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[AlexxKidd]

I think when you compare ps3 to the other sony consoles, it was the standout in a bad way, not a failure. 88 million is really good. It was also my least favorite sony console by a huge margin to boot. I was not a fan of its exclusives with only a few exceptions.

Well yes, obviously when you're comparing Sony against Sony the PlayStation 3 didn't measure up to the the standard they've set, which is selling 100-plus million units.

However many people are comparing Sony against Microsoft, and if you're going to do that the discussion changes.

 

[Romulus]

However many people are comparing Sony against Microsoft, and if you're going to do that the discussion changes.

And to that point, I just think comparing MS to Sony is sort of a joke though and shouldn't even be mentioned it's so lopsided. The only big console sales success MS has had was the 360, and much of that was hand delivered by Sony with a bowtie, and MS still couldn't win the generation.

 

[AlexxKidd]

And to that point, I just think comparing MS to Sony is sort of a joke though and shouldn't even be mentioned it's so lopsided. The only big console sales success MS has had was the 360, and much of that was hand delivered by Sony with a bowtie, and MS still couldn't win the generation.

Indeed. Think about it, the only big success they had was the 360, which sold the same or a couple million less according to IGN than the 'failure' PS3. When the numbers of one company's 'failure' are equal or greater to another's biggest success, you'd think you might wanna chill with the shit talking.

 

[Senhua]

One of the most reason why Sony top Ms this gen is the abundant choice of Japanese exclusive game from third party developer (though debatable some acquired via moneyhat or not). And one of the worst mistake Sony make this gen is moved their HQ to US and rebrand SCE as SIE, and that made all decision making solely decided by their US one.
Japanese third party dev make games with their culture knowledge as Japanese/orientals while the higher up at SIE made the policy decision based on their culture knowledge as western. Usually this is not a problem as platform holder usually din't dictate what okay/not in regards of the content because of the potential culture difference.
I find this kind of move by SIE is more like imperialism based on culture / cultural racism toward oriental ethnic.

I wish starting with PS5, beside the obvious moneyhat ones like Bloodborne, Nier Automata and Sakura Wars less less Japanese third party will release their game only on SIE console exclusively.

 

[Halo0629]

Nah sony learned their lesson. They still might be cocky today or going to next gen but I doubt it will be as cocky like during the ps3 era.

 

[vkbest]

There's no way they could repeat the same mistakes as the PS3.

The have killed PS5 on Japan, so 5-7 million they could lose only on Japan. More competition, less exclusive games ever.

I'm sure Sony can win next generation but they will suffer stupids decisions from now (censorship, little financing second party games and lose exclusivity games they own the IP such as Detroit or Beyond)

 

[mejin]

insane posts about sony losing japanese devs support. LMAO

 

[Badlucktroll]

Calling it now: $499 with a 1TB SSD, $599 with a 2TB SSD.

 

[Dontero]

On the other hand, one of the main selling points for consoles from my POV is a fixed hardware target.

Again. You have PC right now with literally thousands of different configs and you can still play GTA5 on most of them.
So it make no sense anymore to make one console. It was already clear when Sony and MS released pro version of those consoles.

Previously you couldn't do that because each hardware was custom made and only sporadically something like that happened but that was looong time ago with Sega hardware.

 

[Ozymandias013]

Exactly, you hit the nail on the head here, iphones used to be 600 euro , now they're over 1000. We get incredible value from our consoles and it sounds like there is some really impressive tech in this. I'd happily pay 500 or so. Just keep bringing the games.
Imagine that .8 second load time, raytracing in a naughty dog game and 3d audio increasing the tension in TLOU2... Gonna be so exciting.

I guess you missed a point,Iphones and mobile phones in general are things that you use every day,hour and minutes,consoles are mostly for playing games,expensive games,while a lot of players are adults,more than half are kids under 18 that wait for their parents to buy them,and a 500eur is expensive when you have a lot of other expenses and when in EU there are still countries that their paychecks are 500eur,you see things from your perspective.For most parents these are toys,expensive toys.

 

[ROMhack]

They obviously will. Corporations have an unerring tendency to lose track of what made them successful when they're on top.

 

[funkygunther]

All we've got is their unwavering support of VR and some SSDs to go on in terms of their future scope. But this generation they've developed such a bursting war chest of good will and actual money that it would take a fuck-up 10 times bigger than MS going all in on DRM to make a dent to PS5 launch.

