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Iron Man is a killer... of Terrence Howard's career. According to him.
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Nope.
so wait people believe idris elba wont be a starring actor in the future? I cant see hollywood leaving him in support roles, they are running low on black stars.
Explain that one? Not everyones career was destroyed after that? Was it?
DeaconKnowledge
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Its said that Will Smith ruined Cuba Gooding's career because he so similar as to make Cuba irrelevant. Only need one light skinned black movie star in pictures.
The Faceless Master
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i heard it was the other way around, and a bunch of people clowned him for letting his wife hit him and call him racist names.
Ghost_Protocol
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Ha, he was replaced because he had the good fortune of getting cast first and made more money than everyone else in the film, including RDJ.
I didn't really like Cheadle in IM2. But I still love him overall. He is fantastic in other movies like Boogie Nights and Hotel Rwanda. But why do people keep saying there aren't any good black actors? Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Idris Elba, Samuel L Jackson, Jamie Foxx, Michael Kenneth Williams and of course Terrence Howard himself and many others I left out like Ving Rhames.
SquiddyCracker
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Terrence was better, yep.
This x10. Opiate is taking percentages at a glance, but not looking at the actual reality of how difficult it is for the lone talented black actor trying to establish a foothold vs. the constantly renewing waves of white actors who have doors automatically opened. I'm gonna quote harSon's article, because it's a great and depressing example (para breaks my own, for screen legibility).
http://postracecinema.co.nf/?p=31
"For one thing, the pathways to stardom between white and non-white actors are completely different. Lets take this issue of Esquire with Idris Elba and Taylor Kitsch on the cover, detailing the next generation of Hollywood stars. With Idris Elba, we have someone who has been acting for over 25 years. He did work at the television level for over a decade, garnering award nominations for his performance in The Wire, and has recently made the jump to the silver screen. He is just now being rewarded with marquee movie roles.
In Taylor Kitsch, we have an actor who has only been in the industry since 2006, seemingly coming out of nowhere to play decent sized roles in the television show Friday Night Lights and the movie Wolverine, before being handed the keys to two $200 million budget movies in Battleship and John Carter. A career path that is quite similar to that of fellow actor Sam Worthington. Regardless of Kitschs acting chops or ability to fill theater seats, youd be hard pressed to find an example of a non-white actor where Hollywood went out of its way to forcibly manufacture them into a star. The closest example is Will Smith, and he was already knee deep in acting and music awards before the industry decided to take the plunge and cast him in a blockbuster film.
The fact of the matter is that white actors stand a much better chance of breaking into the industry. Not necessarily because theyre more talented, but simply due to the fact that they are perceived to be more marketable to audiences. There are several other plausible theories as to why young minority talent is not being nurtured at levels comparable to their white contemporaries, but whatever the reason, the fact that youd be hard pressed to name ten black, Hispanic and Asian up-and-coming actors combined suggests that theres is cause for concern, especially as the current crop of minority actors continue to age."
BobTheFork
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Again speculation but I thought the deal was that they had hired him on before anyone else was signed on to do the movie. So he got much more money than he would have if they cast him after the A-listers. So when the sequel came up they wanted to pay him less than the previous movie and he didn't like that.
cutmeamango
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GAF MUST SUFFER.
This topic is proof enough, Howard better than Cheadle, pffff.
Yup thats how I understood it too, that he was asked to take a pay cut from the first film. And after having seen IM2, it would have been less pay for an even larger role.
I don't know. Perhaps he should have just dealt with it, but I cannot say that I wouldn't understand his frustration with the issue if that story is true.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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I think Tyler Perry would have been a great Rhodes. He was amazing in Alex Cross and could possibly be the next "Morgan Freeman".
Will Smith is not a prolific actor. I doubt this was the case.
Cuba Gooding Jr. ruined his own career by accepting every shit script that came his way.
I saw him at an upscale restaurant, walking around with a beanie on his head and sipping bourbon from a steuben glass.
Supermanisdead
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Howard was good as Rhodey. I'll never forget his "TONAAAAAAY TONAAAAAAAAYYY" scene.
