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Is the Hulk the cheapest comic book superhero ever?

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ReiGun said:
He was saving a group of astronauts who were studying the Sun. Luthor sabotaged the project so that Supes would save the folks and take in the lethal dose of sun radiation.
That is one of the shabbiest ways a writer has come up with to injure him I have heard of. Woeful.

karasu said:
She was way too strong.
Yeah, leverage and layers are king. You can snap string, but get wrapped up the right way, in enough of it, and you're fucked. Or saran wrap.

I have no knowledge of their respective strengths, but it is very possible to get tied up in a material you can break.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
He's really never done that before?

I just always assumed he had.
i forget the exact details, but luthor did something to cause him to absorb more power than he normally would while he was out near the sun.

i remember some sort of clone human bomb creature thing.
 
karasu said:
Spiderman should not be able to trap Rogue in a spiderweb. That is fucking retarded. But it's Spiderman, what else shoud I expect.
This is Secret Wars we're talking about. Rogue was still a teenie-bopper, had limited knowledge of her capabilities, and wasn't quite certain if she actually wanted to be part of the team. She got clocked by almost everyone in that series.

80's Spider-Man was either ridiculously amazing or just plain ridiculous, depending on perspective. During that era, he whipped Hulk, Titania, Deathstroke, the entire X-Men team, Electro multiple times and even body-slammed Dr. Doom.
 
Oblivion said:
From the Hulk's profile page on Wiki:



Now, I'm not exactly just discovering this. I've known this for years, and I imagine most people with even a casual interest in the Hulk probably already knew this too. But it's always bothered me. I'm sorry, but nearly infinite strength? Power matching the fricken Celestials? That's bullshit, dawg. The Hulk is a creation of science and should abide by the laws of physics goddamn it. And yes, that includes comic book physics.

Ya feel me?

Sniper rifle + Knowledge that Bruce Banner is the Hulk= No more hulk problems. Can't get mad if he's dead, and as Bruce Banner he has no protection from even a mundane guy with a gun if he gets the drop on him. I'd never make a good Super Villain, I'd just scrag guys like Batman or the Hulk at long range and no warning. ;)
 
Measley said:
Same. The lack of consistent creative teams really hurts most western comics.
Not really. If you don't like what a team's doing, you can just drop the book and come back to it later, and it'll be a whole new experience. Still waiting for One More Day to wear off, but eh.
Lonewolf_92 said:
Sniper rifle + Knowledge that Bruce Banner is the Hulk= No more hulk problems. Can't get mad if he's dead, and as Bruce Banner he has no protection from even a mundane guy with a gun if he gets the drop on him. I'd never make a good Super Villain, I'd just scrag guys like Batman or the Hulk at long range and no warning. ;)
The Bannertech personal force field would make that kinda hard.

Batman's costume is largely bulletproof as well.
 
Lonewolf_92 said:
Sniper rifle + Knowledge that Bruce Banner is the Hulk= No more hulk problems. Can't get mad if he's dead, and as Bruce Banner he has no protection from even a mundane guy with a gun if he gets the drop on him. I'd never make a good Super Villain, I'd just scrag guys like Batman or the Hulk at long range and no warning. ;)
wouldnt work, bannertech forcefields, etc, etc.
 
Ultimoo said:
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given, this was on high damage, but he'd do able to do this with XF3 though.


holy fuck happy birthday!!!
 
Pandaman said:
wouldnt work, bannertech forcefields, etc, etc.

didnt they say in the last issue david wrote that if you inflicted a mortal wound on banner hed just turn into the hulk?
 
Gr1mLock said:
didnt they say in the last issue david wrote that if you inflicted a mortal wound on banner hed just turn into the hulk?
Actually there was a storyline a few years ago where Banner got caught in a grenade blast and had shrapnel lodged into his brain. Hulking out saved him, but he had to stay Hulk or else he would die. Even then the shrapnel floating around his head was causing the Hulk to have mood swings.
 
Slayven said:
Actually there was a storyline a few years ago where Banner got caught in a grenade blast and had shrapnel lodged into his brain. Hulking out saved him, but he had to stay Hulk or else he would die. Even then the shrapnel floating around his head was causing the Hulk to have mood swings.

I remember banner trying to kill himself after betty died and hed just turn to hulk.
 
Tence said:
Isn't that early 90's Spidey though? I think I have that second comic and no way I bought that in the 80's
You know what, you're absolutely right. I was looking at that Doom panel, thinking it looked suspiciously like McFarlane. I'm guessing early 90's is correct, a few years before Marvel went emo-spidey.

edit: Larsen
 
GreekWolf said:
You know what, you're absolutely right. I was looking at that Doom panel, thinking it looked suspiciously like McFarlane. I'm guessing early 90's is correct, a few years before Marvel went emo-spidey.

It looks like a toned down McFarlane... which if I remember correctly (but I am not sure) is Erik Larsen. Wasn't McFarlane already doing Spawn by then?


edit: lol... yeah indeed
 
Scott fucking Summers. Seriously, has anyone had such a drastic power boost from absolutely nowhere?

