GregLombardi
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I haven't had time to read the entire thread, but why are the software developers unable to simply rename their game?
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iPhone Game Edge pulled because of "edge" obssessed bastard.
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fullmetalht
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haowan said:
If he's making that Mirrors a game by Edge now, can't Mirror's Edge fight back pretty easily? They had the name Mirror's Edge trademarked first, no?
Also, this guy is a douchebag. The "Mirrors a game by Edge" is a dirty move.
It wasn't that simple, not in this case, anyway. Langdell's terms gave Mobigame two choices: change the name and pay 25% revenue the game made since its launch, or add a subtitle "An Homage to Bobby Bearing" (which is BS) and pay 10% of all past and future revenue.GregLombardi said:
LocoMrPollock
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Just read this and all the follow up articles. What a first class piece of shit.
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
Crazymoogle
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eXxy said:
Link not working? I get redirected to the main page...
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
Oops. Let's try that again...
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/698176/Edge-And-The-Forever-Deepening-Trademark-Rabbit-Hole.html
(or this? http://tinyurl.com/naphms)
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/698176/Edge-And-The-Forever-Deepening-Trademark-Rabbit-Hole.html
(or this? http://tinyurl.com/naphms)
Patrick Klepek
furiously molesting tim burton
Commanche Raisin Toast
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eXxy said:
LOL they try to legally define "troll" ahhahaha :lol
Lord Error
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I don't think anything changed, just read their website. They always seemed to want to give them a license to use the name Edgy. Basically, Langdell wanted to register the name Edgy in US, and then license it to Mobygames for free. Why that course of action? Who knows. But I think the whole story behind is that he wanted the game to keep selling and then get percentage from each copy sold - in exchange for giving the licensed name for free.FoxSpirit said:
Commanche Raisin Toast
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Lord Error said:
which is exactly why he IS trolling.
this is the first time i will use this phrase on the internets: Tim- die in a fire.
Chittagong
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I love how he continues to get away with using Edge magazine logo for his company, for an immediate association with a respected magazine with high integrity
Burger
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eXxy said:
I love how it's obviously Tim Langdell writing the whole thing, but tries to make it seem as if Edge Games is a huge corporation.
No PR department would ever write anything so self aggrandising and arrogant.
"Since you have sought to turn the dispute between our two companies into a personal attack on Dr. Langdell, he will no longer be the person communicating with you on this matter on behalf of Edge"
:lol Yeah right Tim.
Mar_ said:
This is just the lamest thing I've seen in my life. I wish EA would obliterate this dude out of existence.
um...
Didn't EDGE games just completely ripoff the EDGE logo used by EDGE magazine online?
Can't Edge (the mag) ask this Edge gaming douchebag company to come up with their own fucking logo?
Or is the blatant logo theft just bait to start up that very situation?
LCfiner said:um...
Didn't EDGE games just completely ripoff the EDGE logo used by EDGE magazine online?
Can't Edge (the mag) ask this Edge gaming douchebag company to come up with their own fucking logo?
Or is the blatant logo theft just bait to start up that very situation?
Either: 1) they are trying to create confusion, so that they can use that very confusion as evidence that people mix up the trademarks (as in the case with EA); or 2) that was part of the 'settlement' that they came up with the magazine (that they could use the logo).
i guess that he came to some kind of agreement with the magazine, since there is a page on his website where he tries to make it sound like he practically founded/is in charge of EDGE magazine, just like he does with other stuff he has licensed the word 'edge' to. i guess they just gave in and licensed the name from him a while ago.
they recently seem to be getting legaled up about it though so they might fight back hopefully.
they recently seem to be getting legaled up about it though so they might fight back hopefully.
Jet Grind Radio!
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Monster. Monster Cables did the exact same thing several times.Shambles said:
Shambles said:
I think it's ok to trademark a generic word - but not ok to be able to use it against other names when it's clearly not a violation in common sense.
If you weren't allowed a trademark, then you'll have other companies making a game and selling it with the intent of living up to the brand name of the top seller. Like Apple, for example.
Peronthious
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Shambles said:
It's not a general trademark, just as far as it's use in video games is concerned. Same logic behind Apple being allowed to use Apple as long as it didn't get into music.
I don't know if this has been linked earlier in the thread, but here's an excellent little primer to the whole situation. Apparently the writer was threatened lawsuit by Langdell after the article was published.
Peronthious
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bengraven said:
The IGDA message boards on the subject are worth hours of entertainment.
Peronthious said:
I had read that article before, but now it seems the comments have exploded to nearly 300 pages.
There's a Facebook group to join too if you're that way inclined (I joined).
fatigues_gasolini
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Jet Grind Radio! said:
Monster and Apple have built brands around their name, allowing for the generality of their names to hold steam. EDGE is a shitty company who has done jack shit in the last 15 years of their existence, and is headed by a troll who thinks his games are worth someone even looking at. No one has heard of them, or even cares about their new shitty games coming out. I suspect they are just smoke and mirrors to squeeze money out of big publishers so Tim can feed the egotistical huge head of his.
ShinNL
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eXxy said:
"we publicly invite you to resolve that dispute solely through the usual channels of the trademark registries or the courts"
I hope Mobigames isn't going to fall into that trap and let that bastard do whatever he wants in the 'safe zone'. Let's not let this fall into a black pit and forget about it. This asshole must be taken down. The only way to do so is to make everything public. After some digging some people found more people talking about having negative experiences with Tim the scumbag. Imagine how much more info there could have been if everyone reported/wrote it somewhere.