 

[Pagusas]

I do not believe the game audience is so poor that $500 is a bad price to launch a system at.

 

[Bryank75]

I guess you missed a point,Iphones and mobile phones in general are things that you use every day,hour and minutes,consoles are mostly for playing games,expensive games,while a lot of players are adults,more than half are kids under 18 that wait for their parents to buy them,and a 500eur is expensive when you have a lot of other expenses and when in EU there are still countries that their paychecks are 500eur,you see things from your perspective.For most parents these are toys,expensive toys.

Phones are too.

 

[Afro Republican]

And again, inflation is negated (mostly) by decreasing tech costs.

Spikes in cost are accounted for by new/exotic tech. The PS3 was $600 because of the Cell and Blu-ray (the cheapest standard Blu-ray player at the time was $1000).

PS4 was down to $400. An increase with PS5 could happen, but only because of transition to SSD.

The PS3 was $500 at base.

 

[Insane Metal]

Is Sony heading in for another PS3-level disaster?

Yes, all hail XBox! XBox wins nextgen by default.

 

[Racer!]

The PS3 was $500 at base.

Yeah, as a cut down sku 12 years ago.


399$ in 2013 is about 450$ now.

500$ in 2006 is about 650$ now.

500$ PS5 is not expensive at all, and if the rumored specs are to be believed, a bargain.

 

[Caffeine]

People buying $2000 phones like its nothing , $500 will be the norm.

 

[Afro Republican]

Yeah, as a cut down sku 12 years ago.


399$ in 2013 is about 450$ now.

500$ in 2006 is about 650$ now.

500$ PS5 is not expensive at all, and if the rumored specs are to be believed, a bargain.

Your whole post is completely irrelevant.

My post was on the fact the PS3 was $500, that's literally it. You're using defense force tactics when there's nothing to defend.

 

[LittleBusters]

People buying $2000 phones like its nothing , $500 will be the norm.

LOL, how many dozens of Galaxy Folds have been sold? Nobody is buying $1000 phones now as evidenced by iPhone xR doing way better than iPhone xS/xS Max.

 

[Caffeine]

LOL, how many dozens of Galaxy Folds have been sold? Nobody is buying $1000 phones now as evidenced by iPhone xR doing way better than iPhone xS/xS Max.

we will find out when they send them in for repairs.

 

[theclaw135]

And again, inflation is negated (mostly) by decreasing tech costs.

Spikes in cost are accounted for by new/exotic tech. The PS3 was $600 because of the Cell and Blu-ray (the cheapest standard Blu-ray player at the time was $1000).

PS4 was down to $400. An increase with PS5 could happen, but only because of transition to SSD.

Exotic tech is Sony's modus operandi. I'm skeptical PS5 will have an instruction set compatible with PS4.

They'll probably continue to pass the costs of the disc format onto developers too.
PS3 and PS4 games had to use blu-ray, even titles that'd fit on a DVD. (retro collections and indie stuff).

 

[cartman414]

Exotic tech is Sony's modus operandi. I'm skeptical PS5 will have an instruction set compatible with PS4.

They'll probably continue to pass the costs of the disc format onto developers too.
PS3 and PS4 games had to use blu-ray, even titles that'd fit on a DVD. (retro collections and indie stuff).

WAS their modus operandi. Why would they go back to something that bit them in the ass?

 

[Foxbat]

I don't think the PS5 will be a disaster by any measure. I expect it will sell a ton, and by GAF's measure... That's all that matters.

I think the next Xbox is likely to be the better console though. I expect MS's hardware to be of a higher quality than Sony's as that trend should continue.

On the games front this gen, MS has had the stigma of relying too heavily on sequels and not introducing enough new ip's, while Sony has done the opposite. Next gen I expect it'll be Sony spitting out sequel after sequel. HZD2, TLOU2, another Spiderman probably, along with a few others. Meanwhile MS's recently aquired developers should start to bear fruit. They'll all have games releasing next gen, and almost all of it should be new ip's.

 

[goldenpp72]

No. MS has a lot more work ahead of them due to the spanking they took this gen.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

PS5 will be fine.

It seems the biggest worries are censorship and price.