Dont't get me wrong, I do hate Cyclops, but come on, lets be fair. Give Wolverine something. By this point I think Cyclops could destroy an entire continent just by winking. And what? Wolvering can regenerate from the Ashes?
 
Nix said:
Scott fucking Summers. Seriously, has anyone had such a drastic power boost from absolutely nowhere?

Dont't get me wrong, I do hate Cyclops, but come on, lets be fair. Give Wolverine something. By this point I think Cyclops could destroy an entire continent just by winking. And what? Wolvering can regenerate from the Ashes?


What happened with him? I thought he was always considered uber powerful.
 
karasu said:
What happened with him? I thought he was always considered uber powerful.
he always been powerful. Funny thing is his brothers pack way more juice then him, but lack his skill.
 
<3 this thread. I love trying to comprehend all these crazy abilities and powers.

For me, any character that wields telekinesis and telepathy is cheap as hell.
 
I used to love those Marvel Universe guidebook series' with profiles of every Marvel character. In-depth analysis of their history, powers, physical fitness, intelligence, etc. Do they still do those? I'd love to read the latest versions.

But the ones I had were from the late 80s, early 90s. Given how convoluted everything has gotten with alternate universes and everything, it seems like you could devote 10 pages of text to even a basic summary of the history of a character like Spiderman...

I guess I could just use Wikipedia for this purpose, but I'd love to have a huge encyclopedia of this shit on the coffee table...
 
I'm surprised at the amount of superheroes that have the power to singlehandedly create or destroy the universe. If I was your average guy on the street I would be pissed that these demi-gods are always have interdimensional battles that result in the frequent rupture in the space-time continuum.
 
Hulk? Not even close.

DC has some of the most overpowered stuff ever. Excluding reality warpers and celestial like beings Silver Age Superman takes it for sure. In more modern times there's Superboy Prime.
 
Forkball said:
I'm surprised at the amount of superheroes that have the power to singlehandedly create or destroy the universe. If I was your average guy on the street I would be pissed that these demi-gods are always have interdimensional battles that result in the frequent rupture in the space-time continuum.

they tried to rein that in during the late 80ties..dc more so then marvel. But i guess sooner or later they just kinda went with it. I always hated when they downgraded powers of the characters anyway. When byrne was writing hulk he struggled with ripping out sewage lines and pushing trucks...fuck that shit..
 
Come on, now. It will always be Batman, because DC editorial will let Batman beat anyone a writer asks permission to beat up, even if it's several absurdly powerful characters all at once.

The modern comic reader's expectation is that Batman can beat anyone with the proper strategy, and the writers comply. And he doesn't even have proper powers! So he's a normal guy who can use gadgets and the almighty "prep time" to do virtually anything. Even if he has to travel through the entire span of human history to do it. Riiiiiiight.

And yet, when necessary his abilities contract to make a gangster like Two-Face or Penguin a competitive nemesis. But then tomorrow he can take out a guy who can vibrate through time and space. Batman is the cheapest character because his capacities are wildly different from writer to writer and even sometimes from story to story. Yes Hulk's strength level varies a great deal between stories and sometimes reaches into the stratosphere of absurd, but it's nothing next to what one normal guy in the DCU can apparently do with 50 gajillion dollars. Batman would just have some calming....emitter...thing. He would have the perfect solution just as he always does. World War Hulk would have listed an hour, tops, in the DCU. Unless Superman fucked things up somehow.

Dan Yo said:
Batman's one of the few or only superheroes who doesn't even have a superpower. He's a just a regular guy that uses technology to put himself on the same level as the others. He's always at way more risk than anyone else because of the fact that he's just a normal human being relying on brains and gadgets.

If someone batman loves dies, he has to live with it. Superman will just circle the Earth until he goes back to before they died. If someone shoots Bruce while he's walking to his car, he dies. If someone shoots Superman he barely even notices.

This isn't about personal stakes though, it's about who is "cheapest." I don't see how this point is relevant to the question at all.

The fact that Batman can so confidently put all that on the line to do what the hell ever he's required to do whenever he feels like it just adds to the cheapness. He knows he'll win! He's the goddamn Batman.
 
Dead Man said:
That is one of the shabbiest ways a writer has come up with to injure him I have heard of. Woeful.

You are writing off one of the best stories the genre has ever produced, check it out makes alot more sense when you read more than a single page. I am assuming of course that you've never read All-Star Superman and that's the reason for your disdain. If you have read it then booooooo.
 
echoshifting said:
Come on, now. It will always be Batman, because DC editorial will let Batman beat anyone a writer asks permission to beat up, even if it's several absurdly powerful characters all at once.

The modern comic reader's expectation is that Batman can beat anyone with the proper strategy, and the writers comply. And he doesn't even have proper powers! So he's a normal guy who can use gadgets and the almighty "prep time" to do virtually anything. Even if he has to travel through the entire span of human history to do it. Riiiiiiight.

