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[El-Suave]

I'm very happy with my Vita and I don't think the support with "big" games is bad in the coming months. However I did hope there would be many more small downloadable games by now to fill any gaps people might perceive.

I don't know how successful the Minis line still is on PSP, but in my opinion all games that have come out since the Vita launch should have trophy support (devs wanted that on PSP already) and the whole label should be more associated with Vita by now.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Speed wise? Sure.

The main issue is screen resolution. It's simply far too low for just about every major website today. It really cannot work.

Processing isn't the only bottleneck. Sharing 32MB with the OS/etc rather than having access to the 96MB that games and dedicated apps use is pretty significant.

I agree the resolution/ppi is too low for general browsing though, I personally find pretty much anything below my iPhone 4 is unacceptable in that regard (DS/i, PSP, Vita, etc). So really the browser is probably better served the way it's set up now (as a quick suppliment to in-game operation, ie: used mainly for FAQ/guidechecking).

 

[ReaperXL7]

I can make an argument for Uncharted. Is a very good game, forced out of place motion controls be dammed. But Unit 13? I have not played KH3D and Resistance so i can't comment on them.

No one has, so no one can really.

 

[Hex]

3 first party titles are the same as the three huge 3rd party exclusives I just mentioned? Right now there is nothing on the horizon from third parties (excluding vaporware like BioShock Vita) on the scale of RE Revelations or Kingdom Hearts 3D.

Again.
3DS has been out how long?
Vita has been out how long?
You sure did not see things like Kingdom Hearts 3D during the first 6 months of the 3DS, nor Revelations. (Revelations is sexy, just have a hard time with controls though I bet the second nub add on makes it fantastic and Kingdom Hearts 3D will be day 1 for sure).
Realistic expectations.

 

[Ushojax]

Well, sounds like you're bringing opinions into this. Kingdom Hearts is one of the worst series I've ever had the displeasure of trying to play. Kingdom Hearts 1 was one of the most disappointing games of the entire previous generation for me when I discovered how poor the core game design really is. KH3D is the type of game I would turn down even if offered to me for free.

I do realize that it has its fans, however, so I can't take anything away from it there.

Kingdom Hearts is stupid, but just like MGS that doesn't stop it being a huge franchise. For a 3rd party to have a game like KH3D ready to announce before the launch of the 3DS, was quite significant. There hasn't been a single announcement like that for the Vita. Ken Levine rambling about BioShock isn't enough to convince me that original content is coming from the big boys. Of course in terms of retail software the Vita is no worse off than the 3DS was at this stage, but when the biggest thing Sony had at that Vita Heaven was a 2013 Phantasy Star port, the alarm bells started ringing.

 

[dark10x]

I agree the resolution/ppi is too low for general browsing though, I personally find pretty much anything below my iPhone 4 is unacceptable in that regard

Eh? The Vita resolution is nearly the same as that of the iPhone 4. It's simply a wider image.

It's not just DPI that matters it's the actual resolution. iPhone is 960x640 while Vita is 960x544. The DPI is lower as a result of the larger screen, but it's still perfectly suitable for web browsing. It's like comparing a 1920x1080 PC monitor to a 1920x1200 monitor. Very similar resolutions that differ as a result of aspect ratio.

Kingdom Hearts is stupid, but just like MGS that doesn't stop it being a huge franchise.

Metal Gear has always played so much better than any Kingdom Hearts game. KH is all about tiny, narrow levels filled with repetitive enemies and encounters. MGS has some very creative gameplay scenarios on offer by comparison and isn't remotely comparable. I could deal with the KH fiction is the game itself were any fun.

 

[patsu]

Yeah, the DPI is quite close. 4S is still noticeably better. Then again, when I can get my hands on my iPad (Sometimes, wife or kid may hog it), I prefer to use it even though the DPI is significantly lower.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Eh? The Vita resolution is nearly the same as that of the iPhone 4. It's simply a wider image.