1. Censorship. Probably 0.1% of PS gamers care about white lighted bums and upskirting

2. Price. By the sounds of the tech, it sounds like PS5 and X2 will be around $500. Doesn't matter. Sony has the branding and at worst, PS5 will be the same price as X2.

A rumour has MS having two consoles. No way P5 will be same/more expensive as MS's higher power console. A possibility is PS5 is right in the middle of MS's low end and that end system. That is fine. I don't see tons of next gen gamers buying a cheap MS streaming box over a traditional PS5 system even if it's $100 cheaper

 

[cryptoadam]

If you wanna play AAA HD gaming on your couch then its either MS or Sony. And Sony just has more mindshare right now. Unless MS comes out more expensive they will have it tough.

But if you want to game either PC, which most people aren't into evidence by failure of steam machines to take off. So you get a console.

What could be Sony's mistake is not using PS NOW to fight off Gamepass/xcloud/stadia. If cloud gaming can be good enough then the value proposition of a 300-500$ console becomes a very tough sell.

And even though I think streaming is the future, its not going to be there by 2020. I think Sony has 5 years to sell PS5's before game streaming becomes main stream enough to take away PS sales.

 

[Foxbat]

If you wanna play AAA HD gaming on your couch then its either MS or Sony. And Sony just has more mindshare right now. Unless MS comes out more expensive they will have it tough.

But if you want to game either PC, which most people aren't into evidence by failure of steam machines to take off. So you get a console.

What could be Sony's mistake is not using PS NOW to fight off Gamepass/xcloud/stadia. If cloud gaming can be good enough then the value proposition of a 300-500$ console becomes a very tough sell.

And even though I think streaming is the future, its not going to be there by 2020. I think Sony has 5 years to sell PS5's before game streaming becomes main stream enough to take away PS sales.

I agree. I think some of the issues with streaming will take a few years to iron out. So in the meantime I expect traditional consoles to still do really well.

About 5 years into next gen though, streaming may be competitive with traditional consoles. Sony and MS had better be prepared when that time comes if it does.

 

[CJY]

I don't really care about Sony's new censorship policy... They are just catching up to Nintendo in this area who have had extremely strict censorship for decades.

PS3 didn't sell 88 million. We don't have actual numbers on that and Sony won't even comment on it.

However the PS3 was a disaster, not in sales, but in everything else, Sony literally was thought to be heading toward the end for like 3 years straight, they were closing down divisions, tons of layoffs, changing what they were producing, selling buildings, and more. (Also how did the 360 only sell 1 million in 2.5 years after it was announced at 84 million in summer 2014? Just the two holiday months in 2014 make up around half of that in JUST The US.)


However, Sony did manage to prevent that and got the PS3 to build enough momentum to stop losing money and put out the successful PS4.

The failings of the PS3 served Sony very well to make them less arrogant, to focus resources on what matters: the games.

The PS3 laid the foundation for their current success. Ken kuturagi failing with the architecture of PS3 gave us Mark Cerny. Ps3 was obviously a disaster in many ways but the idea that there is any shadowing of those darker days with the ps5 is woefully misguided.

 

[Foxbat]

I don't really care about Sony's new censorship policy... They are just catching up to Nintendo in this area who have had extremely strict censorship for decades.


The failings of the PS3 served Sony very well to make them less arrogant, to focus resources on what matters: the games.

The PS3 laid the foundation for their current success. Ken kuturagi failing with the architecture of PS3 gave us Mark Cerny. Ps3 was obviously a disaster in many ways but the idea that there is any shadowing of those darker days with the ps5 is woefully misguided.

• How does Nintendo have a stricter censorship policy than Sony? Aren't there games now being released that are censored on PS4 but not the switch? I'm thinking you're a bit misinformed on that one.

• I agree, but you basically just repeated what the person you quoted said.

 

[Shangounchained]

1000s of people would line up to buy a new iPhone for 1000£ even though it's a small to nothing upgrade from the last iphones but will moan jump up and down cry and eat feaces when a next gen console comes out for 500£+ n this type of fake crybaby consumers are a thorn in this industry I hope Sony makes the ps5 with 8gb ram and sell it for 50£ so we can all go to sleep

 

[Ar¢tos]

The have killed PS5 on Japan, so 5-7 million they could lose only on Japan. More competition, less exclusive games ever.