Yeah. Police were called for domestic shit at his home but it was actually his wife going off on him. Its just a really, really fucked up relationship.
Why do you think he accepted all those shit scripts?
That was all he could get.
You just named all of them. Bonus points.
Now find a successful one in his early 20s.
Seriously. You can pretty much go across the board with black actors, and a common complain with most of them is that their selection of roles leaves a lot to be desired. When you can say that about pretty much every black actor and actress out there, it's clear that its the industry and not the individual. Trust me, if Cuba Gooding Jr. had Minority Report lined up in 2002, he wouldn't have accepted Boat Trip.
Everyone should seriously read my piece on the subject: http://postracecinema.co.nf/?p=31 I've plugged it numerous times, but it's a culmination of my thoughts on this very subject.
He forgot tyrese andre3k and my man mvp.
He got 6 mil for the first film because his role was original much bigger, if you watch the deleted scenes there's a bunch of unused footage of him.
haha same here
Betrayer of hope
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what a shame.
terence was brilliant as rhodes and cheadle sucked ass in im2
terence was brilliant as rhodes and cheadle sucked ass in im2
It was a smaller role than what he was hired for originally in IM 1. As has been said, his role was significantly reduced in editing.
He should have taken the pay cut. It would have made him the bigger man and lead to more work. If his agent advised him to pass, I hope he fired that agent.
Ultimadrago
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Nope.
This is a fantastic piece of writing. Seriously, brilliant.
Only thing I would point out (not even as criticism! Just to talk about it) is that you mention that when there's a black Superman/Bond etc. and it's because he's the right person for the role that'll be great, and it will.
But fuck if Dominic Cooper wasn't the best man for the Devil's Double despite being white. He was fucking great in that film.
JCreasy
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Agreed!
I'm conflicted because I've learned what a narcissistic asshole he is since then, but I still love his Rhodes the best in Iron Man 1. You nailed it. His chemistry with RDJ was great! It felt authentic.
I was gonna reply with this. Cuba never stood a chance against the bias. This is actually a recurring problem in Hollywood -- up and coming black actor wins an Oscar (usually supporting role to a less talented white actor). Said actor then drops off the face of the planet or struggles to pay the bills -- settling for degrading work in low-budget comedies, straight-to-DVD action movies, or cable TV. The Help is a great example. Keep an eye out for Octavia Spencer's future. Doesn't look so great to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavia_Spencer#Filmography On the other hand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_stone#Filmography
Meanwhile, "Johnny Chaddington" who started acting a few years ago lands the lead part in a $200 million flick for no clear reason other than marketability as young, white and hot. RDJ massively fucks up left and right throughout his life and he ends up fine; Terrence never stood a chance for daring to not be a good, complacent "boy."
triplestation
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yo terrance and rdj had a lot more chemistry, they were too fun to watch because there was great resistance with howard
i love the airplane scene where howard resists drinking but tony gets him to give in, so fucking good.. that was good comedy and i don't see that kind of fun unstoppable force/immovable object relationship with cheadle even though cheadle himself is capable of being funny.. just his character trying to resist tony's actions doesn't really fit
howard would have looked so fucking cool in the war machine armor too, cheadle doesnt really look fitting in it.. he's thin and howard looked like a nice bulky, semi chubby military airforce dude
come on howard, how do you not see how cool you were in that role, be humble man
i love the airplane scene where howard resists drinking but tony gets him to give in, so fucking good.. that was good comedy and i don't see that kind of fun unstoppable force/immovable object relationship with cheadle even though cheadle himself is capable of being funny.. just his character trying to resist tony's actions doesn't really fit
howard would have looked so fucking cool in the war machine armor too, cheadle doesnt really look fitting in it.. he's thin and howard looked like a nice bulky, semi chubby military airforce dude
come on howard, how do you not see how cool you were in that role, be humble man
Byakuya769
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If Howard ends up as Black Panther, I'm fucking shit up!
The Outsider
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Didn't see that, but I'm surprised that Tyler Perry had a good role. Next Morgan Freeman? Maybe I really should see it.