And yet, when necessary his abilities contract to make a gangster like Two-Face or Penguin a competitive nemesis. But then tomorrow he can take out a guy who can vibrate through time and space. Batman is the cheapest character because his capacities are wildly different from writer to writer and even sometimes from story to story. Yes Hulk's strength level varies a great deal between stories and sometimes reaches into the stratosphere of absurd, but it's nothing next to what one normal guy in the DCU can apparently do with 50 gajillion dollars. Batman would just have some calming....emitter...thing. He would have the perfect solution just as he always does. World War Hulk would have listed an hour, tops, in the DCU.


This isn't about personal stakes though, it's about who is "cheapest." I don't see how this point is relevant to the question at all.

The fact that Batman can so confidently put all that on the line to do what the hell ever he's required to do whenever he feels like it just adds to the cheapness. He knows he'll win! He's the goddamn Batman.




that reminds me of the only good thing ign ever did. the random batman vs ? column where youd fill in the question mark and write a short article describing how batman would win..
 
It's definitely Batman. Cheap in proportion to what he should be able to do. You'd think Superman's so-called superhuman intelligence would at least be a match for Batman's intellgence. But anyway he's the goddamn Batman, that's why no one kills him with laser eyes from orbit or something.

This wouldn't be a problem if Batman wasn't a supreme dick, poking other superheroes in the eye in a team he really doesn't fit into well (JLA) beyond being important in the DCU. If he didn't go chasing waterfalls and just played his little catch-and-release game in Gotham, the likes of Superman wouldn't have to get into and throw fights with him.
 
LaserBuddha said:
This wouldn't be a problem if Batman wasn't a supreme dick, poking other superheroes in the eye in a team he really doesn't fit into well (JLA) beyond being important in the DCU. If he didn't go chasing waterfalls and just played his little catch-and-release game in Gotham, the likes of Superman wouldn't have to get into and throw fights with him.

This is the crux of the problem with Batman - the team-ups. Batman is constantly being teamed up with heroes well beyond his power level, just due to the extremely high power level, in general, of DCU heroes. So, they have to make him do things that should be well beyond his mental, physical or fiscal capacity so he doesn't look like a pussy.

It didn't really get out of control until they launched that Batman/Superman book several years ago, but he's been off the charts stupid-cheap ever since.
 
favouriteflavour said:
You are writing off one of the best stories the genre has ever produced, check it out makes alot more sense when you read more than a single page. I am assuming of course that you've never read All-Star Superman and that's the reason for your disdain. If you have read it then booooooo.
I have not, so may have to check it out. It seems pretty thin though.
 
Kinyou said:
But.. but I think that Manhattan can't actually die, so...

To pretty much all the highlevel cosmic entities death is a minor hindrance.

Dr. Manhattan, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Captain Atom, Monarch and a bunch of other characters can seemingly die yet return unscathed a few panels later.

So yeah, while Manhattan seemed pretty cool, he was in a weak universe...bring Manhattan into the main DC or Marvelverse and he isnt that amazing.

He is just Captain Atom on steroids.....not Monarch Levels, just Captain Atom.


But i must post again
The Sentry/Void merged and not willing to die = Truely Cheap!
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sleepykyo said:
Cheap enough in that Batman and Superman v. Darkseid cartoon. Started off good (trying really hard to ignore how Batman is capable of taking as much abuse as he does), but then it goes back to the usual problem with Darkseid v. Superman, it basically degenerates into Superman getting pounded then Darkseid gets pounded, then Superman gets pounded. Felt like watching Dragonball or Bleach where character just spontaneously level up. Batman's threat and Darkseid's reason for believing it were pretty good though.

Should Wolverine even be capable of cutting up Hulk though? Even if adamantium is unbreakable we're talking about applying enough force to break skin that can resist 60(?) tons of force. It was even mentioned in that Future Imperfect storyline that Cap's vibrantium shield is lethal against the Hulk but Cap just isn't strong enough.

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THis made the Hulk bleed although briefly.
I never read this issue but:

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revolverjgw said:
I used to love those Marvel Universe guidebook series' with profiles of every Marvel character. In-depth analysis of their history, powers, physical fitness, intelligence, etc. Do they still do those? I'd love to read the latest versions.

But the ones I had were from the late 80s, early 90s. Given how convoluted everything has gotten with alternate universes and everything, it seems like you could devote 10 pages of text to even a basic summary of the history of a character like Spiderman...

I guess I could just use Wikipedia for this purpose, but I'd love to have a huge encyclopedia of this shit on the coffee table...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1405344350/

I ain't read it but it's 400 pages.
 
GreekWolf said:
This is Secret Wars we're talking about. Rogue was still a teenie-bopper, had limited knowledge of her capabilities, and wasn't quite certain if she actually wanted to be part of the team. She got clocked by almost everyone in that series.

80's Spider-Man was either ridiculously amazing or just plain ridiculous, depending on perspective. During that era, he whipped Hulk, Titania, Deathstroke, the entire X-Men team, Electro multiple times and even body-slammed Dr. Doom.

Isn't Deathstroke a DC character?
 
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