It's not just DPI that matters it's the actual resolution. iPhone is 960x640 while Vita is 960x544. The DPI is lower as a result of the larger screen, but it's still perfectly suitable for web browsing. It's like comparing a 1920x1080 PC monitor to a 1920x1200 monitor. Very similar resolutions that differ as a result of aspect ratio.

DPI matters to me for sharpness (text particularly in long browsing sessions). Vita's just a step down (lower res, lower dpi), that's all. I probably wouldn't really bother browsing on any dedicated game device though even if it could match my personal minimum requirements, since it's also largely a convience issue.

 

[frequency]

Again.
3DS has been out how long?
Vita has been out how long?
You sure did not see things like Kingdom Hearts 3D during the first 6 months of the 3DS, nor Revelations. (Revelations is sexy, just have a hard time with controls though I bet the second nub add on makes it fantastic and Kingdom Hearts 3D will be day 1 for sure).
Realistic expectations.

The difference is we knew KH3D and RE:R were coming before the 3DS was even released.

The big thing for me isn't that the PSV has so little right now (expected from any launch). It's that it has very little in the future.

 

[dark10x]

DPI matters to me for sharpness (text particularly in long browsing sessions). Vita's just a step down (lower res, lower dpi), that's all. I probably wouldn't really bother browsing on any dedicated game device though even if it could match my personal minimum requirements, since it's also largely a convience issue.

Fair enough, I was just surprised to see you lump the Vita in with those other devices when it's really on par with many of the best phones on the market while the 3DS is lower resolution than virtually every touch based smart phone ever made.

 

[Hex]

The difference is we knew KH3D and RE:R were coming before the 3DS was even released.

The big thing for me isn't that the PSV has so little right now (expected from any launch). It's that it has very little in the future.

I respect that view and can not say anything against it.
I am holding out for E3 and I know we will hear more.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

The difference is we knew KH3D and RE:R were coming before the 3DS was even released.

The big thing for me isn't that the PSV has so little right now (expected from any launch). It's that it has very little in the future.

Also games like MGS4 were announced before the PS3 was released. Many times actual big games are announced (not just a logo on screen) before a system is released or very shortly after.

 

[DangerousDave]

Was the PS3's open memory the reason it was hacked?

No, but it was the reason with PSP or Wii.

Without a open memory that you could connect easily on PC, PSP would need some kind of accesory to be able to copy the eboots in the card.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Fair enough, I was just surprised to see you lump the Vita in with those other devices when it's really on par with many of the best phones on the market while the 3DS is lower resolution than virtually every touch based smart phone ever made.

I lumped it in because it's below my minimum thresholds. Same as DS, PSP or 3DS, albeit not to the same degree in each case.

I'm surprised how much you're whiteknighting Vita's browser given my 2 year old phone destroys it but whatever.

 

[see5harp]

I lumped it in because it's below my minimum thresholds. Same as DS, PSP or 3DS, albeit not to the same degree in each case.

I'm surprised how much you're whiteknighting Vita's browser given my 2 year old phone destroys it but whatever.

I would defend the screen (which I think Dark is doing), not necessarily the browser.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

No, but it was the reason with PSP or Wii.

Without a open memory that you could connect easily on PC, PSP would need some kind of accesory to be able to copy the eboots in the card.

It would've have happened anyway. See DS.

On the other hand, industry standard memory solutions didn't really lead to the undoing of DSi or 3DS. Excusing Vita's flawed memory format with piracy just doesn't hold water when the "technology averse" market leader can seemingly make it work.

 

[RSLAEV]

... and to lower their cost to hit the target $250 price on paper. ^_^

Plus consistent performance, and appeal to their usual anti-piracy stance.

EDIT:
According to Shuhei, the Vita was built based on abundant developer feedback. I hope they have learned their lessons. They need to balance developer concerns with consumer desire. If they want to tackle piracy (or used games), they should also be prepared to foot the bill, like bundling a card with the base unit. Or make it cheap for consumers.

You would think that some of that heavy developer feedback would have included 'throw a few gb of HD space in there.'

