ChronotriggerJM
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Agreed, just trying to wrap my head around a comparison of the two lol. The consoles are designed for space savings, PC's typically not so.
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Is it possible to build a gaming PC same specs as Xbox one X for 500$ to 600$ ?
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Agreed, just trying to wrap my head around a comparison of the two lol. The consoles are designed for space savings, PC's typically not so.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
9GB for games.
Lister
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Well there's nowhere left to go but up after the nonsense being posted.
I'm just calling them as I see it. These are 2007 level arguments. The SAME arguments that came up when the PS4 came out and where debuked. The SAME arguments that came out when the Pro was annoucned and where debunked.
joecanada
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Then you play a game with proper port. That's the whole point actually that on pc there's always a better game waiting . Project cars maybe ? Dirt ? Instead of Forza ? What about the gimped ports on consoles with bad frame rates ? Are we going to discuss what to do about those ?
I mean this thread has basically turned into
" If you could only build an exact replica of x1 would you ?"
So if that's the real question then just say it and the PC crowd can all nope out of here .
petran79
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Can the XBox1 run Taito Type X?
most UWP games perform better on pcs cheaper than the one x? that's the whole point bud. of course UWP games will perform way better than any console on your monster pc, that's not the point of this whole comparison
if you're going to play Project cars and Dirt instead of forza you never need a xbox console to begin with
Then why worry about matching the specs of a console. If your main reason to build a pc is for benefits other then performance. You can have all those benefits at any price bracket unless it's a graphics mod that demands more GPU/CPU horsepower.
GeordieMark
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Of course it can be done. Anything can be done with a PC if you chuck enough money at it. The answer you are looking for in this case is no, it can't for $500.
Clearly you get better PC component deals in the States than most other countries. That's fair enough, but most people don't live in the US. The X will be £450 in the U.K. The RX480 is about £200. A RX580 is closer to £300. There is no way you could build a PC comparable for that money.
Lister
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The PC is definitely amroe generla purpose machine. The acocmplishment of the consoles isn't so much in super performance, but in low power, low cost performance.
Better than I thought. Still not really a difference vs a gmaing PC with the usual 8 gigs of RAM + 6 gigs of VRAM.
Lister
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Lister
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Well I can folow your own logic in that case and say that even LESS of the world lives in the UK. SO who cares.
Or in other words, I'm not disagreeing with you. If you look bakc at my posts, I'm not claiming equivalency here EXCEPT in terms of gaming performance. That's bene my only point.
In fact I SPECIFICALLY said that in terms of media center value the Xbone is fantastic - the S, more so than the X. It's why I own one.
IMHO - if your hobby is gaming and you have the money to invest in this VERY EXPENSIVE hobby, you are probably best served by owning a gaming PC + a console of your choice. And NOT to just own one platform.
If budget is a concern, well that's goign to vary based on your budget.
icecold1983
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monitor should not be a factor in price. a real OS should
If you compare both platforms then no, the Xbox One X is the far more affordable, better built, pre configured choice.
But PC will let you do more if you are interested in that but expect to spend more time configuring, building and generally getting involved in the hobby or spending the big bucks for a nice pre-built/configured rig.
But PC will let you do more if you are interested in that but expect to spend more time configuring, building and generally getting involved in the hobby or spending the big bucks for a nice pre-built/configured rig.
Lister
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In terms of gaming performance for the buck, I think you're overselling it. It's not "far more affordable", especially not if you take life time costs into account.
It's deifnitely got a competitive entry point, and if you care aout the media center value in there, it's a great price point for what you get.
Yeah for the good SFF (small form factor) designs you are putting down $200 on the chassis alone. Even the crappy ones set you back $100.
No, no list wars lol. This thread has already gotten outta control with the include the price of the TV/monitor, what's next the place you live and the electric bill.
PC has tons of features X1X doesn't have or do. Currently right now X1X has the BC but yeah it's eventually coming to PC.
Lister
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So you were just being sarcastic. Sorry, it's hard to tell in these threads.
A PC would allow you to play Sega Master System, Genesis, Dreamcast, Nes, Snes, Gameboy, Nintendo64, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U, PS1, PS2, Arcade, Neo Geo, etc. games. Although the extra hardware required to dump games from certain platforms is an added expense so the Xbox BC has a price advantage there.
