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Is Super Mario 3D World already forgotten?
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Calamari41
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Almost all of the rehash levels in 3D World have new scenarios and enemy layouts, and I believe some even have slightly different paths.
If you think that running through an identical-in-every-way level a second time and ending it halfway through with a separate challenge room doesn't count as a rehash, then I think we're just going to have to realize that we disagree on what a rehash is.
Agree with everything. I didn't like them that much either.
Yeah, we seem to be the majority in gaming (going by sales anyway) but the minority on here. Oh well
Yeah, we seem to be the majority in gaming (going by sales anyway) but the minority on here. Oh well
True, I'm really kinda curious to see what happens with Nintendo's next console, because if it follows the downward trend and sells less than WiiU, they could end up leaving the console business.
Which probably wouldn't bother me that much, since I play my 3DS waaayy more than my WiiU. I think they would do better if they focused on portables only.
I guarantee you that Sony and Microsoft would leave the console business WAY WAY WAY WAY before Nintendo ever does.
I would be 100% okay with Nintendo making handheld games only, would you be open to them making games on other consoles or sticking to their handheld and never making console games again?
Let them dream, in the meantime they can constantly go in SM3DW threads proclaiming their distaste for the game at every opportunity.
Calamari41
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Sorry, I missed your edit. In the second level I randomly looked at, green star 2 in level 6-4 is functionally identical to that Luma room, just missing the shadow Marios. That's one example out of two levels I randomly picked. If anything that Luma room is poorly designed because, as I said before, the vast majority of your time spent in it is spent covering distance and not actually doing anything.
Yeah, gotta say though. The mentality of wanting a company to actively STOP making games because they don't appeal to you and other people like them is possibly the most vile, immature, ridiculous gaming-related opinion I've ever heard.
SporeCrawler
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I was surprised of the amount of content and of the quality of the game overall. but the real memorable thing is that the game is just as good in single player as in multi player.
and no i dont think its forgotten.. i think new super mario bros u is kinda forgotten, which is a shame because its the best 2 D mario to date
and no i dont think its forgotten.. i think new super mario bros u is kinda forgotten, which is a shame because its the best 2 D mario to date
Neither of us are saying we WANT them to stop making games. Just curious as the Wii U (and Nintendo's downward trend) are proving their ideas/market for consoles is pretty much dead. So unless they change it up they will be out of console gaming. Please Dont put words into my mouth, it is "vile, immature, ridiculous, etc".
I'd definitely be open to that.
Like TI82 said, we never said that. I only said that they could stop making consoles, if their next one doesn't catch on.
No, it is NOT dead. Regardless of what you believe, Nintendo is producing genuinely amazing content, just as they always have.
It seemed strongly implied by TI82's posts. Sorry for the error. But it's hard to blame me too much given his usual content.
Calamari41
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No, you're wrong, because the sales data proves that Smash 4 is the worst Smash Bros game, Mario Kart 8 is the worst Kart game, 3D World is the worst 3D Mario, Tropical Freeze is the worst DK, etc etc.
That's your opinion. Personally, I haven't found anything all that 'amazing' on the Wii U so far. 3D World included. Why do some of you get so offended if some people don't agree with you about Nintendo's games.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Maybe I found the wrong star, but all that is is timing yourself before you hop into a pipe.
You seriously think sales data corresponds to the quality of a game?
Lol, what does them producing "amazing content" have to do with actual sales? Their consoles are on an obvious downward trend (with the Wii being the only blip to life). I'm sorry but this doesn't seem to be turning around even after release of Mario Kart and Smash Brothers (two of their best selling game series on the past three consoles). Their console market is drying up.
Also this. Why are some Nintendo fans so opposed to different opinions? Do they want to live in the Nintendo bubble?
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Super Mario 3D World was my GOTY 2013. Absolutely perfect 10/10 game. Nintendo managed to TOP the Galaxy games and add in the best costume they've ever come up with: the cat suit. I SCREAMED with joy @ the final boss
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Calamari41
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I'm talking about the one where you have to collect the green coins. There are a bunch of those in the game, some harder and taking place over bigger areas than others, and this is functionally identical to that Luma room.
The difference that I am pointing out is that in 3D World, this collection mini task is an aside to the level. In Galaxy 2, it is the entire differentiator of the level that you just replayed.
I'm with you, I'm sarcastically parroting the attitude of the people who point to sales data to prove that 3D World is an awful game.
I do not "get offended" at the notion that you dislike Nintendo's games. I perfectly understand and respect that opinion.
What I do not understand or respect is the willful, intentional and obvious act of ignoring history, trends, facts and common sense, to twist reality into some bizarro world where Nintendo is suddenly "on the verge of death", just because YOU are so upset that a system you don't like got the top three GOTY on GAF.
Land has a better final boss (music and gameplay-wise), I find. I mean the one in World is basically an upgrade of that but with a much worse camera.
