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[OldJadedGamer]

According to Andriasang, Sony has started to bundle 4Gb card with Vita in Japan.

Good, now do it worldwide, make it wifi and not exclusive to the 3G, lower the price, and pack in a game and they have my sale.

Ninty has the advantage of a very powerful first party support full of system sellers that will never be in a non-Nintendo platform. Pokemon, Mario Kart, etc.

They also devote good internal teams to making games for the system where as Sony hasn't stated so far that any of their AAA teams are making games yet.

Even if you ignore all of that, the iPad is a much more expensive device.

The cheapest iPad is 16 gigs and $399. A Vita with 16 gigs is $310. More expensive yes, but not the huge gap you are talking about.

 

[dark10x]

DS games also kinda look like shit on ds ;P

Text is better on ds though.

Not the games I play (which are typically 2D pixelart games).

 

[richiek]

iPad h/w may be better next year but the software stack is too heavy weight. Battery life is superb but they may need to address heating issues more seruiysly next round.

Please. The iPad overheating issues are way overblown. My iPhone generates more heat than the new iPad.

 

[ReaperXL7]

They also devote good internal teams to making games for the system where as Sony hasn't stated so far that any of their AAA teams are making games yet.

Dident Sony say that Naughty Dog would be working on something for the Vita? I know Naughty Dog said it was not true, but I if Sony wants them to make a Vita game I don't know how ND could say no.

 

[mugurumakensei]

company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest Found out, as my friend was let go

Oh my.

 

[vaelic]

Oh my.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/04/02/sony-swaps-warrior-39-s-lair-devs.aspx

 

[Celine]

company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest Found out, as my friend was let go

That sucks.

 

[dark10x]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/04/02/sony-swaps-warrior-39-s-lair-devs.aspx

Wait, that article suggests that they simply moved the game to another studio.

That was always intended to be a PS3/Vita game anyways.

It's always sad to see people laid off, though.

 

[Dark_AnNiaLatOr]

That sucks.

Really hope we see some awesome news soon around E3. A GTA or RDR would be amazing. Day one purchase for me most likely.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Wait, that article suggests that they simply moved the game to another studio.

That was always intended to be a PS3/Vita game anyways.

It's always sad to see people laid off, though.

Likely, some of the staff were let go since one of the major projects was moved and other vita projects were canned.

 

[dark10x]

Likely, some of the staff were let go since one of the major projects was moved and other vita projects were canned.

Well if they canned other Vita projects I'd say that's a very bad sign.

 

[ReaperXL7]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/04/02/sony-swaps-warrior-39-s-lair-devs.aspx

That article does not exactly match what you had said previously....How does Sony moving development of a game from one studio to another = "company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest " ?

 

[frequency]

Wait, that article suggests that they simply moved the game to another studio.

That was always intended to be a PS3/Vita game anyways.

It's always sad to see people laid off, though.

Yeah but that means Idol Minds lost a project. So all those people they took on for the project would be let go.

It's very sad, but that's generally how game development (at least in the west) works. Hire on people for a project, and then let them all go afterwards.

The only other thing we know they have is Ratchet and Clank HD Collection. Since both were going on at the same time, I would have to guess there isn't very much crossover between the teams.

 

[CloakedPuppet]

Instead of debating, worrying or trying to forecast Vita support, I'll just play and enjoy mine and continue to do so as long as there is software being released. But I'm weird that way.

 

[patsu]

Please. The iPad overheating issues are way overblown. My iPhone generates more heat than the new iPad.

It depends on what apps you use. ^_^
I have friends who own the new iPad and they said the same thing. It's definitely warmer than iPad 2 and 1, but yes, it won't burn your hands. It's unsual for Apple since the technology is supposed to become invisible.

They will need to pay attention to heating issues for newer and presumably more powerful iPads.

 

[patsu]

That article does not exactly match what you had said previously....How does Sony moving development of a game from one studio to another = "company in colorado just laid off 3/4 of their VITA team due to lack of VITA interest " ?

It doesn't really matter. The key is whether the game is fun to play. Otherwise, I prefer them to kill the thing and go work on Demon's Souls for Vita or something. ^_^

 

[DangerousDave]

I personally believe if Nintendo had a better relationship with 3rd parties, sony would have even bigger problems

Better? They already seems to be Capcom and Square platform of choice. The only game companies that seems to adopt Vita as platform of choice are small RPG companies like NIS or Gust.

 

[Agent X]

The next iPad will far outclass the Vita in all of the few ways it doesn't already, and that will be less than a year from now. Have fun with your Vita.

Thanks, I will!