Yes. If you're not going to factor in the display when talking about the price of a console, there's no reason you should when talking about a PC. A display is a display at this point, and either can connect to any display the other can.
Nostremitus
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Purely from a hardware specs perspective? Absolutely, but you won't have 4k Blu-ray.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KDygjc
And, the games you buy on it keep working after you upgrade in a couple of years, hell even after several upgrades.
Or wait till later this year and build using Ryzen3. You'll get 4c8T at i3 prices.
Tweak settings and play 4k30 just like the Xbox One X.
I can play some games in 4k on my HTPC with an old 290x paired with an Athlon 860k. The 1060 and Kabylake i3 are more capable, though.
Still, if you are planning a budget build, wait for Ryzen3.
Get a Windows 10 key from a reseller and you still get the vast majority of Xbox Exclusives.
I could have thrown in a $60 860k and bargain bin motherboard and still outperformed the 8 Jaguar cores.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KDygjc
And, the games you buy on it keep working after you upgrade in a couple of years, hell even after several upgrades.
Or wait till later this year and build using Ryzen3. You'll get 4c8T at i3 prices.
Tweak settings and play 4k30 just like the Xbox One X.
I can play some games in 4k on my HTPC with an old 290x paired with an Athlon 860k. The 1060 and Kabylake i3 are more capable, though.
Still, if you are planning a budget build, wait for Ryzen3.
Get a Windows 10 key from a reseller and you still get the vast majority of Xbox Exclusives.
I could have thrown in a $60 860k and bargain bin motherboard and still outperformed the 8 Jaguar cores.
Ryzen 5 and a board from MC for $179, no joke.
Nostremitus
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Nice.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Ryzen 5's release means you can get huge bang for your buck these days in terms of CPU (+ motherboard).
petran79
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Microsoft endorsed piracy of their OS for decades anyway
MadJackChurchill
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With a used office surplus computer and an AMD RX 480, yeah.
No UHD drive though and no guarantee that it'll stick around.
No UHD drive though and no guarantee that it'll stick around.
It's a good price for the One X.
Btw, bet the next one is just Xbox X and runs windows 10 locked to the windows store, possibly adding backwards compatibility to PC too.
After that, it's "The New Xbox X"
No joke, higher fps can make a huge difference.
Talking about mouse aim here, my monitor only does 60fps, it is 4k but my 980ti doesn't quite cut it half the time with new games with settings at a decent quality. Anyway, ignoring the visual improvement in what you'll see, when you can uncap the framerate so the game is actually running faster - your mouse accuracy increases with continuous movement. You can still feel a difference at like 100fps vs 120fps where it's basically in sync.
I was testing it out recently playing Quake Champions, it makes a big difference.
In an FPS anyway.
4K is nice because you can see more clearly into the distance of the game. But it's not worth the latency. If it still looks good with some settings knocked down that's worth it, unless it's a skill demanding fps game.
It'd be the same with a controller, and for a racing/action game.
Btw, bet the next one is just Xbox X and runs windows 10 locked to the windows store, possibly adding backwards compatibility to PC too.
After that, it's "The New Xbox X"
No joke, higher fps can make a huge difference.
Talking about mouse aim here, my monitor only does 60fps, it is 4k but my 980ti doesn't quite cut it half the time with new games with settings at a decent quality. Anyway, ignoring the visual improvement in what you'll see, when you can uncap the framerate so the game is actually running faster - your mouse accuracy increases with continuous movement. You can still feel a difference at like 100fps vs 120fps where it's basically in sync.
I was testing it out recently playing Quake Champions, it makes a big difference.
In an FPS anyway.
4K is nice because you can see more clearly into the distance of the game. But it's not worth the latency. If it still looks good with some settings knocked down that's worth it, unless it's a skill demanding fps game.
It'd be the same with a controller, and for a racing/action game.
The Wraith
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I would like to preface this by saying I'm not an expert at this by any means but I would think the super high bandwidth of the GDDR 5 ram in the X1X is huge. The graphics chip should be good but the CPU is horrendous. The memory and graphics chip might price traditional Pc components of equal performance out of the 500$ price point. Overall a great price/performance ratio for the X1X.
