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thats a start, now drop it to 199
I want a 64gb
Me, too, but mostly just because I don't like micromanaging.
I don't intend to buy games digitally. I do have a bunch of ps1 classics to dl, though. But I would only want them on one card for convenience. It's not like I'm going to be juggling dozens of rpgs simultaneously. I could play one and delete it when I'm done.
I use the 3D when I can.
It does get annoying when it goes out of focus and you see doubles if you slightly wiggle or move your head though.
I'm not sure if many people (gamers at least) are actually buying a 3DS for the 3D anymore.
I can't believe people are finding it so difficult to accept a $250 price tag for such an incredible piece of hardware with a great library out of the gate.
The only misstep they've made was failing to include internal storage out of the box. The system itself should have offered at least 4gb of built-in flash memory.
Tarin02543
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Yeah, I'll buy a Vita when I get a memory card included.
Many people have low expectation of portable console experience, so they will have a low price expectation. Both 3DS and Vita are under this perception.
To maintain a higher price, Sony will need to demonstrate an exclusive experience and value. They should also define and market a new type/genre of games together with the bread and butter ones.
The other thing is Vita looks like thesame old PSP but with improved performance. It's hard to understand and appreciate Vita without owning one. So a new and obvious experience will help sell it.
MightyHedgehog
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You don't consider it a real possibility that a platform as limited and expensive as the Vita was a mistake in reading the market?
$250 is expensive when the 3DS (the PSV's direct competitor) is regularly going on sale for $150 or less. I just recently bought my second one for $99 ($119 sale at Wal-Mart + $20 Mail-in Rebate).
The PSV + memory card + accessories ended up costing me something like $450. That's not a small amount.
Great library depends on your opinion. For me the library is very weak.
A library can be good (in quality) and still not be the sort of lineup that drives mass adoption. Meanwhile, you and others bewildered by the Vita's commercial performance are still far too focused on the hardware itself. It's only a (relative) niche that buys hardware for hardware's sake.
Oh I agree, I personally do think that atleast some of the fault lies with Sonys marketing team, because since i've had my Vita I have numerous people comment on it, and the first question is usually "what makes it different then the old one?"
I've gotten quite a few of my friends to pick one up just by letting them mess with mine, letting them play games on it check out the features like near, and the community features.
Games will always been needed for any console portable or not, but I do think that the social aspects can play a big role when it comes to handhelds, and I think many of the social abilities of the Vita is something that Sony could capitalize on if they were smart. I also think they need to get PSsuite out the door so that they can have a steady stream of content available even between major releases. It's something I think they should have had ready at launch, atleast in beta phase atleast.
To be fair it seems like both Nintendo AND Sony grossly misread the market this time around. Nintendo utilized its flexibility to adjust almost immediately, however it remains to be seen what Sony will do about this.
Nope. Not yet. They should be able to do interesting things wiith Vita if Sony devote resources to it.
Most people I talked (casual and moderate gamers) know what it can do and has but don't want to invest 250 for a product of which they don't know if they will be able to use it for many hours.
This makes me believe that price ánd software is key, it also needs a memory card included. Everybody I talked to thought that you got the storage with the device itself.
Slappers Only
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I'm sorry, but lacking any content that interests me, a dedicated gaming device needs to have significantly greater horsepower than some generic internet diddling device (iPad 3) before I consider it a worthwhile and promising purchase. The next iPad will far outclass the Vita in all of the few ways it doesn't already, and that will be less than a year from now. Have fun with your Vita.
DangerousDave
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But you cannot compare a sale price in one product with a official price in another product. If you count the cheaper possible price of a 3DS you have to do the same with Vita.
Knowing or thinking they know the experience is exactly the problem. ^_^
MightyHedgehog
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Well, Ninty has the advantage of being in the market, entrenching themselves as the de facto dedicated handheld (again!) and, after a very large price adjustment, is less expensive and has the biggest handheld IPs exclusively.
Skiesofwonder
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I don't know about everybody else, but I don't play without 3D unless it is Kid Icarus (without stand) or Revelations (gyro aiming). Too me 3D adds a lot to the system. BTW, when was Wal-Mart selling a $119 3DS? That's a crazy good deal.
Also, I'm getting a Vita tomorrow. I have Uncharted, Rayman, and Gravity Rush on my radar. Outside of that..... hopefully E3 brings us some Vita goodness.
DangerousDave
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Ninty has the advantage of a very powerful first party support full of system sellers that will never be in a non-Nintendo platform. Pokemon, Mario Kart, etc.
The Vita will exceed any other tablet in graphics performance for many years, the OS and hardware is specifically made to do that best.
Except for touch control games of any sort.
So the next Ipad will have a proper control scheme?
company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest
and people say to wait for E3
mescalineeyes
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You'd be a fool to think that the Vita will outperform next year's iPad.
That's for the 3G model, which they discounted by around 20 bucks but it costs around 50 dollars more so its only around 30 dollars more.
If you don't want 3G then it is no bargain at all.
Developers have direct access to the Vita hardware, however, unlike iPad. It will take some time for iPad games to completely match what can be done on the Vita even with more powerful hardware. Very few games actually exploit the power of the device with most of them running at poor framerates with very simplistic visuals.
More importantly, the iPad is a touch only device which greatly limits the quality of the experience.
