They may be "smalltime" but at the very least they announced some promising titles people actually care about. It also doesn´t make much sense holding back if your system is selling as bad as Vita right now, especially "Vita Heaven" (obviously they felt the need to react due to their lackluster performance) lead some people into thinking they actually don´t have much up their sleeve. That´s not exactly a very brilliant way to establish a new system.
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They may be "smalltime" but at the very least they announced some promising titles people actually care about. It also doesn´t make much sense holding back if your system is selling as bad as Vita right now, especially "Vita Heaven" (obviously they felt the need to react due to their lackluster performance) lead some people into thinking they actually don´t have much up their sleeve. That´s not exactly a very brilliant way to establish a new system.
I don't know about Monster Hunter (hopefully one is coming), but it would help if Namco released another Gods Eater game. God Eater Burst was a good, if flawed, game that appealed to a lot of Monster Hunter fans. It did good numbers in Japan.
And anyway I think it's easy to reach back and look at past franchises that helped move units, regardless of the platform being examined. But what about totally new break out hits? Gravity Rush was great but it seems like it failed to spark a lot of interest in Japan... well, enough to sell Monster Hunter numbers.
Maybe all that is needed is for a developer to come up with a concept that can only be achieved adequately on the Vita ... considering the Vita's unique combination of hardware features like the front & back touch surface, dual analogue, dual cameras, etc., there's a lot that can be accomplished on it that can't on other platforms.
And anyway I think it's easy to reach back and look at past franchises that helped move units, regardless of the platform being examined. But what about totally new break out hits? Gravity Rush was great but it seems like it failed to spark a lot of interest in Japan... well, enough to sell Monster Hunter numbers.
Maybe all that is needed is for a developer to come up with a concept that can only be achieved adequately on the Vita ... considering the Vita's unique combination of hardware features like the front & back touch surface, dual analogue, dual cameras, etc., there's a lot that can be accomplished on it that can't on other platforms.
I just bought a Vita yesterday so I hope support isn't dying.
After getting home with it yesterday evening I couldn't put it down until bedtime. I think it's an amazing piece of hardware and I'll be sad if it doesn't catch on.
I'm planning on picking up Gravity Rush, MGS HD collection, and Persona 4 whenever they all hit America. Here's to hoping.
After getting home with it yesterday evening I couldn't put it down until bedtime. I think it's an amazing piece of hardware and I'll be sad if it doesn't catch on.
I'm planning on picking up Gravity Rush, MGS HD collection, and Persona 4 whenever they all hit America. Here's to hoping.
Principate
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Neh there's several factors as the why the Vita is doing so badly it's MH is one of them but's not the main. Even if it had a multiplat Monhun it will still be doing pretty carp in japan just not as badly. For starters there's the $250 plus memory card price tag, which a multiplat Mon alone wouldn't get people in droves to buy it especially if it doesn't makes good use of the systems specs (which would be expensive for Capcom). Then you have the lack of true backwards compatibility to and the majority f Japanese buyers most probably bought retail versions of their PSP games which means the Vita is essentially competing against the PSP which has a far high install base, library and third party support. Then you have the demographic issues as who the PS Vita is aimed at is not the same people who bought the PSP and the fact it launch with mostly western orientated games didn't help that.
Basically the Japanese launch of the Vita was a clusterfuck.
Metallix87
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lunchwithyuzo
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Removed the devs who have already released or announced Vita projects in the interim (or "died" like Hudson and IREM). These lists tend not to mean much though, before Virtual Boy launched Nintendo released a list including over 40 Japanese companies producing content for it, including names like Capcom, Konami, Namco, Taito, Square and Enix.
Epic lol
And no, sony may take some time (same happened with the psp), they end up delivering, there is support and is coming I believe so.
BattleMonkey
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Monster Hunter was not going to save the VITA. It needs much more especially for the global market
Hypereides
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Sony has been very outspoken about "not buying" exclusivity. But considering Monster Hunter was the driving lifeforce of the PSP, Im fucking flabbergasted Sony let it go. I wouldve just paid up at least for timed exclusivity.
They seem confident, but they're just adding more obstacles to hinder their succes.
AgentOtaku
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Thread is depressing for what is essentially my favorite handheld of all time T___T
Why would Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Bioshock be shown off on some website?
Hero_of_the_Day
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I'm hoping for an awesome E3, 'cause the hardware is awesome as fuck from what I've seen. I really want a Vita, but the lack of games I give a shit about makes it completely pointless.
