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Is cancer a fungus and can it be easily treated?

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CornBurrito said:
Read, The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat.

Experiences aren't "just are." Our perceptions can be completely inaccurate indicators of reality.
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I am under the impression that for some reason, you are eager to say that one did not have an experience if it did not connect to the "reality". I am sorry to have to burst the bubble here, but the experience happened anyway. Whether it is verifiable or whether it requires citation by someone or not is a totally different question.

I will go into "I do not want to live on this planet anymore" mode once the anti-philosophical mindset becomes the standard way of living. Not everything has to be about the consensus reality of ours. And that is not as solid as one might have been led to believe.
 
V_Arnold said:
I am under the impression that for some reason, you are eager to say that one did not have an experience if it did not connect to the "reality". I am sorry to have to burst the bubble here, but the experience happened anyway. Whether it is verifiable or whether it requires citation by someone or not is a totally different question.

Not everything has to be about the consensus reality of ours.
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This thread is about cancer.

You know how many deaths cancer causes? A hell of a lot. Someone perceiving their cancer as getting better will fucking die if it isn't actually getting better. It almost certainly does matter if their perceptions match reality.

But whatever. If you get cancer please feel free to not seek evidence based treatment in favor of whatever treatment replicashooter pulls up from one of the dozens of anti-science conspiracy blogs he has on hand.
 
CornBurrito said:
This thread is about cancer.

You know how many deaths cancer causes? A hell of a lot. Someone perceiving their cancer as getting better will fucking die if it isn't actually getting better. It almost certainly does matter if their perceptions match reality.
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Fact. Doctors misdiagnosed my husband's aggressive cancer as in remission, it had spread to his entire body in two months (which his only symptoms being an upset stomach and fatigue), before we realized. He was dead four days later. You're perceptions don't have to match reality. This is why things must be independently verified over and over again.
 
Featheredkitten said:
Fact. Doctors misdiagnosed my husband's aggressive cancer as in remission, it had spread to his entire body in two months (which his only symptoms being an upset stomach and fatigue), before we realized. He was dead four days later. You're perceptions don't have to match reality. This is why things must be independently verified over and over again.
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Wow, that's awful.

Damn, I'm so sorry.
 
Wow, I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here. Sleeping with your head in accordance with the north pole, thinking hard enough that your cancer will magically heal by the power of the mind.

What would some of you do if say, your arm was ripped off in a horrible mechanical mishap, you think a few hours of thought will stop the bleeding? Is that any different than cancer in the grand scheme of things?
 
ConvenientBox said:
Wow, I can't believe some of the things I'm reading here. Sleeping with your head in accordance with the north pole, thinking hard enough that your cancer will magically heal by the power of the mind.
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The last blog that replicashooter linked to, http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/05/l...d_the_germ_theory_of_disease_causation_1.html, (which shockingly doesn't cite sources for most of its claims) posits that in order to get a disease, you have to "feel" it into existence. Meaning cancer and the like aren't actually caused by buildup of mutations but some lack of willpower to not get cancer. It is one of the most vile forms of victim blaming I've seen.

We have to eat, drink, think, and feel them into existence. We work hard at developing our diseases. We must work just as hard at restoring health. The presence of germs does not constitute the presence of a disease. Bacteria are scavengers of nature...they reduce dead tissue to its smallest element. Germs or bacteria have no influence, whatsoever, on live cells.
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Again, no source is given for this claim. I'm struggling to see why replica views it as convincing, but not any of the decades of research studies demonstrating the effects of bacteria and germs on healthy cell cultures.

My favorite part of the blog:
if bacteria caused disease, everyone receiving their first vaccination would expire within 24 hours of inoculation.
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Anti-vaccination blog outright making a false claim? How shocking. It is almost as if the blog writer doesn't know how the immune system functions, or that vaccines use a weakened or dead form of the virus.

We are constantly breathing in some 14,000 germs and bacteria per hour. If germs are so harmful, why aren't we all dead?
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The blog writer here doesn't realize that we have an immune system. I guess he doesn't realize why AIDS patients die if untreated. The blog writer also fails to understand that not all bacteria are harmful. The vast majority are either neutral or beneficial with regards to human health. https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/sitnflash_wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/microbeo.pdf

Featheredkitten said:
Fact. Doctors misdiagnosed my husband's aggressive cancer as in remission, it had spread to his entire body in two months (which his only symptoms being an upset stomach and fatigue), before we realized. He was dead four days later. You're perceptions don't have to match reality. This is why things must be independently verified over and over again.
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I'm really sorry to hear this. Hopefully we develop betters tools in the future so that misdiagnoses like this will happen less and less. I can't even imagine what it would be to lose someone like that. :(
 
CornBurrito said:
This thread is about cancer.
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No. This thread is not about cancer. Even the OP shows you that this thread is a bashing of alternative treatments, some of which is utter and evil bullshit that just rips people off, and some that are actually good alternatives for mainstream medicine.