I'm sure Sony can win next generation but they will suffer stupids decisions from now (censorship, little financing second party games and lose exclusivity games they own the IP such as Detroit or Beyond)

The censorship is fine. A few dozen pedophile wannabes won't buy the console, no big loss there.
How can they lose exclusivity of games they own? It's obvious it was their decision to bring those games to pc.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Lets see the price first. I'm hoping after Microsoft kicked their asses in the backward comparability Sony will wake up and see this is what people want.

I still want a legit way to play PS2 discs without emulating it or using an old PS2.

 

[vkbest]

The censorship is fine. A few dozen pedophile wannabes won't buy the console, no big loss there.
How can they lose exclusivity of games they own? It's obvious it was their decision to bring those games to pc.

They are not censoring pedophile material, first because they are censoring games with adult characters too, not only teen girls, second because pedophile games never would pass west ratings and they are doing. You don't see characters having sex on Japanese games, in fact you can see on Dragon Age, Witcher, Mass Effect, GTA or RDR. You don't see nude characters on Japanese games, but you can see on western games I mentioned before.

The reality, Japanese people buy those games, so if those guys don't buy PS5, those games and other niche games will not release either. After you would lose sagas such as Yakuza, Persona, Dragón Quest whose main market is Japan

They are losing exclusives sagas such as Yakuza and probably Persona

Detroit, Beyond, flower, journey, and flower are Sony IP, and will release on Epic Store. What is the point buying a PS5 if I can buy all games on PC? I could decide if buy a PC or PS5, no need both

 

[nowhat]

Detroit, Beyond, flower, journey, and flower are Sony IP, and will release on Epic Store. What is the point buying a PS5 if I can buy all games on PC?

How many first-party Sony IPs do you see on that list (that contains Flower twice, BTW)? I'm not going to get into the debate of whether the first-party exclusives are good or not (personally I enjoy them, YMMV), but if you want to play them, PC is not an option.

 

[Ar¢tos]

They are not censoring pedophile material, first because they are censoring games with adult characters too, not only teen girls, second because pedophile games never would pass west ratings and they are doing. You don't see characters having sex on Japanese games, in fact you can see on Dragon Age, Witcher, Mass Effect, GTA or RDR. You don't see nude characters on Japanese games, but you can see on western games I mentioned before.

The reality, Japanese people buy those games, so if those guys don't buy PS5, those games and other niche games will not release either. After you would lose sagas such as Yakuza, Persona, Dragón Quest whose main market is Japan

They are losing exclusives sagas such as Yakuza and probably Persona

Detroit, Beyond, flower, journey, and flower are Sony IP, and will release on Epic Store. What is the point buying a PS5 if I can buy all games on PC? I could decide if buy a PC or PS5, no need both

What game with Adult characters was censored BY SONY REQUEST? (dmc was Capcom iniciative, not Sony).
They got basically all the profit they could from those games on ps3, then on Ps4, now they release them on pc for a 3rd wave of profit. They are old games, nothing to lose by releasing them on pc, the amount of sales on ps5 would be minimal since BC is not a big reason for resales.

 

[Ðuelist]

Still wish they sold that boomerang controller...

 

[n0razi]

If PS3 is a "disaster", I want some more of that please

 

[Bradamante3D]

I am pretty sure that Sony is aware that consumers will wonder how the price hike from 400$ to 500$ would be justified. Therefore I wouldn't be too surprised if Sony adds some value on top of the box purchase, like a free media subscription.

Other than that the opening post is poorly conceived and argued. For example, how anyone can argue that

Microsoft has cleaned house on management, and has slowly turned the Xbox One into a solid product with a lot of great games.

is beyond me. Halo Infinite better be the miracle mega seller of this generation to make that statement true.

 

[MagnesG]

Vague censorship guidelines is a big no no for developers, it might a small issue for now but it snowball later.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

*rubs crystal ball*

Can't say because it's just a fucking crystal ball.

 

[BlueDogAnchorite]

Yes, due to Sony's censorship, I'm now going to be getting the next Xbox, and not getting the PS5

 

[Freeman454]

If you wanna play AAA HD gaming on your couch then its either MS or Sony. And Sony just has more mindshare right now. Unless MS comes out more expensive they will have it tough.