Uncharted is the only exclusive I want. I was hyped for Modnation Races before the no online multiplayer news hit, now I'd be pissed to receive it as a gift. Ninja Gaiden would be cool, but I've already played it. Final Fantasy Tactics on it gives me warm tingly feelings that I have to suppress because that seems like the most irrational thing ever since I've played and bought that game a few times already.
So yeah, hope for an awesome E3.
Original versions of these shown at e3 with real details and release windows, and I'll buy a fucking Vita. Throw in a Metal Gear and Final Fantasy (not the X up-res) and I'll buy two.
Do we know that includes the Vita? Maybe for ports if the optimisation effort isn't too long, but sales seem to have started badly and fallen off a cliff. Is the install base there for third parties? That's what I'm getting at.
Shooting for the moon in terms of how they've handled the machine post the botched, premature launch. The massive price cut, the all-hands-on-deck development of the two Mario games, the Monster Hunter deal, etc.
To bring in the punters, you need the software and to get the software you need the punters for them to sell to. It's a catch 22. But it's one that Nintendo can fix by having in house, system-selling software. Sony, sadly, don't have the franchises that draw like that. They'll always rely on third parties.
Right, but multiple titles together have ALWAYS sold Sony systems. Outside of GT, they've never had ONE title that made people go out and buy PS systems. It has always been about the big selection of titles they have under their "umbrella".
I see. It's certainly shaky. The PSP didn't exactly provide solid foundations even if it sold respectfully for a non-Ninty handheld. I think it'll limp by on 360 / PS3 downports and iPad / Android up-ports until it eventually finds its own feet. That's pure speculation though. It wouldn't surprise me too much to see the system go belly up after two years.
Ah yes, I agree they've rebounded extremely well. I was thinking a little too narrow, only the hardware itself. What they have done to turn the hardware around has been great and I think they're probably pleased with the results, all things considered.
SmokedMeat
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Exactly. Monster Hunter won't instantly make the Vita a worldwide success the way some think. It'll help boost sales in Japan, and that's about it.
Here's a big difference. Nintendo was attempting to sell the 3DS in their typical way, with a profit. But $250 is too much. So now Nintendo is selling this console the same way those other companies always sell their consoles...at a loss.
But Sony already is selling at a loss at $250. So where do they go from here? Drop the price and take massive losses?
Too much technology for too much price. It's a super impressive piece of tech, but it's not really priced competitively because it's built beyond any other handheld before it. It's built to give you a near perfect current gen console experience in your hands.
The question is, is there a market for a really expensive console experience in your hands?
But Sony already is selling at a loss at $250. So where do they go from here? Drop the price and take massive losses?
Too much technology for too much price. It's a super impressive piece of tech, but it's not really priced competitively because it's built beyond any other handheld before it. It's built to give you a near perfect current gen console experience in your hands.
The question is, is there a market for a really expensive console experience in your hands?
That's exactly how I feel. Sony systems have always offered a huge selection of great titles from both first and third parties. Their first party games are all very strong and tend to release in much greater numbers than those of Nintendo. I feel as if Sony delivered a whole slew of great titles on day 1 with more support in the future.
famousmortimer
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Vita needs games and a price drop. I think we need more threads saying that.
OldJadedGamer
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Happened to both the 3DS and original iPhone. Even the PS3 saw a price cut at like 7 months after launch.
Bit of a joke of course... but there was one:
lunchwithyuzo
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While true, I also think there have been intances of singular games that really rise to the top and drive the platforms above and beyond in the consumer conscuiosness (FFVII on PS1, GTA3 on PS2, MHP2G on PSP in Japan).
Japan was always seen as the lock for the Vita though, western countries were always going to be more of an uphill battle.
Making money? Sure. Making a "lot" of money? Not really. You have to take into account marketing and R&D costs. I doubt Vita has made very much of a net profit for Sony, if any at all.
lunchwithyuzo
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Nevermind that Japanese support is inordinately more significant than just it's own market implies. Leading Japanese support still has worldwide ramifications, particularly in the field of dedicated handhelds.
Monster Hunter's own direct impact on Vita might have been localized to Japan, but the effects of that (greater success -> greater support) would certainly impact the platform worldwide.
demosthenes
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How does being number 1 or 2 on first week charts and overall Vita charts be struggling?