 

[DangerousDave]

It would've have happened anyway. See DS.

Is exactly what I said, that you need to buy an accesory to be able to pirate the games. Not simply make a search, download a file, install, and have the console cracked faster that the time that i need to make this post.

Propietary memory is not the definitive protection against piracy. But is a extra wall. There are platforms cracked without open memory, and platforms uncracked even if they have open memory. But the same platform is safer with propietary memory (because hackers need to create, not only a hack, also a phisical device to add the hack on the device) than with open memory.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Is exactly what I said, that you need to buy an accesory to be able to pirate the games. Not simply make a search, download a file, install, and have the console cracked faster that the time that i need to make this post.

Propietary memory is not the definitive protection against piracy. But is a extra wall. There are platforms cracked without open memory, and platforms uncracked even if they have open memory. But the same platform is safer with propietary memory (because hackers need to create, not only a hack, also a phisical device to add the hack on the device) than with open memory.

Actually, thanks to emulation I'd argue DS piracy has an even lower investment demanded. It's both cheaper and easier to play pirated DS games than PSP games, albeit neither really has a high barrier.

And Vita's real problem isn't so much that it uses propietary memory, it's the extreme premium Sony's heaped on it and that it has no usable memory out of the box. Both are inexcusable, piracy doesn't even factor into the equation.

 

[DangerousDave]

Actually, thanks to emulation I'd argue DS piracy has an even lower investment demanded. It's both cheaper and easier to play pirated DS games than PSP games, albeit neither really has a high barrier.

And Vita's real problem isn't so much that it uses propietary memory, it's the extreme premium Sony's heaped on it and that it has no usable memory out of the box. Both are inexcusable, piracy doesn't even factor into the equation.

Agree in all. Except in the emulation. Even if emulating the Wii on PC can be better even than playing on Wii, emulating the DS you lose part of the experience.

 

[Cornbread78]

Disgaea II is coming out in two weeks.... now THAT is support. Have you seen the lifting and balance they have to do in that game?

 

[DangerousDave]

Disgaea II is coming out in two weeks.... now THAT is support. Have you seen the lifting and balance they have to do in that game?

Disgaea III, I suppose.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

This thread has a lot of opinions being posted as facts.....this thread is going nowhere but in circles. It's the same comments on page 2 that are posted on the last page.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Agree in all. Except in the emulation. Even if emulating the Wii on PC can be better even than playing on Wii, emulating the DS you lose part of the experience.

It's not as good an experience no, which probably in part why R4 cards took off. Emulation was a much bigger issue for GBA piracy I think.

 

[hyogen]

for one, I'd like to see the graphics better implemented. Honestly, the difference isn't much compared to PSP-3000 and vita. I'm sure the vita is more capable than that. however, this will take more time and money for development--which i don't think developers will be wanting to take the risk on....

I'm quickly losing interest in even little big planet vita (which was made me buy PS3 and several other people I know).

Perhaps by July, I'll have bought a mint vita for like $180 on craigslist and will buy the game new..

Really kinda funny how I at one point considered importing a vita before launch...

So I ended up getting one for super cheap on craigslist... 3G model sealed in box with 8gb mem card and game for 230...3 days ago?

I was prompted mainly after finding out it has a Wolfson DAC in it. But I also found out the older psps have it too.

Gonna sell back while I can. Pretty impressed but not something I'm gonna play much. I honestly wish the screen were MORE vibrant or glare free. I am just trying to play indoors in a library and there is a little too much glare than I want especially for movies and Netflix. The quality for Netflix isn't as good as iPad or smartphone I don't think.....slightly worse....

The size feels awkward/uncomfortable in my hands for anything more than 30min... I tried my psp3000 and it's sooooooo much more comfortable and natural feeling.

I realize the only time I really enjoy games is when I'm playing a console WITH a friend or friends.. This is a really nice piece of tech and I'll buy again for the novelty and a few good games when it gets way cheaper....once price drops imagine how low used or slightly used ones will go for on Craigslist..... There are tons of ppl wanting to unload theirs for cheap on Craigslist even now

I am impressed with lumines and tried some demos. lumines is more immersive than before but not more fun in my opinion. Most of you would probably agree that better graffics doesn't equal more fun...