You know how many deaths cancer causes? A hell of a lot. Someone perceiving their cancer as getting better will fucking die if it isn't actually getting better. It almost certainly does matter if their perceptions match reality.
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I live in the same consensus reality as you do, so yes, I know. My father has lived with a cancer in his right testicle for 10+ years, until he had to finally deal with it, in 2002, they had to take it out. He survived, and he is as healthy as ever. *taps on table*. I have a hyphondric tendency, so tell me about it. Several women members of our family had died of breast cancer and its complications. I am well aware of the nature of this, and have often contemplated about it even at young age.

At the same time, I also know people who gave up chemoteraphy and pursued natural healing practices instead - and they got cured. (I.e. checked with doctor, it REALLY regressed, and finally disappeared, while with chemoteraphy, it was a futile battle.)

But whatever. If you get cancer please feel free to not seek evidence based treatment in favor of whatever treatment replicashooter pulls up from one of the dozens of anti-science conspiracy blogs he has on hand.
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What I do not get is how on one hand, you understand something as potentially lethal, and then in the other parapgraph, you urge me to do it. This is not good intent, and definitely not good will. Not a good argument either, because someone was talking about magnetic poles and feeling better, then the idea of experience vs verifiable reality came in, I added my piece, then you used the trump card as if we were talking about cancer all along. We were not.
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Featheredkitten: I am sorry for your loss :(
 
V_Arnold said:
No. This thread is not about cancer. Even the OP shows you that this thread is a bashing of alternative treatments, some of which is utter and evil bullshit that just rips people off, and some that are actually good alternatives for mainstream medicine.
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No, it's not at all. If you're gonna take some alternative medicine for a headache or other minor issue and it helps you then fair enough. Whether that's a placebo or not, whatever. It's your money to spend how you wish.
The thread was originally about manipulative dickheads telling cancer victims that they can cure them because cancer is a fungus. That is complete and utter bullshit.
 
CornBurrito said:
http://dartmed.dartmouth.edu/spring09/html/disc_remission.php
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Yeah, sorry, should have said citation needed even here as well.
I do not get what point you were trying to make, unless your point is that switching diets, reducing stress levels and such drastic changes to the standard western lifestyle CAN NOT help with the battle of cancer, in which case... in which case I am throwing my gloves in. (The case I am talking about was not breast cancer btw, but something in the stomach. Do not know the specifics.)
 
CornBurrito said:
I'm really sorry to hear this. Hopefully we develop betters tools in the future so that misdiagnoses like this will happen less and less. I can't even imagine what it would be to lose someone like that. :(
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Me too, but at the same time his type of cancer had a 80% mortality rate, so it's something were prepared for, as much as you can prepare for something like that (i.e. very little).

They point is, the better we at diagnosing and treating cancer the more people will live healthy lives after cancer. These advances won't be made with homeopathic "medicines" that only work because of the placebo effect or come with the endorsement "It worked for my sister's boyfriend's mom!"
 
V_Arnold said:
Yeah, sorry, should have said citation needed even here as well.
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I wouldn't need to say it so much if people provided citations in the first place :)

V_Arnold said:
unless your point is that switching diets, reducing stress levels and such drastic changes to the standard western lifestyle CAN NOT help with the battle of cancer
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Do you have some malware that redirects you when you click on links? Because I don't see how you drew this conclusion from what I linked.
 
CornBurrito said:
Do you have some malware that redirects you when you click on links? Because I don't see how you drew this conclusion from what I linked.
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No, I have the non-native english syndrome, which led me to read this as "remission = disappearence" :P Now that I have looked up the word, it makes more sense.

So your point is? Is that you should still check it even after you have "won"? I am not against that.
 
V_Arnold said:
No, I have the non-native english syndrome, which led me to read this as "remission = disappearence" :P Now that I have looked up the word, it makes more sense.

So your point is? Is that you should still check it even after you have "won"? I am not against that.
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The main takeaway is that some cancers (at the very least, breast cancer) may spontaneously go into remission at a rate higher than we once thought. I propose a hypothesis that alternative treatments that demonstrate little (if any) effectiveness in the lab setting may "work" for someone because their cancer goes into spontaneous remission coincidentally around the time they start the alternative cure. This would explain why there are anecdotes of prayer being able to cure cancer in very very rare cases, even though prayer does not have demonstrable effectiveness in the lab and seemingly fails to work for most. This is just a hypothesis of course, but something to possibly keep in mind.

Now, this could also mean that some people will undergo chemotherapy and at the same time have their cancer undergo spontaneous remission leading them to think that the chemotherapy did something when it actually did not. Of course, the effectiveness of chemotherapy has been demonstrated in laboratory settings. And chemotherapy seems to work well above the spontaneous remission rate, unless we've been vastly underestimating the spontaneous remission rates for all types of cancers (which I suppose is possible).
 
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