It's such a pace killer and really takes away from the tension of the whole thing.
Aaron Strife
Banned
SM3DW just isn't revolutionary in the way 64 was which is what its legacy will be held to, so it's not talked about as much. That being said it's a fucking awesome game and I don't think it will be forgotten. Galaxy isn't exactly revolutionary either - for how masterful it is it didn't have as big an impact as Mario 64 did. (That's not a knock, I wish it did)
Yes, this is 100% truth. There, I have given you all the incentive and permission to leave Nintendo threads forever. Fly free and far to a Nintendo-less future where you shall be happy and alive. Pls.
I can say the same thing. Why are people (yourself included) ignoring history, trends, facts and common sense to think that Nintendo's console market is fine?
Lunchbillion
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Amazing game, easily in my top ten.
dampflokfreund
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Interesting to see that the most hardcore gaming board is loving the most casual Mario game, since 3D World was developed mainly for a fun session with kids and parents rather than being a ambitious epic single player experience.
I can say the same thing. Why are people (yourself included) ignoring history, trends, facts and common sense to think that Nintendo's console market is fine?
And? The Wii U still hasn't gone as low as the N64 or Gamecube.
It hasn't hit its stride yet, either. There's still a Starfox, a Zelda, a Metroid, Splatoon, and many more big games to come that I think will help its sales quite a bit.
I can say the same thing. Why are people (yourself included) ignoring history, trends, facts and common sense to think that Nintendo's console market is fine?
You know what you're right. It isn't like Nintendo ever had any successes in the past that would cushion them from any kind of badly selling console.
It isn't like Nintendo has any kind of cultural IP icons that transcend common gaming conventions that would allow the public perception of them to flip at a moment's notice.
It isn't like Nintendo has ever bounced back from a poor selling console.
It isn't like Nintendo is the most dedicated, passionate, loving, video game developing company in the world that is devoted to still delivering pure, unique gaming experiences. A deterministic drive that sometimes borders on egotistical and prideful that would keep them from backing down from shutting down the company when the chips are down.
Also they really like money.
IT ISN'T LIKE THAT AT ALL.
Calamari41
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This thread isn't about Nintendo's death.
Mango The Magician
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I'd personally say that those are more similar to the red coins in the NSMB series, while the Silver Stars remind me much more of well the Silver Stars in SM64DS. Even then though, I don't think that's really on the same level as what involves a whole new section of the level, and shadow clones chasing after you.
As for the post-game content, I'm looking at it right now, and from what I can tell, the levels Spiky Mount Beanpole, Broken Blue Bully Belt, Towering Sunshine Seaside, Faster Fort Fire Bros., Switch Shock Circus, Night Falls of Really Rolling Hills all have the same basic geometry of their counterparts, several of those have new enemies like for instance Spiky Mount Beanpole has Spinys and Spikes instead of Cat Goombas, but the geometry is all but the same minus some small liberties taken to make the level flow better with whatever new challenge it has. Curiously Deep-Black Jungle Drift does not have the same geometry, well it does, as the basic ideas are the same minus the enemies, but they're mixed around and put in different places.
Of course, these games will sell millions of Wii Us.
In this instance there is no rational discussion possible with someone like you.
finalflame
Banned
Time to bring out the blackboard...
None of those have the appeal of Mario World, Mario Kart or Smash Bros. It's too late to say they just need to bring out the big guns.
Calamari41
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See, to me, the silver stars, green coins, and red coins are all the same idea. And there are green coin challenges, as I said, that take place over wider areas and involve enemies chasing you. It's the same thing. The Luma one was in fact incredibly easy, easier than most green coin challenges even with the shadow Marios. It just takes longer because they pad it out with huge, wide platforms that you have to laboriously run straight forward over.
PeakPointMatrix
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Agreed on all points, forgettable, unremarkable, highly polished game, but forgettable nonetheless.
I'm still humming tunes from Galaxy 1 and 2, with the stage vistas and incredible moments that came with them. Even Sunshine had more of a "personality" than 3D World.
The multiplayer however was extremely fun.
I'm still humming tunes from Galaxy 1 and 2, with the stage vistas and incredible moments that came with them. Even Sunshine had more of a "personality" than 3D World.
The multiplayer however was extremely fun.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What the hell has this thread warped into?
Mango The Magician
Banned
Ok, but that's when you take it out of context, I mean to get to those silver stars you had to first start the level, then find the luma, then feed it after collecting what it needs, then go to an entirely new area of the level a place you've never seen before, then get a powerup, then start collecting stars while being chased, and then finally get a power star; that's a lot different than collecting eight coins while one your way through a linear path that always ends at the same goal.
It was developed for all kind of people, this isn't casual gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSTpvzY77eA
I guess I've forgotten that good games don't sell.
Zelda is definitely a system seller, though.