I just really wanted to like it more but I don't. It's not so much about no games being on the immediate horizon either. The games I wanted most was lumines, FIFA, and little big planet. And now that I've tried it I know that I'm not gonna want to play a game like call of duty on it. The silly grips idea to reduce cramps.........a no go for me.

Also I was about to sell my *special* psp 3000 which i have everything for including 50+ games 32gb memory card and other memory cards... 9hour extended battery ...etc... I usually only play games like lumines or Patapon... All for $150.... Can't get myself to do it

 

[saichi]

This thread has a lot of opinions being posted as facts.....this thread is going nowhere but in circles. It's the same comments on page 2 that are posted on the last page.

sounds like all threads I see on GAF regarding VITA or Wii U. Right on!

 

[Blue Submarine No. 6]

Well, UC:GoA is overall a good game. But little details, mostly forced use of the motion/touch controls takes it down a notch imo.

Spoiler

Who though that charcoal rubbing was fun?

Spoiler

I thought that charcoal rubbing was fun - I obsessively searched for and found every single one of the rubbings, and it was one of my favorite parts of the game... I liked finding the carvings and menagerie animals, too. But I'm a huge archeology buff and really enjoyed all the detail involved in these collectables.

Honestly, I think UC:GoA is better than the original, and one of the best games I've played in years.

 

[midonnay]

Don't bother. The 3DS browser is "old Blackberry" kinds of bad. It's one of the worst browsing experiences you can have on a mobile device.

At least Vita feels like a mid-range Android phone when browsing the net. ;P It needs a lot of improvement but it IS usable.

3ds browser is heavenly compared to DS browser.

its usable if its just for normal web browsing..... I go on gaf all the time.

 

[M-PG71C]

3ds browser is heavenly compared to DS browser.

its usable if its just for normal web browsing..... I go on gaf all the time.

Actually, I don't mind the 3DS browser. It can use some serious improvements but its pretty damn competent. I've certainly used it on trips within the past year.

As for the Vita, give it time. I'm not going to defend the tripe called Unit 13 and for damn good reason, it sucks fucking balls. But the Vita will get its games.

Anyone expecting the Vita to pull a 3DS needs to get some real perspective. However, the Vita will be home to a number of good games and I look forward to buying them down the road. Especially anything developed by Falcom (HELLLLLOOOO X-SEED!)

 

[hyogen]

So I ended up getting one for super cheap on craigslist... 3G model sealed in box with 8gb mem card and game for 230...3 days ago?

I was prompted mainly after finding out it has a Wolfson DAC in it. But I also found out the older psps have it too.

Gonna sell back while I can. Pretty impressed but not something I'm gonna play much. I honestly wish the screen were MORE vibrant or glare free. I am just trying to play indoors in a library and there is a little too much glare than I want especially for movies and Netflix. The quality for Netflix isn't as good as iPad or smartphone I don't think.....slightly worse....

The size feels awkward/uncomfortable in my hands for anything more than 30min... I tried my psp3000 and it's sooooooo much more comfortable and natural feeling.

I realize the only time I really enjoy games is when I'm playing a console WITH a friend or friends.. This is a really nice piece of tech and I'll buy again for the novelty and a few good games when it gets way cheaper....once price drops imagine how low used or slightly used ones will go for on Craigslist..... There are tons of ppl wanting to unload theirs for cheap on Craigslist even now

I am impressed with lumines and tried some demos. lumines is more immersive than before but not more fun in my opinion. Most of you would probably agree that better graffics doesn't equal more fun...

I just really wanted to like it more but I don't. It's not so much about no games being on the immediate horizon either. The games I wanted most was lumines, FIFA, and little big planet. And now that I've tried it I know that I'm not gonna want to play a game like call of duty on it. The silly grips idea to reduce cramps.........a no go for me.