Everything MS is also PC, Halo Infinite is being designed with PC in mind. One could say that you only need a PS if you like its exclusives.

But if you want to game either PC, which most people aren't into evidence by failure of steam machines to take off. So you get a console.

The PC gaming market is bigger then any of the consoles induvidually, perhaps even combined.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Give me a console that is powerful as all hell. I don't care if it costs £750+. If some scrubs want to complain about the price, while paying for Sky, Iphones, drugs, alcohol and Mcdonalds everyday then to hell with 'em.

Grown men complaining about shelling out a few hundred quid on a console are the same people who will piss £150 a week up the wall on booze.

You have five years to save for a console. Stop holding people back with your shitty £350 price tag.


OP : no I don't see PS5 hitting any issues. Microsoft have to fight uphill to win the hearts and minds of gamers. At the end of the PS3 lifecycle, Sony tried their best to win back gamers, while Don Rattrick forced Kinect on everybody...and then TV TV TV.

The proof will be In the pudding come E3. If it's a Powerpoint presentation about sales and figures, then Microsoft haven't changed.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Give me a console that is powerful as all hell. I don't care if it costs £750+. If some scrubs want to complain about the price, while paying for Sky, Iphones, drugs, alcohol and Mcdonalds everyday then to hell with 'em.

Grown men complaining about shelling out a few hundred quid on a console are the same people who will piss £150 a week up the wall on booze.

You have five years to save for a console. Stop holding people back with your shitty £350 price tag.


OP : no I don't see PS5 hitting any issues. Microsoft have to fight uphill to win the hearts and minds of gamers. At the end of the PS3 lifecycle, Sony tried their best to win back gamers, while Don Rattrick forced Kinect on everybody...and then TV TV TV.

The proof will be In the pudding come E3. If it's a Powerpoint presentation about sales and figures, then Microsoft haven't changed.

Consoles are a funny thing.

Make a console $100 more than usual and gamers go ape shit even though that extra $100 could make a difference. A good console should get a solid 5 years of gaming before someone wants to move on. So basically save $20 per year for 5 years and there's the $100 to buy a better system.

All someone has to do once per year is eat in for dinner instead of ordering a pizza...... but gamers would rather buy a pizza.

 

[majestix1988]

a disaster if they push this censorship instead the console is so good being worldwide console unlike xbox one or switch has no problematic regarding censorship..some fans of games will chose a better version of the game on other console after they heard on see it on internet via youtube...regretting to buy a ps5

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Consoles are a funny thing.

Make a console $100 more than usual and gamers go ape shit even though that extra $100 could make a difference. A good console should get a solid 5 years of gaming before someone wants to move on. So basically save $20 per year for 5 years and there's the $100 to buy a better system.

All someone has to do once per year is eat in for dinner instead of ordering a pizza...... but gamers would rather buy a pizza.

Yep. It drives me up the wall.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yep. It drives me up the wall.

Gamers also dont understand that for $100, a console can get beefed up more than a PC.

Spend $100 more for PC parts will get you better specs, but after the store and chip maker makes their profit cut, what a PC gamer probably gets is $50 worth of better parts. You'll never see a store or chip maker purposely lose money selling a PC part.

With consoles stores sell them for about breakeven, Sony/MS/Nintendo make hardly any money (sometimes losing money). And with console makers buying in bulk to manufacture makes it even more beneficial. That $100 sunk into a console could lead to sizable gains.

 

[MrS]

No. Sony will be fine because unlike MS they've proved that they can provide a plethora of superb exclusive games. The box won't win the battle...games and content will.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Gamers also dont understand that for $100, a console can get beefed up more than a PC.

Spend $100 more for PC parts will get you better specs, but after the store and chip maker makes their profit cut, what a PC gamer probably gets is $50 worth of better parts. You'll never see a store or chip maker purposely lose money selling a PC part.

With consoles stores sell them for about breakeven, Sony/MS/Nintendo make hardly any money (sometimes losing money). And with console makers buying in bulk to manufacture makes it even more beneficial. That $100 sunk into a console could lead to sizable gains.

Preach it.

the £500 PS3 was full of bloat and expensive tech. It was a bad move tbh. Imagine the streamlined effectiveness of a PS4, but with an extra £150 to play with? Potentially the PS4 launch console could have been a PS4PRO.