 

[strem]

It's 2012 and you have a device that has external memory cards. I repeat IT'S 2012

 

[patsu]

It's 2012 and you have a device that has external memory cards. I repeat IT'S 2012

Even if it's 2020, I would still prefer a device that allows us to upgrade its storage, than buying a whole new SKU with fixed storage. The problem with Vita's storage is that Sony didn't bundle one in. It's a great concept to have upgradable storage.

 

[JWong]

It's 2012 and you have a device that has external memory cards. I repeat IT'S 2012

Uuuuh, there are tons of devices with external memory cards.

 

[DiscoJer]

Uuuuh, there are tons of devices with external memory cards.

Yeah. Having an external memory card is a good thing. The problem with the Vita is that they went with their own proprietary and extremely expensive memory card, rather than sd cards.

 

[Hex]

Well if they canned other Vita projects I'd say that's a very bad sign.

It would be fantastic if he could tell us of some of these canned projects instead of talking out of his ass.
If a dev team can not produce , then it had to be moved elsewhere.
It really sucks for anyone to lose a job especially these days and hopefully they will land on their feet.
But fud is dumb.

Edit:
This thread has gotten biblically stupid, yet somehow we have an open "hey come in and troll Vita it is allowed in here" thread.
People act like the 3DS had mountains of games when it first came out, forgetting that it needed a huge emergency price drop to get moving and even then the non Nintendo choices are not dazzling yet.
Would I love more now? Yep.
The Vita has been out for less than 2 months.
The iOS yapping in here is stupid.
When I can play MvC, Uncharted, Mortal Kombat and other games on the iPad talk to me.
There are great games on the iPad, not so much on android but getting there but this whole thing with it jacking every thread is kind of dumb.

Better? They already seems to be Capcom and Square platform of choice. The only game companies that seems to adopt Vita as platform of choice are small RPG companies like NIS or Gust.

Marvel Vs Capcom 2
Street Fighter vs Tekken
I do not think Capcom has set any platform of choice yet.
It was already stated back in July that Capcom was already working on 4 Vita titles with One for Launch that being obviously MvC

Square is also giving Final Fantasy X HD for Vita and who knows what else.
Again keeping in mind the time the system has been out I have no idea where such definite statements as yours could come from

 

[patsu]

Yeah. Having an external memory card is a good thing. The problem with the Vita is that they went with their own proprietary and extremely expensive memory card, rather than sd cards.

MS uses proprietary HDD connector for 360 and it was okay for them. Apple used to and still push for their own connectivity and standards too. The business model is sound.

It's the entry price that annoy people. If enough memory is bundled for basic/common use case, they would be much better off.


Sony should explain and provide some benefits of their proprietary card system though. Their marketing failed to explain anything.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Yeah. Having an external memory card is a good thing. The problem with the Vita is that they went with their own proprietary and extremely expensive memory card, rather than sd cards.

And the fact that they are required to boot games.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

games won't even boot?
oh for fucks sake...this is unvelievable

I think some games do boot without the memory card, while others won't start unless you have a memory card. Yeah, it's a mindbogglingly stupid decision, but that's current Sony for you.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Dident Sony say that Naughty Dog would be working on something for the Vita? I know Naughty Dog said it was not true, but I if Sony wants them to make a Vita game I don't know how ND could say no.

This is actually rather hilarious in the hindsight.

I mean, at one side you have a spokesperson for Sony saying ND will do Vita, but then a ND employee straight up said no in GAF denying it. It just showed:

- ND doesn't really care about what Sony want and,
- How disconnected the management of Sony is with one of its leading first party developer and how ND doesn't seem to have any problem showing this to the general public.

 

[Agent X]

games won't even boot?
oh for fucks sake...this is unvelievable

Believe it.

The fact that many retail game cartridges require a memory card is the reason why a lot of people were clamoring for Sony to include at least a small amount of memory with the system.

 

[Hex]

games won't even boot?
oh for fucks sake...this is unvelievable

There are some games that will without them, other require them.

 

[GopherD]

games won't even boot?
oh for fucks sake...this is unvelievable

Hyperbole much? It's really not that big a deal.

 

[Para bailar La Bomba]

games won't even boot?
oh for fucks sake...this is unvelievable

Call WFAN.

 

[BigDug13]

Hyperbole much? It's really not that big a deal.

It's not that big of a deal? People expect to buy a portable console and portable game and be able to play it. That is the way it has been for every signal portable game system for all eternity.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Well, there is this Kickstarter for a space fight Vita game called Starlight Inception

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/732317316/starlight-inceptiontm?ref=users

It should be supported!

 

[OldJadedGamer]

games won't even boot?
oh for fucks sake...this is unvelievable

Also, some of the built in software won't work without a memory card as well.

Believe it.