It is not possible, not even close, to build a PC with the same specs as an Xbox One X for the same price. Secondly, even if you did, it will not perform as well due to optimizations. And lastly, I would argue, that for you to achieve what the Xbox One is doing, you would need at least a 1070 with 16gbs of RAM and a i5, like Digital Foundry mentions, it is pretty amazing what they have achieved. Me personally, I think the price is great for what you get, specially when you consider the 30-40% power advantage over PS4 Pro for 25% more in price. Not a product for everybody but a great product none the less. I have a PC, I am not a console apologist, but this narrative is simply false, unless they mean you save money on Steam, in which case, they are right, kidding, but seriously, you do.
Fixed2BeBroken
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yea but you arent getting an exact uhd digital replica. you get a compressed 1080p version
Beerman462
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Wrong
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
How so?
SHAFT MASTER
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If you're saying that you're only going to factor the cost of an upgrade because the money you spent on the existing PC somehow doesn't count then I'm gonna laugh at you.
Also anyone in here posting a parts sheet without a copy of windows in that cost is cheating. And don't tell me you're gonna run Linux. Because you're not. Linux is good for a lot of things. Gaming is not one of them.
the_darkness
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Uh, optimisation to a locked spec is an actual thing and not "coding to the metal".
Keep pushing that barrow though.
There are actually benchmarks out there you know.
A G4560 is incompatible with that motherboard unless you flash an updated bios which you need an old skylake CPU to do.
But building a gaming PC is so easy guys why would anyone want to just buy a box off the shelf!?!
XT Vengeance
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No.
That being said, companies like Microsoft but the parts I bulk quantities for much cheaper which is why that can do things like this. They also are okay with taking a loss sometimes for greater long term gains.
That being said, companies like Microsoft but the parts I bulk quantities for much cheaper which is why that can do things like this. They also are okay with taking a loss sometimes for greater long term gains.
Chief Devin
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Why would someone give up a PC and all its games for a Xbox that only has Halo over it?
Indeed and they show that there are no gains from having a locked spec on the GPU side. A downclocked 470 performs exactly like a PS4 Pro. A downclocked 7870 performs exactly like a PS4.
Lister
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Yes, there are... apparently you haven't actually seen any as they show exactly the OPPOSITE of what you claim.
Remember the 750ti debacle. Man, I loved those threads.
ODDI
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MS announced a Master Chief 1X?
LordRaptor
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But third parties aren't generally going to be doing that for the XOXO, they will be doing it for the basic X1.
Unless you think for some reason third parties are going to start giving a shit about the XOXO in a way that they don't give a shit about the PS4Pro.
We should have a thread after Xbox One X comes out where digital foundry reviews of the games are dissected, and people that are able to attain the same fidelity on their PC post the specs so we can price it out. If Assassin's Creed comes out running at a stable 30FPS, high resolution, and PC high settings, let's see the PCs that are hitting that.
There are several threads on here saying that it took literally hours to get games running 4K on XbX. Major Nelson did an interview with a developer saying all they had to do was change a few lines of code from the XB1 code base. Why do you assume it would be so difficult for them to optimize for the X?
There are several threads on here saying that it took literally hours to get games running 4K on XbX. Major Nelson did an interview with a developer saying all they had to do was change a few lines of code from the XB1 code base. Why do you assume it would be so difficult for them to optimize for the X?
Lister
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I would hope simply unlocking the resolution would only be a few lines of code, but that doesn't mean it runs well like that, or possible the opposite, that it's not taking full advantage of the hardware like that (still running at Xbone settings where XboneX might be able to do better).
I also agree wiht your sentiment, that we won't be able to price out a system accurately and fairly until the XboneX releases and we see the benchmarks.
PC hardware gets cheaper every 4-6 months or so and we won't know the settings and performance of game son the XboneX until November.
Well I'm convinced.
You won't get nearly the same performance as what we know we're getting from Xbox One X out of a $500 PC. And if you go above $500 (which you'll have to) to match the parts exactly you still won't equal the performance MS is claiming.
If you've got anything to prove me wrong other than 'Wrong' please post it.