mescalineeyes
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Slight thread derail?
We get it. The Vita is great. It really is.
But there are no games on the horizon to speak of.
We get it. The Vita is great. It really is.
But there are no games on the horizon to speak of.
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Same on Vita too. I didn't think I would use it that often but once I got it. There are times I prefer Vita, sometimes I prefer 4S.
I have been playing Rayman Origins. Completed Mutant Blobs Attack the week before. And I still have P3P, FIFA, WipeOut and VC2 on the memory card, which I haven't touched. I should be able to sustain until Gravity Rush and other games drop in June.
OldJadedGamer
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The first PS3 price drop came at E3 2007.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Vita have a sleep mode that suspends the system in its current state without draining the battery? Will you find acceptable for the PS4 to launch at $499 but not play all games unless you buy a $100 memory card?
Even mid range android phones can play YouTube on the web, and hardware accelerate flash.
It DOES run better than on 98% of Android phones
No but if PS3 had "protected storage", the hackers will have a few more hurdles to clear. Harder if it doesn't have OtherOS at the same time.
Ken Masters
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I'm afraid when i beat uncharted I'll have nothing to play till gravity daze 
Hydrogen Bluebird
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I wonder how long before Sony gives the Vita (and its memory cards) a much needed price cut.
iOS doesn't have Flash but I use it to browse the web anyway. Missing YouTube is unfortunate. Sony should certainly add it in.
In addition to surfing, I also have my own music, family media, Music Unlimited, and purchased videos on the Vita though. Still have 9Gb left after I bought 8 DD games. I signed up with NetFlix's one month trial yesterday too.
Personally, there is little difference between playing a game with no memory card and not playing at all. I would never do either as that would mean I could not save my progress.
I don't see the point in even loading up a game if you can't save.
$249 for the Vita is a hell of a good price so paying a bit more for a memory card hardly offends me. If it had been $350 or $399 and required a memory card, however, I may have felt differently.
You say that but, honestly, I find Flash to be almost useless for daily browsing as very few websites really require it for most content I would view on a mobile device. Youtube is really the only loss and I could foresee them adding support for it.
The Vita browser runs fast enough to handle most internet reading I might partake in. I'd rather use my iPhone or iPad on the go for browsing, but the Vita works well enough in a pinch.
Blew my mind. I mean I can use it more often now, I'd like to check faqs when I'm playing games.
*nod* *nod* I can tell from their posts who use a Vita. People who don't have one usually don't understand it. ^_^
They think they know Vita but this is a problem for Sony marketing.
Once you use it more, you'll find great use for the unit. Sony should engineer Vita OS into Android. There are good ideas inside, and it's a good start; but Sony need to beef up their marketing, and continue to work through a long wishlist.
Let's not get too hasty here.
The fact that you have to use the Twitter app to open a browser while in-game is a really huge oversight on Sony's part and needs to be addressed. That is a serious design problem. It's nice that we can work around the issue, but we shouldn't have to. Hopefully they add proper browser support while in-game soon enough.
mescalineeyes
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What is so hard to understand about "on the horizon"?
I am sorry, but I refuse to accept that anyone was even thinking of buying a Vita without already factoring in a memory card, especially if they owned a PSP.
A system that had digital distribution written all over it.
It is my opinion, people will come in and swear it is their right that they should be allowed to buy a game and never turn the system off and play the game without ever saving it or updating it or anything and you know what they are absolutely correct that is their right.
It makes no sense and I really have a hard time accepting that this is something that actually goes through someone's head.
"But my little sister..." I still let my girlfriend's youngest save games so that when they want to do it again they do not have to do the same part of the game...again.
Worse case scenario I delete the save.
So yeah you got it. Vita is that system, the one where you have to buy a memory card.
That being said, there are games that do not need the memory card.
Just saying.
I do think the Twitter client for Vita is pretty decent. The only issue is how common You Tube posts are, at least from the people I follow. The screen is as nice or nicer than most phones, but I don't fine the increase in keyboard size to translate into a better experience than on iOS. I find myself making a lot more errors on Vita partly because of the increase in size and partly because it registers touches without even touching the screen.
It's a multi-tasking weakness. Android should not have that problem.
OTOH, Vita has better threaded rendering compared to Android's main thread rendering approach. They can complement each other if Sony engineer Vita environment into their other devices.