The fact that many retail game cartridges require a memory card is the reason why a lot of people were clamoring for Sony to include at least a small amount of memory with the system.

It makes the system look like it was released in an incomplete state. I really wish I could be a fly on the wall during the huge discussions they had on whether to ship a system that couldn't play all games out of the box or to put a tiny bit of on board memory in.

 

[ta-va]

the vita is still too expensive IMO.

$250 for the base handheld
$25 for 4GB PSV mem card
$40 for a decent game

that's $315 before tax & $342.56 afterwards... that's for the BASE system too.

but if it were me buying the console, 4GB isn't enough at all & i'd have to get uncharted with it instead so that would be.

$250 + $60 16gb card + $50 uncharted totals out to $391.50 after tax.......


that's just flat out absurd for a handheld IMO. especially one that is supposed to bring PS3 like games in a handheld form. i'd rather just get a PS3 + some games for that price.

the PSV isn't going to take off until it drops in price and they pack in a damn mem card thats REQUIRED to play..

hidden costs FTL

 

[KillGore]

not that big?

so I'm supposed to buy a game AND a system and when I can't play the game i should just say...well, shit hapens, it's not that big of a deal

This is not the SNES/Genesis era, what's the point in playing a game when you can't even save it? I guess the only genre that would be fine to play without save file are fighting games and mini games.

 

[dallow_bg]

This is not the SNES/Genesis era, what's the point in playing a game when you can't even save it? I guess the only genre that would be fine to play without save file are fighting games and mini games.

Let's my little sister play my game without copying or messing up my progress.
It really doesn't matter why, people should be able to try out a game at the very least.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

This is not the SNES/Genesis era, what's the point in playing a game when you can't even save it? I guess the only genre that would be fine to play without save file are fighting games and mini games.

You know what would be a cool feature of the Vita? A sleep feature that could stall the system and keep it in a state that the player could come back and play without powering down or draining the battery!!

Actually, all systems... ever could boot all launch titles out of the box. Even the 360 launch tard pack could still play every launch game. Outside of silliness like games designed for special hardware like the R.O.B. robot... all previous systems could play all games out of the box before the Vita released.

Btw, guess which company was the first to institute requiring the purchase of memory cards as the only way to continue in your games for game systems?

 

[Adr1an]

I think the vita faces a tough road ahead of itself, the price and memory card requirement is really hurting this system from getting more sales. In turn might be putting off developers from making games on it.

I think E3 is going to be a big indicator at how much of a good future this machine will have.

 

[RukusProvider]

the vita is still too expensive IMO.

$250 for the base handheld
$25 for 4GB PSV mem card
$40 for a decent game

that's $315 before tax & $342.56 afterwards... that's for the BASE system too.

but if it were me buying the console, 4GB isn't enough at all & i'd have to get uncharted with it instead so that would be.

$250 + $60 16gb card + $50 uncharted totals out to $391.50 after tax.......


that's just flat out absurd for a handheld IMO. especially one that is supposed to bring PS3 like games in a handheld form. i'd rather just get a PS3 + some games for that price.

the PSV isn't going to take off until it drops in price and they pack in a damn mem card thats REQUIRED to play..

hidden costs FTL

Sony is still pretending to live in a world their brand name can carry a premium. Clearly sinking their TV business hasn't taught them enough about that.

 

[dark10x]

first of all, saving the game is one thing, not being able to boot the game is another. and NOT BEING ABLE TO BOOT BUILT-IN APPS IS EVEN MORE FUCKED UP

and since you are talking about SNES, didn't those cartridges have batteries for saaving games? didn't even the gameboy carts have these? and if I remember well, I read once even the NES have games that were able to save games...

It's definitely a strange issue, but honestly, this isn't going to impact most people as anyone seriously planning to play games on the system is going to have a memory card. There's little point in playing the games without one so this would only be an issue if you just bought the system and wanted to sample some games.

 

[massoluk]

Hyperbole much? It's really not that big a deal.

It should be, they switched from UMD to bascially SD Card, you shouldn't really even need mem card to play game.

 

[gcubed]

the vita is still too expensive IMO.

$250 for the base handheld
$25 for 4GB PSV mem card
$40 for a decent game

that's $315 before tax & $342.56 afterwards... that's for the BASE system too.

but if it were me buying the console, 4GB isn't enough at all & i'd have to get uncharted with it instead so that would be.

