pushing two main talking points:

#1: No Republican presidents ever win Iowa

#2: Hillary is running scared, and is in serious trouble

They're dogging Huckabee openly. Truly pathetic.

I thought Fox News liked Huckabee. Hell, they like all republicans except Ron Paul.

 

[AmishNazi]

I dont follow politics much but I did check out the Obama speech, wow, he is an excellent speaker. I lean more Republican but I think its time for a Democrat to take office for a while and he seems pretty damn good. Of course I got all that from his speech which really means nothing, anything "negative" against the guy I should know about.

In reality I am just happy Hillary didn't win.

Network neutrality
Energy Security = National Security
Lobbying Reform
http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/

Expanded those for the people who keep saying he's making empty and vague promises. Keep a eye on those dates.... Obama has lead on quite a few issues that pretty much the entire country agrees upon. Well at least those of us who use more than 1% of our brain.

I almost wish he'd run as a independent, but less people would get behind him, because independent has that never going to win stigma.

 

[jamesinclair]

Im confused.

Paul went from 1% to 10%....

And the haters say hes done...?

 

[ToxicAdam]

I dont follow politics much but I did check out the Obama speech, wow, he is an excellent speaker. I lean more Republican but I think its time for a Democrat to take office for a while and he seems pretty damn good. Of course I got all that from his speech which really means nothing, anything "negative" against the guy I should know about.

In reality I am just happy Hillary didn't win.

More Obama

 

[speculawyer]

But it certainly is shocking that the Dem turn-out was more than double the GOP turn-out . . . how did that happen?

:lol

Well played.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Im confused.

Paul went from 1% to 10%....

And the haters say hes done...?

New Hampshire is really Paul's big stand. They have a history of backing longshots or underdogs. If he can't make waves there .. he doesn't really stand a chance. Unless he gets some sort of late 'Jerry Brown bump', that is rather meaningless.


Some of the most ardent supporters ACTUALLY believed he would get into the 20% range.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Thanks guys.

 

[avatar299]

Im confused.

Paul went from 1% to 10%....

And the haters say hes done...?

Well he is and he isn't. It's not a question of Ron Paul not growing. Anyone on GAF who thinks Ron Paul has a shrinking fanbase is a fucking idiot. The question is how much of his voting base is hardcore libertarians, who always pick the more fringe republican candidates and how many are disillusioned republicans who want a clean break from over zealous evangelicals and an overbearing foreign policy.

When Ron Paul first came out I would have easily said he had the republican party wrapped up, but his views are hard to explain, he doesn't get much media coverage, and their is a growing backlash of voters against him(Granted most of them aren't republicans, but still they are there)

I would say it's a good day for Ron Paul, but he needs to move now.

 

[BigJonsson]

What happened to Rudy?

Did people decide they want the terrorists to win?

I hope Clinton can get back on track

 

[AmishNazi]

What happened to Rudy?

Did people decide they want the terrorists to win?

I hope Clinton can get back on track

Rudy decided he's too good to campaign early.

 

[perfectchaos007]

New Hampshire is really Paul's big stand. They have a history of backing longshots or underdogs. If he can't make waves there .. he doesn't really stand a chance. Unless he gets some sort of late 'Jerry Brown bump', that is rather meaningless.


Some of the most ardent supporters ACTUALLY believed he would get into the 20% range.

You are talking about Iowa right?

 

[Joe]

what is obama's stand on the "war" on drugs? there's nothing about it on his website

 

[ToyMachine228]

Can't tell you how psyched I am about Obama's victory today. I'm not in this thread to debate anything. Just can't tell you how enthusiastic I am about it. I'm going to be volunteering for his campaign in the next couple weeks. I'm excited and I really feel like I'm about to witness something special.

 

[MassiveAttack]

what is obama's stand on the "war" on drugs? there's nothing about it on his website

There's a war on drugs?