Also I was about to sell my *special* psp 3000 which i have everything for including 50+ games 32gb memory card and other memory cards... 9hour extended battery ...etc... I usually only play games like lumines or Patapon... All for $150.... Can't get myself to do it

And sold.. Sold 3G model like new a couple hours old with 8gb for $220. Will buy when I can get the wifi model for like 140. Lol

 

[Hex]

And sold.. Sold 3G model like new a couple hours old with 8gb for $220. Will buy when I can get the wifi model for like 140. Lol

Congrats?
You really showed um ..someone?
Be sure to reply to your own post again soon so we can stay up to date.

3ds browser is heavenly compared to DS browser.

its usable if its just for normal web browsing..... I go on gaf all the time.

The 3DS browser got me through and still gets me through now and then when I happen to have it instead of my transformer or vita in my hands.
For what it is I think it is fine (though I can not be the only one who had visions of super 3d browsing)

 

[dark10x]

Also games like MGS4 were announced before the PS3 was released. Many times actual big games are announced (not just a logo on screen) before a system is released or very shortly after.

Yeah, we get it. The situation sucks right now. Can you blame us for holding out hope, though? It's the finest piece of portable gaming hardware I've ever used and it has a killer lineup right out of the gate.

I lumped it in because it's below my minimum thresholds. Same as DS, PSP or 3DS, albeit not to the same degree in each case.

I'm surprised how much you're whiteknighting Vita's browser given my 2 year old phone destroys it but whatever.

I'm defending the screen resolution, not the browser itself. It has the potential to be great, but it falls short thus far. It's nowhere near as good as my iPhone or iPad browser and a step down from Android and Windows Phone 7 as well. I will admit that I prefer the way they handle scrolling and pinch to zoom to Android, though. The Android method redraws the screen as you zoom in which appears choppy in comparison. Vita handles it like iOS or WinPhone7.

 

[hyogen]

So I ended up getting one for super cheap on craigslist... 3G model sealed in box with 8gb mem card and game for 230...3 days ago?

I was prompted mainly after finding out it has a Wolfson DAC in it. But I also found out the older psps have it too.

Gonna sell back while I can. Pretty impressed but not something I'm gonna play much. I honestly wish the screen were MORE vibrant or glare free. I am just trying to play indoors in a library and there is a little too much glare than I want especially for movies and Netflix. The quality for Netflix isn't as good as iPad or smartphone I don't think.....slightly worse....

The size feels awkward/uncomfortable in my hands for anything more than 30min... I tried my psp3000 and it's sooooooo much more comfortable and natural feeling.

I realize the only time I really enjoy games is when I'm playing a console WITH a friend or friends.. This is a really nice piece of tech and I'll buy again for the novelty and a few good games when it gets way cheaper....once price drops imagine how low used or slightly used ones will go for on Craigslist..... There are tons of ppl wanting to unload theirs for cheap on Craigslist even now

I am impressed with lumines and tried some demos. lumines is more immersive than before but not more fun in my opinion. Most of you would probably agree that better graffics doesn't equal more fun...

I just really wanted to like it more but I don't. It's not so much about no games being on the immediate horizon either. The games I wanted most was lumines, FIFA, and little big planet. And now that I've tried it I know that I'm not gonna want to play a game like call of duty on it. The silly grips idea to reduce cramps.........a no go for me.

Also I was about to sell my *special* psp 3000 which i have everything for including 50+ games 32gb memory card and other memory cards... 9hour extended battery ...etc... I usually only play games like lumines or Patapon... All for $150.... Can't get myself to do it

Congrats?
You really showed um ..someone?
Be sure to reply to your own post again soon so we can stay up to date.



The 3DS browser got me through and still gets me through now and then when I happen to have it instead of my transformer or vita in my hands.
For what it is I think it is fine (though I can not be the only one who had visions of super 3d browsing)

Thanks! I will

 

[saichi]

Yeah, we get it. The situation sucks right now. Can you blame us for holding out hope, though? It's the finest piece of portable gaming hardware I've ever used and it has a killer lineup right out of the gate.