$250 + $60 16gb card + $50 uncharted totals out to $391.50 after tax.......


that's just flat out absurd for a handheld IMO. especially one that is supposed to bring PS3 like games in a handheld form. i'd rather just get a PS3 + some games for that price.

the PSV isn't going to take off until it drops in price and they pack in a damn mem card thats REQUIRED to play..

hidden costs FTL

if it were me, i require a good case and a battery pack, which ads $100, then i would require a nicer backpack with more features to carry my vita in its case and the battery pack if i run out of juice... i like nice backpacks, so at least $150 for that. I can't get a new backpack without getting some new shirts and pants to go with it...

 

[Solid07]

According to the sales figures, yep it's slowing down tremendously.

Honestly, what did you expect? Many adults and kids-alike have smart-phones that can play portable 3D games already which are either dirt-cheap or free (w/ ads). Not to mention endless number of apps that are available for you already so it really is a no-brainer.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Good, now do it worldwide, make it wifi and not exclusive to the 3G, lower the price, and pack in a game and they have my sale.

I was feeling the same way at the US launch, but at this point even that's not going to get me to buy one.
My desire to own a Vita has nosedived seeing how poor interest is in the device. It's a beautiful piece of hardware, but I'm going to need to see more interest from the masses, as well as some solid game announcements from the big publishers.
At the same time my expectations of what was possible on 3DS was shattered when I bought RE and KI. The more time I spend with my 3DS, the more I love it, so the question for me is now why do I need a Vita?

 

[ElNino]

According to the sales figures, yep it's slowing down tremendously.

Honestly, what did you expect? Many adults and kids-alike have smart-phones that can play portable 3D games already which are either dirt-cheap or free (w/ ads). Not to mention endless number of apps that are available for you already so it really is a no-brainer.

This is going to be Sony's biggest hurdle to overcome; convincing people who already have smartphones why the Vita is a worthy purchase to play games with.

Personally, I didn't have much desire to get a Vita until I tried a pre-release demo and realised how much better the experience is to playing games on my phone (although there will always be good touch-friendly games as well). Combine the hands-on experience with some good launch deals and it was a no brainer for me to pick one up.

 

[dark10x]

According to the sales figures, yep it's slowing down tremendously.

Honestly, what did you expect? Many adults and kids-alike have smart-phones that can play portable 3D games already which are either dirt-cheap or free (w/ ads). Not to mention endless number of apps that are available for you already so it really is a no-brainer.

Of course we realize this, but after experiencing Vita it's tough to go back to those games. I had almost forgotten just how much of a difference proper controls can make for handheld games. I've almost completely stopped buying all but the best iOS games as a result as most of them feel like a waste of time in comparison.

 

[SmokyDave]

Of course we realize this, but after experiencing Vita it's tough to go back to those games. I had almost forgotten just how much of a difference proper controls can make for handheld games. I've almost completely stopped buying all but the best iOS games as a result as most of them feel like a waste of time in comparison.

Y'know, if I'm honest, I don't find it hard. I found myself in a pub on Monday and I happened to have my Vita with me. It sat on the table switched off while I played iPhone games and surfed GAF. It's happened again since too, I think I'm out of the honeymoon period.

As far as I'm concerned, neither 3DS nor Vita come close to the iPhone when it comes to actually gaming on the move. The games are better suited for 'pick up & play', as is the hardware.

I'd rather play the Vita when I get home and crash on the sofa though, definitely.

 

[dark10x]

Y'know, if I'm honest, I don't find it hard. I found myself in a pub on Monday and I happened to have my Vita with me. It sat on the table switched off while I played iPhone games and surfed GAF. It's happened again since too, I think I'm out of the honeymoon period.

As far as I'm concerned, neither 3DS nor Vita come close to the iPhone when it comes to actually gaming on the move. The games are better suited for 'pick up & play', as is the hardware.

I'd rather play the Vita when I get home and crash on the sofa though, definitely.

In that sense, sure, but in cases where I may have played an iOS game I know just read an ebook or surf the net. iOS games have lost most of their appeal. I've tried a couple since Vita and I've played them each one time for about 2 minutes before never loading them up again. There's just nothing to hold my attention anymore. They're cheap but ultimately a waste of money for me now.

 

[flyinpiranha]

if it were me, i require a good case and a battery pack, which ads $100, then i would require a nicer backpack with more features to carry my vita in its case and the battery pack if i run out of juice... i like nice backpacks, so at least $150 for that. I can't get a new backpack without getting some new shirts and pants to go with it...

Yes, equating the system, a REQUIRED memory card, and a game is the same to all that stupid shit you just said.

You know why I don't have a Vita? Price.
You know why 2 of my friends who bought PSP's don't have a Vita? Price.
You know why a lot of other people have said in this thread and many others why they don't have a Vita? Price.

But no, you're right ... it's obviously priced just fine and the reason the sales dropped like a rock after the first initial wave is because of just people hatin' on Sony ... nothing to do with the huge price of entry.