I was like that at first. Once I got used to the keyboard, it is fine. Better if you use the text completion hints since it also remembers your recent word history.
OldJadedGamer
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So having open memory had nothing to do with piracy? I agree and is not a good excuse.
So you are ok with a new Playstation home console that cannot play games out of the box? And the Vita is not $250 if buying extra things is required to play games or use internal features of the system. Are you really saying you don't mind this as a new standard going forward to hide the true price of the unit.
Everyone uses their system different but every launch system should be able to play every launch game out of the box regardless who makes it. It has been this way forever.
Gravity Rush, Mortal Kombat, Resistance, Disgea 3, Metal Gear collection, Silent Hill: Book of Memories...
Having a protected storage can hinder piracy. There are security systems out that based on protected storage even before Vita.
Not saying this is the right thing to do, but technically speaking, it is a valid option.
He probably means that the Vita doesn't have those games that take years to develop but create enormous hype that increase hardware sales.
Like MGS4 was for PS3, Halo 3 for 360, Mario Galaxy for Wii, Mario Kart for 3DS and so on.
I would agree that the Vita lacks those games and it will very bad for the system if Sony can't announce that kind of games at E3.
because I have the inside source of what really happened......
lunchwithyuzo
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3DS browser is held back by being essentially a background app. If it had a dedicated mode allowing full access to system resources, it could be improved dramatically.
Going from Opera to NetFront ptobably didn't help either.
OldJadedGamer
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But open memory wasn't the reason for piracy so we can end it there. Also, the PS3 was the system that was the most open memory wise and was the hardest to hack even to this day. The piracy excuse is a scapegoat.
If having open memory was the reason for piracy then the PS3 would be the most hacked system of all time but it is the opposite. The most open system turned out to be the most secure.
Speed wise? Sure.
The main issue is screen resolution. It's simply far too low for just about every major website today. It really cannot work.
It's pretty clear that memory card sales are intended to make up for the lower price point of the hardware.
There are 3 games there that aren't ports, and the Silent Hill one is a certain turd. Console ports aren't enough. Where are the equivalents of Layton vs Ace Attorney, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Resident Evil Revelations? As far as I can tell, they don't exist. I love the Vita hardware but I'll get bored of playing FIFA soon. It needs original software, those games won't help the machine the same way Ocarina and Starfox 3D didn't help the 3DS.
Yes, it would be very nice if Vita has a "killer app". I hope Sony focus more on the quality and uniqueness of the Vita titles. The PSP library and assorted ports are nice in the mean time. More titles like Gravity Rush would be superb.
Well, Silent Hill is being developed by WayForward so it has a high probability of being good.
As for the rest, where were those 3DS games months after that system launched? I realize it's a different market now, but they already delivered a much better software lineup out of the gate compared to Nintendo and have at least a couple of new first party titles set to release within a few months of the systems launch. They're doing much better than Nintendo in that regard. What's on the shelves and coming shortly is all great. The problem is simply that we don't have any real announcements or solid dates for new games.
It took those 3DS games a full year to hit shelves but people DID at least know that they were coming. The Vita doesn't have that right now and that is a huge issue.
Gravity Rush > Kingdom Hearts 3D
Uncharted, Unit 13, Resistance > Revelaitons
Oh, none of them are console ports.
LBP, Gravity Rush, Resistance are your equivalent of KH, RE and Layton v Ace Attorney.
...and may I just say that the 3 games you've mentioned came out a year after 3DS launched (Layton v AA is still not out).
That's a too simplistic view of the world. Systems are built from components that complement each other. On the PS3, the open memory model is complemented by Cell's seggregated local memory. That's why it's hard to crack. One of the SPUs run in its own seggregated world, including memory, to lock down the entire PS3. And yet the small, seggregated local memory is one of the causes for developer complains.
Also saying open memory wasn't the reason for piracy doesn't mean anything. It doesn't cause piracy doesn't mean it can't be used to prevent piracy. Are you a technical guy ?
RoninChaos
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None of what you said has anything to do with requiring a memory card to boot up games. No on board storage wasn't an oversight, Sony did it to sell super expensive flash memory. Plain and simple. You can't be so dense that you can't understand why that would piss people off, especially when the games are on cartridges.
we know of Bioshock, COD and AC which seem to be big hitters. I mean when we learned about KH we got shown a demo that really has nothing to do with the actual game at all, when one compares it now.