Even if you ignore all of that, the iPad is a much more expensive device.
The Vita is simply a better gaming device all around and will remain as such for years.
The 3DS is much weaker than an iPad yet there isn't anything on the iPad that can touch the quality of, say, Resident Evil Revelations.
Yap, Also a 3DS is not a Vita even with a circular pad extension. Need to add more h/w but they excel at different things.
Battery life, usefulness beyond gaming is different. Game library will eventually diverge too. Sony should also continue to add more PS3 integration.
Shai-Tan
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what does it matter when you can count on one hand the games that actually use the graphics power of the device? there's a reason why consoles have a fixed hardware spec
I know it's not a fair comparison, but that's market reality. When the PSV has sales, I would compare those prices. Looking at MSRP prices on paper is one thing, but when I'm physically standing in a store and looking at the price tags, I constantly see the 3DS on sale and the $20 Mail-in Rebate thing is active for another week or two. So it's not just retailers saying "we'll have a sale". It's also Nintendo encouraging sales and stuff.
It's not fair, but it's the way it is.
I do a lot of my handheld gaming in bed, laying on my side. I wiggle a lot I guess... So I'm constantly losing the 3D effect. If I was just losing the 3d, it wouldn't be so bad, but I'm always seeing double and having to readjust and stuff. It's annoying.
The Wal-Mart $119 3DS sale was like... two weeks ago? I assume it's over now. With the $20 MIR, it was too tempting not to pick up a pink one!
mescalineeyes
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You can also count on one hand the games for the VITA actually worth playing so far.
two hands if I am feeling generous
Yes, I remember now. They should definitely push for more 3G adoption. I think it has an interesting play compared to the limited WiFi mobility and location based tech.
Shai-Tan
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that's your opinion, just like some people think the ipad is full of worthless games
I'm sorry, but lacking any content that interests me, a dedicated gaming device needs to have significantly greater horsepower than some generic internet diddling device (PC) before I consider it a worthwhile and promising purchase. The next Nvidia/Intel product will far outclass the PS4/720 in all of the few ways it doesn't already, and that will be less than a year from their release. Have fun with your Xbox720/PS4.
I personally don't understand the complete dropping of the UMD drive when there are still PSP UMD games releasing.
The 3DS already included complete BC with DS right out of the box. The Vita has yet to demonstrate that value.
And we're talking about portables for your limited pocket space, before someone chimes in with "keep your PSP too". it's not like having that PS2 sitting next to that PS3 that doesn't have BC capability in your entertainment center.
The 3DS already included complete BC with DS right out of the box. The Vita has yet to demonstrate that value.
And we're talking about portables for your limited pocket space, before someone chimes in with "keep your PSP too". it's not like having that PS2 sitting next to that PS3 that doesn't have BC capability in your entertainment center.
A lot of peopke like me haven't tried many PSP games though. It's a good way to catch up and stay future proof.
iPad h/w may be better next year but the software stack is too heavy weight. Battery life is superb but they may need to address heating issues more seruiysly next round.
company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest
Oh God.
I just bought my son a 3DS for $99 as well, but I got my Vita for $50 via the FS trade-in deal so it wasn't that expensive even considering the memory card.
I personally am enjoying the Vita games way more than I thought I would. I bought it mainly to be used during my commute to and from work, but I've found myself playing it quite a bit in the evening and weekends as well while at home.
durrrrrrrrrr
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there's a lot of talk about big titles to move Vita, but based on my own circle of friends the small titles that gradually move Vitas aren't there either.
we play Gods Eater Burst and Phantasy Star Portable 2 together, and i asked when are we going to move to Vita. i'm waiting for Monster Hunter myself, but other titles that came up were Miku Project Diva and DJMax Technika. maybe my friends are the only people on earth that would pick up a Vita to play Hatsune Miku, but either way it's troubling how Sony can't sell Vita to a bunch of guys that meet up just to play PSP.
we play Gods Eater Burst and Phantasy Star Portable 2 together, and i asked when are we going to move to Vita. i'm waiting for Monster Hunter myself, but other titles that came up were Miku Project Diva and DJMax Technika. maybe my friends are the only people on earth that would pick up a Vita to play Hatsune Miku, but either way it's troubling how Sony can't sell Vita to a bunch of guys that meet up just to play PSP.
I could make that exact same statement about the 3DS as of today. It's all relative, so statements like that mean nothing.
But I can pop the tons of great DS cartridges into my 3DS. I can't pop any of the tons of UMD's that I have into a Vita.
company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest
Oh snap
So, almost all of them then? ;-)
If you have a ton of UMDs you probably have a PSP anyways.
DS games look like shit on the 3DS, though, so I stick with my DS Lite for those titles as well.
chickdigger802
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My 3G/Wifi Vita came with an 8GB card for no extra charge. I thought the Wifi model came with a 4GB card.
That really sucks, which is why I'm glad I went digital only with my PSP - even against my hardcore video-game collecting habits.
company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest
that's sad :/
Hahaha are you serious? Ken Levine coming out with a Vita saying "Bioshock is coming to this" is equivalent to showing off a logo?
No, he's saying it's equivalent to the announcement of GT4 back in 2004. Which didn't lead to an actual product in anything resembling a timely fashion.
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