And the "killer lineup" doesn't help drive the sales for VITA though. (or maybe they did but just not to the mass)

 

[dark10x]

And the "killer lineup" doesn't help drive the sales for VITA though. (or maybe they did but just not to the mass)

Indeed you're right. It's certainly not uncommon for great games to be ignored by the masses, however.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Indeed you're right. It's certainly not uncommon for great games to be ignored by the masses, however.

My heart still bleeds for Nier and Alice: Madness Returns being ignored by the unwashed masses

 

[ReaperXL7]

Indeed you're right. It's certainly not uncommon for great games to be ignored by the masses, however.

Honestly to me making a "system seller" seems like throwing shit at a wall and something eventually sticks kind of thing. I mean did anyone know that MH would take off the way it did in Japan, or angry birds on IOS? I kind of doubt it, but they did in a big way.

Does Sony have anything like that in the current Vita libaray? Maybe, maybe not but I think it's impossible to gauge something like that until it happens. I for instance bought a Vita because I think Sound Shapes looked awesome, then I did more research on other titles and found more I was interested in, but the Sound Shapes stuff is what first sold me on the Vita.

 

[Perkel]

Uhhh.

People can't accept that vita lineup is stellar ? And even if there are few games that interest you there is whole PSP catalog on PSN waiting to be played.

Currently i have:

Rayman Origins
Wipeout 2048
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend
Hustle Kings

all are awasome

also i cath up with PSP backlog.

Tactics Ogre
Disidia
Disgaea1/2
Corpse Party

On horizon for me are

Uncharted
Gravity Rush
Persona4
Disgaea3

And that's before E3. Tehhhh no gamez....

 

[EhrgeizVII]

Uhhh.

People can't accept that vita lineup is stellar ? And even if there are few games that interest you there is whole PSP catalog on PSN waiting to be played.

Currently i have:

Rayman Origins
Wipeout 2048
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend
Hustle Kings

all are awasome

also i cath up with PSP backlog.

Tactics Ogre
Disidia
Disgaea1/2
Corpse Party

On horizon for me are

Uncharted
Gravity Rush
Persona4
Disgaea3

And that's before E3. Tehhhh no gamez....

It has no Nintendo software so people say it has no games.

 

[Diablos54]

It has no Nintendo software so people say it has no games.

It has nothing which sells, with nothing coming in the near future. That's why people say it has no games.

 

[Pureauthor]

Uhhh.

People can't accept that vita lineup is stellar ? And even if there are few games that interest you there is whole PSP catalog on PSN waiting to be played.

Currently i have:

Rayman Origins
Wipeout 2048
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend
Hustle Kings

all are awasome

also i cath up with PSP backlog.

Tactics Ogre
Disidia
Disgaea1/2
Corpse Party

On horizon for me are

Uncharted
Gravity Rush
Persona4
Disgaea3

And that's before E3. Tehhhh no gamez....

That's great. But in the context of this discussion we're discussing games that can drive mass market adoption, not what games we happen to like or find good.

 

[OmegaZero]

If "software titles sell hardware" and the Vita has such an amazing lineup, why is it not selling well?
I doubt it'll die this soon, but it's still weird to me.

By "amazing lineup", I mean how the launch titles appeal to a broad range of tastes compared to the launch of, say, the 3DS.

 

[Aiii]

If "software titles sell hardware" and the Vita has such an amazing lineup, why would it not

Because 250 euro's (or whatever the price in your country is) w/o a mandatory Memory card and no games is too steep for Joe Average.

The E3 cannot come soon enough for the Vita, but much like the 3DS it won't start selling untill the price is dropped significantly.

 

[theBishop]

It has nothing which sells, with nothing coming in the near future. That's why people say it has no games.

And yet, when it comes to the Wii lineup, I've never heard anyone say Muramasa, Mad World, Little Kings Story, etc don't count in Wii's favor because they don't sell. On on the contrary, they're pretty critical to any Wii support on "core-gamer" grounds.