... and to lower their cost to hit the target $250 price on paper. ^_^
Plus consistent performance, and appeal to their usual anti-piracy stance.
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According to Shuhei, the Vita was built based on abundant developer feedback. I hope they have learned their lessons. They need to balance developer concerns with consumer desire. If they want to tackle piracy (or used games), they should also be prepared to foot the bill, like bundling a card with the base unit. Or make it cheap for consumers.
JakkuFurosu
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which is streets ahead of what is known/shown for the vita titles you posting.
the vita will be fine...if sony has shown anything to me its their stubbornness to just throw buckets of money at their platforms for long term
Wrestlemania
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This really isn't true. Have you played both games? Unit 13 is to Revelations what Mercenaries 3D was to Revelations. Raid Mode alone is better than all of Unit 13.
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But that doesn't mean I don't want KH3D and RE:R, they are still fantastic games that I hope are ported for the Vita. It would really help the platform, since people recognize these titles more.
RukusProvider
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This sounds like good marketing material
"You know what I hate about the iphone?"
"What?"
"I CAN NEVER FIND THE DARN THING IN THE HOUSE! but guess what!?"
"What?"
"My trusty Vita is always by my side and always there to provide me the total entertainment experience I desire."
"What.....?"
"You guessed it! Browsing, Tweeting, Gaming, Music, Videos! All from the comfort of my bed on a bigger screen that never gets misplaced around the house."
"THAT'S AWESOME! I'll go get one too!"
BTW; What happened to Book of Memories, wasn't it opposed to be out by the end of March?
I liked RE:M more than Unit 13, although I must say that I just played the demo.
Unit 13? Really? And a game that isn't out yet? Ok...
I liked RE:M more than Unit 13, although I must say that I just played the demo.
No, that sounds like taking things out of context for the sake of debate. Did I say I hate 4S ? I said I use 4S sometimes and Vita sometimes for surfing, depending on the situation. If one is charging, I use the other. If I'm gaming, of course the Vita would be the nearest gadget to me.
It's also common to misplace my phone since I take it everywhere. The Vita usually stay at one place when I'm at home. However, I did misplace my FEB case with my 2 game cards. It's somewhere in the house but I forgot where. ^_^
Unit 13 controls really well and that is what puts it on top of Revelaitons for me.
Done with ancient RE controls.
njean777
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Dont think we are allowed to ling IGN but Gravity Rush, LBP, Silent Hill, Mortal Kombat, Disgaea, MGS, Lair all disagree. GTFO with this no games garbage. If you dont want ports then you better have not complained about the 3ds at the beginning either. It took about a year before 3ds got any good original games.
I agree, but for some reason people do not seem to even want to let the system be out for two months let alone get to E3 for announcements.
For you, many more disagree and know that Unit 13 is a mediocre game, that like RE:M, shouldn't even be full price. For what I played of Unit 13 I found it to be duller than Shadowgun, and that's saying something.
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree on that. Revelations was fantastic.
Unit 13 is very much a Mercs 3D type of game (though clearly much more thought was put into the package as a whole).
3 first party titles are the same as the three huge 3rd party exclusives I just mentioned? Right now there is nothing on the horizon from third parties (excluding vaporware like BioShock Vita) on the scale of RE Revelations or Kingdom Hearts 3D.
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Is this a joke? Of those games, only Uncharted can stand up to KH3D and Revelations. Unit 13 and Resistance are nothing special. Uncharted isn't either but at least it isn't totally mediocre.
Wrestlemania
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I played through RE:R with the circle pad pro, so controls were never an issue. Unit 13 is an incredibly slight game which is basically ruined by completely fucked friend leaderboards.
Well, sounds like you're bringing opinions into this. Kingdom Hearts is one of the worst series I've ever had the displeasure of trying to play. Kingdom Hearts 1 was one of the most disappointing games of the entire previous generation for me when I discovered how poor the core game design really is. KH3D is the type of game I would turn down even if offered to me for free.
I do realize that it has its fans, however, so I can't take anything away from it there.
I can make an argument for Uncharted. Is a very good game, forced out of place motion controls be dammed. But Unit 13? I have not played KH3D and Resistance so i can't comment on them.
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