Terrence Howard going down this route is all his own fault. Can't act like the big bad studios were completely to blame. He wanted his payday right away when he had no leverage. Nobody really cared if a secondary character came back when RDJ was the star of the flick. It's called Iron Man.
The Faceless Master
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cutmeamango
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I want to feed off this rage.
Byakuya769
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Elba is already in his 40s. I'm sure he'll have a run at it, but the time it takes him is an indication of the problem.
Black-Wind
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THIS
Neither one looks like a War-Machine or Super Hero to me.
Cheadle looks too sad and doesn't LOOK like some top Gov Military guy to me. Howard plays that part BETTER ... but he doesn't look like a War-Machine either.
I'd argue that Kiss Kiss Bang Bang established the nu-RDJ that everyone loves now. Iron Man just blew him up.
If you refuse to cast narcissists in Hollywood you'll never get the movie made. It's really a shame someone at Marvel didn't fight harder to keep him, because Cheadle's Rhodes is just dead in the water throughout IM2. Howard's Rhodes was believable as someone who had a history with Tony and actually cared about what was going on with him, but Cheadle comes off as a pure military tool with no interest in Tony. Part of that is what Rhodes has to do in the IM2 plot, but I feel like Howard would have been able to make Rhodes sympathetic in the process of that, while Cheadle's Rhodes just feels like a dick. At no point in IM2 do I buy Rhodes having any kind of genuine friendship with Tony, and that is a major failing of the film.
cutmeamango
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Sorry, but this is a bit silly on all comparisons.
Octavia Spencer has to play older characters, and obese ones (how many white actresses not named Melissa McCarthy, who looks young btw, can you name?).
Comparing her to Emma Stone is all the bits unfair.
Now Taylor Kitsch, he doesn't have much movies lined up anymore, aside one that was already there before the flops. He certainly will benefit from being a hot white boy and have other chances to prove his worth, just like what happened to Tatum, but if he doesn't strike, he'll hit the slum. Rich by 3 poor efforts, but still.
RDJ was a good actor prior his poor steps in his private life, and luckily he found/was found to play a character that had many resemblances to him, and it met him right when he was recovering from his vices.
Howard is a good actor too, and I don't know what bridges were burnt for him by all that was reported between Iron Man 1 and 2, but he certainly wasn't forgotten. He was on a stride though and maybe (if we take that everything reported is true) he may have took a step larger than his legs allowed, pissing people down on his fall.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
This guy sounds like he has a killer ego.
And I didn't know being a 20mil/picture superstar was the end goal of an actor, figured doing great work was. He struck me as someone concerned more with the latter, but guess not.
And I didn't know being a 20mil/picture superstar was the end goal of an actor, figured doing great work was. He struck me as someone concerned more with the latter, but guess not.
Smiles and Cries
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The Outsider
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That's fair to say. But it wasn't until Iron Man blew up that he demanded the big bucks.
Entitled actor complaining about not making millions anymore while "settling" for $60,000? Meanwhile, countless people on a global scale are struggling to get by; can't feed their kids, pay their bills or afford nice things.
What a fucking clown.
Side Note: Don Cheadle is garbage as War Machine too.
What a fucking clown.
Side Note: Don Cheadle is garbage as War Machine too.
cutmeamango
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The character was written to doubt and go against his better judgment of Stark because of his history, to ultimately consolidate the buddy cop duo status.
The friendly Howard contrasts with Dicky Cheadle because one continued the character when he changes. Not because Cheadle acts like a dick.
This may sound weird right now, but wait till may!
I don't think this is true at all. This seems to not take into account that RDJ went to prison and was effectively blackballed from anything major in Hollywood. He was doing small supporting roles in low budget films for 10 years. He wasn't in any big budget films and he definitely wasn't in any staring roles. He had to go to TV when it was still seen as the hallmark of a dead career when a film actor went to TV. The casting of Iron Man was a huge gamble and RDJ having a relatively low asking price was a contributing factor.
On top of all of that, Robert Downey Jr. is a far more talented actor than Terrance Howard.
I think you missed the point while somehow reinforcing the point.
MWS Natural
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I like Cheadle more as an actor but Howard was better in this role.
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