This is supposed to be an enthusiast message board. I don't go to film boards and dismiss foreign art films for not driving the Box Office.

 

[bigtroyjon]

This is supposed to be an enthusiast message board. I don't go to film boards and dismiss foreign art films for not driving the Box Office.

And if you go to a film board and someone asks how a big money losing film studio is going to turn things around, you certainly wouldn't suggest that they will be fine because of some foreign art films.

 

[darkwing]

it's inaccurate to say the Vita has no games, more accurate is it has no system selling games at the moment

 

[Diablos54]

And yet, when it comes to the Wii lineup, I've never heard anyone say Muramasa, Mad World, Little Kings Story, etc don't count in Wii's favor because they don't sell. On on the contrary, they're pretty critical to any Wii support on "core-gamer" grounds.

This is supposed to be an enthusiast message board. I don't go to film boards and dismiss foreign art films for not driving the Box Office.

But I didn't say Vita has no games, just nothing which sells, which is the whole point of the discussion...

 

[OmegaZero]

The E3 cannot come soon enough for the Vita, but much like the 3DS it won't start selling untill the price is dropped significantly.

Lol, accidentally pressed the Reply button when my post wasn't even complete.

Anyway, can Sony even afford to drop the price? I mean, they may not have a choice if they want it to sell, but that would mean they'll have to rely on software and memory stick sales, right?

But yeah, this year's E3 is going to be big. In either good or bad ways.

 

[Pureauthor]

And yet, when it comes to the Wii lineup, I've never heard anyone say Muramasa, Mad World, Little Kings Story, etc don't count in Wii's favor because they don't sell. On on the contrary, they're pretty critical to any Wii support on "core-gamer" grounds.

If the argument centres around the Wii's performance on the market, then anyone bringing up those games are going to be mocked and rightfully so.

On the other hand, if they're just discussing games that a game enthusiast would/might like to play, then those are valid points to raise.

 

[Hex]

And yet, when it comes to the Wii lineup, I've never heard anyone say Muramasa, Mad World, Little Kings Story, etc don't count in Wii's favor because they don't sell. On on the contrary, they're pretty critical to any Wii support on "core-gamer" grounds.

This is supposed to be an enthusiast message board. I don't go to film boards and dismiss foreign art films for not driving the Box Office.

It is all about agenda.
Look at various defense threads, look at the WiiU defense armada in the threads about the dev rumors and whatnot.

People will go on the offensive about something when it suits them, but then defend it when it goes against them.
It is asinine.

I will take Gravity Rush/Daze over quite a bit of the tripe that has been published lately that I am sure has sold multiples more than GR will.
Same with Uncharted, same with Lumines and Hotshots Golf.

I won't lie I really am getting impatient for Square and others to make their impact on the system but again...two months in? Not terrible

If "software titles sell hardware" and the Vita has such an amazing lineup, why is it not selling well?
I doubt it'll die this soon, but it's still weird to me.

By "amazing lineup", I mean how the launch titles appeal to a broad range of tastes compared to the launch of, say, the 3DS.

Again, look at the first 6 months of the 3DS which people refuses to do.
We had a pretty bad ghost recon game, Street fighter, a stripped down pilot wings, a stripped down monkey ball, dogz, and a few others.

For launch we have a great hardcore presence, puzzle, sports, racing .
The problem is that nobody, no matter what system likes dry periods.
People want to know that when they finish a game, they will have new games to pick from. They want to know that new games will be announced regularly.
It does not matter how big a title is on a system if people get nothing in the mean time while they are waiting for it people will not support that system.
Nintendo weathered the storm until they hit their Mario Kart and other staples, and price drop. The price drop itself would not even have mattered really if they had not gotten to the point where games were coming in.
Sony have been pretty damned quiet since the Vita launch, which is pretty damned stupid.
I know again that I am sure that they are trying to save up so that they can have a big presentation at E3 but at that point it better be pretty momentous because they are hurting themselves by not even engaging in rumors and innuendo and hype.