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Is a 13GB game patch unreasonable?
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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Corronchilejano
Member
Why are we downloading stuff we cannot access again... ?
In theory, if I unlock it via hacking, would it be legal for me to use the content since they delivered it themselves to my system?
In theory, if I unlock it via hacking, would it be legal for me to use the content since they delivered it themselves to my system?
If complaining about the fixes makes me dumb, what does it make you for buying a game they knowingly shipped so broken that it needed such a huge patch?
I'm very calm
. I'm just tired of the fan boys throwing hate and incorrect facts about a system they dislike.See Battlefield 3-4/Origin Online
enanogrande
Member
Yes. If you need to patch your game to the tune of 13 GB either it is:
A) Massively broken, or
B) Designed in such a way to no accept incremental upgrades
and both of those things are unacceptable.
DLC is different, and in that cad I welcome 50+ GB of extra content, internet connection be damned. But a patch? Sorry, there's no reason it should be 13 GB.
A) Massively broken, or
B) Designed in such a way to no accept incremental upgrades
and both of those things are unacceptable.
DLC is different, and in that cad I welcome 50+ GB of extra content, internet connection be damned. But a patch? Sorry, there's no reason it should be 13 GB.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I suppose it depends on how much the patch does and how necessary the big filesize is. If it's the only way to make the changes needed I'd rather suck it up and download it than see them unaddressed.
That seemingly isn't going to happen. The process has been changed to "We'll release either a broken or buggy game and fix it later". There is certainly a balance that should be maintained but companies seemingly have no interest in maintaining it. So once these buggy games are out, I'm of the opinion that they do whatever it takes to fix it.
Impeccable
Member
Beyond the realm of comprehension.
since I'm enjoying the game quite alot , it makes me feel better that its improved. Should the wit her not have released enhanced editions?
tokyostomp
Banned
I'd say it's unreasonable to release a game that needs a 13GB patch of fixes. 13GB is a lot.
user friendly
Member
With an 80GB bandwidth cap, hell yes it is.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Word salad, with a splash of number dressing.
IdreamofHIME
Member
It's not a patch, it's the DLC. It's disgusting that they're getting away with this.
Sure they've listed what's in the "patch", but I'd like to see them break down how big each fix takes up. Coz I'm guessing about 12.5GB of the patch is just the fucking DLC's backdoor install.
Sure they've listed what's in the "patch", but I'd like to see them break down how big each fix takes up. Coz I'm guessing about 12.5GB of the patch is just the fucking DLC's backdoor install.
Alx
Member
I didn't think of DR3 as a multiplayer game, but you've got a point. If the big patch lets you play with other people who bought DLC while you didn't, it is not completely excessive. It should still give you the possibility to opt out though, or to download it later, at the risk of getting booted from a game (but then it was your decision).
akidnamededdy
Banned
What about this? http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=97802357&postcount=614
The 50% is indicative of the total install size of the game, not the total size of the patch, at least according to that post.
Second, uhhh, 7 gigs is still too goddamn big for a mandatory patch.
Canis lupus
Member
Uh no? Pretty sure many PS3 exclusives were on dual layered disks.
What did the patch change anyway?
Witcher 2 Enhanced came a year after the original release and added actual content. This came 3+ months after release and fixed issues that shouldn't have existed on a single-platform game, and added DLC you need to pay more to access.
Sure, that's exactly the same.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Unreasonable compared to what?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Uncharted 3 is 40+ if I remember correctly.
Azure Phoenix
Member
It is absolutely unreasonable. On my internet connection not only would that take roughly 10-12 hours, I'm on a bandwidth cap during weekdays so I'd have to wait until Saturday/Sunday to download it. Considering the patch dropped Monday, if I were to own an Xbox One and wanted to have played DR3 on that day I'd have to wait 5 days before being able to.
Not only that, but disgustingly sized "patches" like that make the automatic updates option completely useless because I'd have to turn it off so I could avoid bandwidth murdering ones like that.
I thought this whole problem of DLC having to either be on disc or a forced "patch" for everyone to keep online compatibility would be eliminated with this gen. Just why on earth can they not have it set up in a way that if you don't have the content needed to join someone's game it'll automatically download the required content in the background (at a trade off of load times)?
Not only that, but disgustingly sized "patches" like that make the automatic updates option completely useless because I'd have to turn it off so I could avoid bandwidth murdering ones like that.
I thought this whole problem of DLC having to either be on disc or a forced "patch" for everyone to keep online compatibility would be eliminated with this gen. Just why on earth can they not have it set up in a way that if you don't have the content needed to join someone's game it'll automatically download the required content in the background (at a trade off of load times)?
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Your average patch that's usually less than a gig.
Neuromancer
Member
Defiance is an MMO. There are expectations that come with that when it comes to updates and patches.