"Edge never demanded money from Mobigame"
License fees = money, asshole.
"Mobigame proposed Edge give it money to use the mark "Edge"
What the hell does this mean?
"Edge has never acted as "trademark trolls"
Registering Edgy after a suggestion by Mobigames isn't?!!!
"Edge acted well in the "EDGY" matter"
Die! (see above)
"Mobigame has only pretended to want to change the name of its game"
It's more like you (Tim) pretended that changing names will get them out of your web. You want money.
"Mobigame has persistently demanded Edge give up its rights to the mark "Edge"
With all the illegal things you (Tim) have done, you shouldn't deserve any rights.
"Mobigame has lied so as to defame Edge and its CEO Tim Langdell"
Exposing the truth to hurt you (Tim, with your 1-man company "Edge") isn't called lying. You are the one lying.
"Mobigame deliberately selected EDGE as the name of its game in 2008"
It's a good name for a good game. It's a common word. It's in no way a reference to anything you've made. What's the point here? Misleading sentence. Because it sure wasn't a deliberately selected name in reference to the game "Edge" 'created by you' somewhere in the whatever past.
"How many games we have produced in the past 5 years"
None. You also f'n rip off developers you hired. Not paying developers that have worked over 6 months? Omg, bastard, you shall not be forgiven.
"Insight into the "Mirrors (by) Edge" matter"
Even with insight it's as ridiculous as anyone sees it. The whole point is that you're not making any Mirrors and no one knows your shitty 'company' Edge.
"Details of our game credits system"
Don't care.
"Edge of Twilight"
Asshole.
"False accusations against Edge"
False my ass. So far I've read only facts about your activities (don't freaking hide behind a company name when everyone knows it's you, Tim) and you're a no-life scumbag. Get the hell out of the gaming (or any) industry. You damn leech.
By the way, are there any gaming journalists reporting on this? This is a really good time to see what websites/magazines are for real gamers and what not. If any journalist was really a gamer then he/she would care about developers (especially indie, because they often have to start alone with losses, having multiple talents to produce different parts of the product) and would investigate this. If GAF is really the only forum that covers this issue then I guess that would explain why I only read my gaming news here and nowhere else.
EDIT: Ohhh, interesting:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-edge-of-reason?page=4
It seems this whole mobigames case is going to ruin the 'company', the way it's going. But I hope it's not too late (to still take this person down :O).
Segata Sanshiro
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This dispute is reaching the inevitable point where both parties look like douchebags.
Again, at this point it's apparent that Langdell has not an ounce of humility and continues to warp reality to fit his goals. Whether it's psychosis or self-interest no man can say, but it's clear that no rational debate or meaningful dialogue will arise from this. Despite a public record of needless IP protection and the insistence that he has oh-so-graciously lent out the word "Edge" to games, computer companies, magazines, and, yes, even a 1997 movie starring Alec Baldwin and Anthony Hopkins, he has decided to play the pity card and insist he is truly "more indie" because many of the 756 games (partial list!) he credits himself with are released on platforms that have smaller market share than the iPhone. Boo fucking hoo.
His "public statement" consists tearing down of a series of strawman arguments and dodging serious questions posed against the conflict of interests of a man who sues game companies and a boardmember of the IDGA as well as the nature of his IP enforcement. Unless he can present objective quantitative proof that Mobigame are really the bad guys here, this is a waste of everyone's time.
Look at it this way. Here's what we know about Langdell: There are developers who have publicly spoken out about their experience in working with Langell and their difficulty in getting paid, there are the very obvious attempts to lay claim to the word "Edge" across all media, and there's the inherent conflict of interest present in being a guy who likes to litigate game companies and being a lead figure in the IGDA, he has had restraining orders put up against him by young actresses, and he clearly has some delusions of grandure if he honestly believes Mobigame's Edge is clearly inspired by Bobby Bearing or that he can seriously put his name on 700+ game titles on his own website.
Here's what we've learned about Mobigame: They put up a game on the iTunes app store only to have it taken down when they found out they didn't get to the name first.
Who, exactly, are we to believe here? David Papazian could well be a complete twat, but we have no serious knowledge of that. Langdell's cockfuckery, however, is a matter of public record.
His "public statement" consists tearing down of a series of strawman arguments and dodging serious questions posed against the conflict of interests of a man who sues game companies and a boardmember of the IDGA as well as the nature of his IP enforcement. Unless he can present objective quantitative proof that Mobigame are really the bad guys here, this is a waste of everyone's time.
Look at it this way. Here's what we know about Langdell: There are developers who have publicly spoken out about their experience in working with Langell and their difficulty in getting paid, there are the very obvious attempts to lay claim to the word "Edge" across all media, and there's the inherent conflict of interest present in being a guy who likes to litigate game companies and being a lead figure in the IGDA, he has had restraining orders put up against him by young actresses, and he clearly has some delusions of grandure if he honestly believes Mobigame's Edge is clearly inspired by Bobby Bearing or that he can seriously put his name on 700+ game titles on his own website.
Here's what we've learned about Mobigame: They put up a game on the iTunes app store only to have it taken down when they found out they didn't get to the name first.
Who, exactly, are we to believe here? David Papazian could well be a complete twat, but we have no serious knowledge of that. Langdell's cockfuckery, however, is a matter of public record.