Yeah, I was going to say - it seems like it has performed pretty well in the UK.
SLEEPS7ALK3R
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Holy FUCK! I just had the greatest idea. Journey... for VITA! D:
3G online play, NEAR let's you see the location of your companion. Imagine walking up to them on the street and meeting them IRL...
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It was your avatar, BTW, that made me think of that.
3G online play, NEAR let's you see the location of your companion. Imagine walking up to them on the street and meeting them IRL...
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It was your avatar, BTW, that made me think of that.
Fifa is a sales monster on consoles, yet it didn't translate in massive Vita systems sales.
So if the software is not the problem, nor is the hardware, you have to question is the price is not to be blamed. I believe it is. More than new or better games, Vita needs a price cut to approach the impulse buy line.
I don't know how you can draw the line between 360/PS3 userbase and a launch hardware with a launch title.
Because FIFA sells, let's say hypothetically, 10 million on consoles, that doesn't mean 10 million people will automatically buy Vita for FIFA. Doesn't work like that.
Never would have thunk it but I got a brand new still sealed in box vita 3G/wifi today including lumines and Rayman and 8gb and 4gb memory card for $230... Gotta love craiglslist
What prompted me it buy is finding out that the vita has a VERY good DAC in it (wolfson) (digital analog converter)..... A dac worthy of "audiophiles"
Once there is a decent software to load and organize music, it'll be a nice little music player
Only plan on getting little big planet in the future... And maybe some really highly rated ones once in a while like 9.5/10
It's a shame that I wasn't able to use the AT&T free trial and game since that expired yesterday
Only problem is, the line-out volume is so low as to be almost useless
Really frustrated at that. I connect the Vita to my home cinema for Super Stardust (love that soundtrack) and it takes some real driving to get any volume out of it.
That's why I'm gonna be using a headphone amp. Like fiio e6 or e11. Good to know the cradle has line out sound (Lod)
I got e17 which can finallllly be ordered today after being back ordered everywhere.... Check out the reviews . I recommend getting from micca store
Has a wolfson dac as well which will be better than most laptop maybe even desktop sound cards. USB dac
The wolfson dac in my galaxy s / nexus s phones made a audiophile of sorts out of me.. It is also the dac inside older (best sounding) iPods like 5th gen iPod and 5.5th gen. FYI the wolfson isn't used in galaxy s2
OldJadedGamer
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As for the wait for E3 talk, I want to ask my question again... at the first E3 after launch, what big games were announced for the PSP besides GTA? I can't remember any big first party announcements.
No, not this at all. The issue isn't the drought immediately following launch, but the lack of major announcements for later in 2012 and beyond. Are you for real?
lunchwithyuzo
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It's worth mentioning in terms of new announcements 3DS had a fairly awful E3 2011 after it had recently launched. Then again it's E3 2010 pretty much blew every post-PS2 platform out of the water for prelaunch announcements, so it was resting on that somewhat as well.
Umm because they were already announced last year.
Pureauthor
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What games are you referring to, exactly?
I guess Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, and Bioshock.
What games?
Fifa on Vita offers a console-like experience. Fifa is the hottest console game in Europe along with CoD, and it should be moving Vita hardware. You say it's normal and not caused by vita's price, fine, but what do you blame then to explain Vita sales, bad marketing? Competition?
OldJadedGamer
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You mean the logos on screen like the Gran Turismo logo they put on screen at the PSP launch?
Be fair! Sony mocked up a fake boxart, UMD and a bullshot from PS2 GT4 too.
lunchwithyuzo
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Yes, because a logo is the same as this.
lol, Sony was pimping GT4 PSP pretty hard back in the day. We had more than a logo, we had developers on hand, (fake) media and even a UMD mockup.
And that's the same as Kazunori coming out on E3 saying the game is coming for the system.
No, it's not.
Yes, because a logo is the same as this.
and to this date, do we know anything about BioShock on VITA? Would it help if it comes out 3 years from now?
It's been super quiet on any details for COD, AC and Bioshock on VITA since they were announced. How do we even know they will come out before end of this year?
lunchwithyuzo
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No it's not the same, there were indications GT4mobile was a real product at the time. Meanwhile Levine admitted in E3 interviews that Bioshock Vita was still an idea or something.
Fantastical
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I don't really see the two being comparable, honestly. That was what? 7 years ago with a system that didn't need games as badly as Vita?
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