Omegasquash
Member
This is my thinking...if they're patching, then just patch. If they're forcing the DLC with the patch then like, what, why? It's space on the drive (negligible for some, not for others), it adds to the bandwidth cap for others. And for others I guess they don't care, but I just don't understand the principle behind forcing DLC onto your drive that you may or may not ever purchase.
On 56k...man that was brutal.
Fried Food
Banned
That doesn't make sense
The patch downloads 7 gigs.
1.5 gigs are added to the game
what did the other 5.5 gigs do?
opticalmace
Member
Is this the new slang I've been hearing about?
Bungie
Member
Patches take parts of the game files out & replaces them with new ones. So you aren't losing hardly any HDD space.
I'm very calm
I find it odd that you're calling people fanboys when they're simple responding to a specific situation regarding a specific game from a specific publisher -- who has pulled this crap before. It's not acceptable, and the only way to let them know is to voice displeasure. Don't be a sheep that just accepts whatever is thrown at you. And, be careful about throwing that fanboy moniker around lest it stick to you.
I feel horrible for people stuck with slow ISPs or data caps. It's just so messed up.
for most or all people it says 13GB but starts at 50%. My data usage only went up 7GB for the download plus all I did for the day.
while yes 7GB is still huge. Improving a game is not a bad thing. We all know every launch game was rushed. At least they are fixing it.
as for game size on hard drive, it only added 1.5 GB , the rest was rewriting the install.
My bandwidth monitor says your wrong.
The 50% proves nothing , all XO downloads show some weird installed % when patching , Forza 5 downloaded 325MB for me the other day and the download started at 82%
13GB patches are unacceptable , period.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Yeah, but the main focus of the discussion here is the size of the download itself, not how much hard drive space it takes up in the end, right?
Canis lupus
Member
Yeah, GoW3, Ascension, FFXIII, MGS4, TLOU, Resistance 3 are all above 30GB.
Neuromancer
Member
Maybe they're stored on the cloud for you.
Just a matter of scale. I'm personally surprised people have issues with patches that are a couple hundred megabytes still. With my connection, that takes only minutes if that. Then again I'm not rolling on some backwood dialup ISP with caps, so I can understand if people call it a problem.
If someone expected me to download a patch that was 80MB on my dreamcast a few years back when I was online, I would have told them to get lost as well. It's all relative to what connection you have access to I guess. Gigantic patches aren't really strange to me on PC either so I don't know.
Zomba13
Member
It's bullshit. It's ok for the people that want that DLC, then they don't have to buy it and download it, just buy it but if you don't want that stuff it's a massive waste of space and bandwidth.
Leave the DLC as DLC. If people want that on their systems they will buy it and then download it. Don't force it on people and then hope they'll buy it because it's already there (look at how much people hate on disc DLC). If it's stuff like added items and stuff for multiplayer then it's more reasonable though but I doubt it would need 13GB for just items/weapons and clothing.
FairXchange
Member
It's absolute BS. I have half a mind to trade the game, as I haven't downloaded the patch and can't play it otherwise. I live in Canada and have pisspoor DSL and this will absolutely push me over my 120GB limit for the month. Even worse, big downloads like this knocks everyone else on my network off for the hours that it'll take to download.
Who approved this nonsense? Even the 5GB update in Forza 5 was too much. Please stop this anyone and everyone who makes these kinds of decisions.
Oh, and the clincher? It doesn't even add any significant graphical improvements to the game (which suffers from a bunch of issues visually and performance-wise). It's just a DLC compatibility patch that pre-loads itself so when you buy it it's ready. Absolute nonsense.
Who approved this nonsense? Even the 5GB update in Forza 5 was too much. Please stop this anyone and everyone who makes these kinds of decisions.
Oh, and the clincher? It doesn't even add any significant graphical improvements to the game (which suffers from a bunch of issues visually and performance-wise). It's just a DLC compatibility patch that pre-loads itself so when you buy it it's ready. Absolute nonsense.
Did the game have a mandatory install? If so, it likely overwrite files in that.
games were rushed, while I don't agree with broken games I do agree with patching instead of doing nothing. The game was very playable before patch
I was furious with total war Rome 2 , that was a broken game. This isn't.
Waylon Drums
Member
I agree with this. It's NEVER ideal to have a 13 gig patch, for obvious reasons, but if a game needs a patch that big to run properly, I'd rather have it than not.
Gah! The color scheme on that website link is blinding!
But yes, I do think it's a bit unreasonable. If the game requires a major overhaul, it's time to delay shipping it. 13GB would've been a nightmare with any slow internet connection.
But if it included fixes, and a patch to lock new DLC (but added it to everyone's game), we've got some bigger problems ahead.
But yes, I do think it's a bit unreasonable. If the game requires a major overhaul, it's time to delay shipping it. 13GB would've been a nightmare with any slow internet connection.
But if it included fixes, and a patch to lock new DLC (but added it to everyone's game), we've got some bigger problems ahead.
