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[Averon]

Isn't Iceman considered to be an Alpha Level mutant now?

I think the term is Omega level mutant. And, yes, he is. Other potential omega level mutants are Storm, Magneto, and Gambit.

 

[Escape Goat]

lol...in the 80ties a sentinel burned all the flesh off his bones..and he regenerated. ..and that was the 80ties...you dotn even wanna know how good his healing factor is now.

They really scaled Wolverine's healing factory back recently. He's still tough to kill but a really heavy beating will take a lot out of him.

 

[SpacedCadette]

lol...in the 80ties a sentinel burned all the flesh off his bones..and he regenerated. ..and that was the 80ties...you dotn even wanna know how good his healing factor is now.

I knew I wasn't crazy thinking he had to have his skeleton to regenerate from. If he regenerates out of thin air in current stuff I'm gonna flip my shit.

I think the term is Omega level mutant. And, yes, he is. Other potential omega level mutants are Storm, Magneto, and Gambit.

Omega is higher than Alpha last I knew. I didn't think he'd hit Omega yet, damn.

 

[Gr1mLock]

well if we're going down that route why not bring up magneto...i mean apparently these days he can open wormholes in space?..can control electromagnetism on an atomic level. And his personal force field can just 'shut out' matter. If inclined he could just turn someone into a loose pile of atoms.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Marvel writers need to take a cue from Doctor Who. Logan should be able to regenerate, sure, but he shouldn't be near invincible. Surely the ol' 'stab the brain to win' tactic still works?

 

[SpacedCadette]

well if we're going down that route why not bring up magneto...i mean apparently these days he can open wormholes in space?..can control electromagnetism on an atomic level. And his personal force field can just 'shut out' matter. If inclined he could just turn someone into a loose pile of atoms.

Over powered superheroes really kill my buzz... but I'll always have a special place in my heart for Magneto... no matter how fucked up his power level gets <3

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Jesus Christ, no wonder they made Sentry.

It's like a contest to who can out BS powers by making the most BS powered character of them all!

 

[Chamber]

lol

Did no one read X-Men Forever? Iceman and Jean were the first confirmed Omega level mutants. That's really where the term gained prominence.

Over powered superheroes really kill my buzz... but I'll always have a special place in my heart for Magneto... no matter how fucked up his power level gets <3

You can't be overpowered when so many people are more powerful than you.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Over powered superheroes really kill my buzz... but I'll always have a special place in my heart for Magneto... no matter how fucked up his power level gets <3

i would have magneto's jewish children.

 

[SUPREME1]

Gambit is Omega level?



Someone please explain.

 

[Kinyou]

Jesus Christ, no wonder they made Sentry.

It's like a contest to who can out BS powers by making the most BS powered character of them all!

Let's make our own then:

Gaf-man! He can kill everyone and everything.

done.

 

[SUPREME1]

Let's make our own then:

Gaf-man! He can kill everyone and everything.

done.

But can he bring them back to life?


GAF-Man is suxxors.

 

[SpacedCadette]

lol

Did no one read X-Men Forever? Iceman and Jean were the first confirmed Omega level mutants. That's really where the term gained prominence.

So much shit to keep track of @.@

 

[Chamber]

Let's make our own then:

Gaf-man! He can kill everyone and everything.

done.

His name is The Saint of Killers and he already exists.

 

[The Technomancer]

Honestly after reading this thread I am of the opinion that super-hero stories can be cool but that over the past few decades both Marvel and DC have gone batshit insane. I'd like to see superhero comics rebooted, and not in the way the major franchises are every ten years but completely and totally. Brand new cast of heros, reasonable restrictions on powers and power levels, and an understanding that you can't always milk the same character for eighty years.

 

[Chamber]

This stuff sounds like a lot more ridiculous when you take their powers out of context and list them on a message board.

 

[Wellington]

Gambit is Omega level?



Someone please explain.

Not according to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Omega-level_mutants

 

[Gr1mLock]

Honestly after reading this thread I am of the opinion that super-hero stories can be cool but that over the past few decades both Marvel and DC have gone batshit insane. I'd like to see superhero comics rebooted, and not in the way the major franchises are every ten years but completely and totally. Brand new cast of heros, reasonable restrictions on powers and power levels, and an understanding that you can't always milk the same character for eighty years.

You should read 'the boys'.

 

[Kinyou]

His name is The Saint of Killers and he already exists.

*reads through wikipedia*

Dead guy in hell, yadda yadda yadda, gets guns that never miss and kill everything, yadda yadda, kills Devil for insulting him

oh... :/

 

[Chamber]

*reads through wikipedia*

Dead guy in hell, yadda yadda yadda, gets guns that never miss and kill everything, yadda yadda, kills Devil for insulting him

oh... :/

Listen, Preacher is one of the very best comics you could ever read. That's what I mean when I say there's a problem with just reading wiki descriptions. You're not getting the story and the context.

 

[SpacedCadette]

Honestly after reading this thread I am of the opinion that super-hero stories can be cool but that over the past few decades both Marvel and DC have gone batshit insane. I'd like to see superhero comics rebooted, and not in the way the major franchises are every ten years but completely and totally. Brand new cast of heros, reasonable restrictions on powers and power levels, and an understanding that you can't always milk the same character for eighty years.

They'd never get rid of the current big names. Nerds would riot.

 

[MC Safety]

It's sad comic characters only progress through powers and costumes.

Spider-Man had evolved quite a bit as a character, progressing through high school and college, getting married and separated and finally making it work with his wife ...

...before some lame comic dude came up with the deal with the devil storyline that reverted him back to his bachelor days. Because you can't tell good Spider-Man stories unless Peter Parker is a never-can-win single guy on the prowl.

 

[Narag]

Listen, Preacher is one of the very best comics you could ever read. That's what I mean when I say there's a problem with just reading wiki descriptions. You're not getting the story and the context.

Seconded. Preacher is great and the Saint of Killers is 100% badass.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Pffftt! Preacher's god is sure a pushover. Having a character powerful enough to kill everyone even angels and god.

Got nothing on Marvel U's space gods let alone The One Above All Jack Kirby!

 

[Narag]

Pffftt! Preacher's god is sure a pushover. Having a character powerful enough to kill everyone even angels and god.

Got nothing on Marvel U's space gods let alone The One Above All Jack Kirby!

Isn't that because that God abdicated his power and abandoned creation or some such?

 

[Gr1mLock]

Ennis and dillon are on the same level as moore and gibbons in my book. Preacher was great

 

[Zekes!]

Not according to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Omega-level_mutants

I thought I remember reading that if he had reached the full potential of his power he could control/become energy or something?

 

[OmniGamer]

Btw someone in the thread earlier asked about Storm going apeshit(paraphrasing of course)...there's an issue in the 80s where Doctor Doom tries to imprison Storm in a sort of living statue state...Storm being claustrophobic and all wasn't having it, and threw a fit to the tune of conjuring up an hemisphere-wide hurricane

Another time, after several of the X-Men had been impregnated by The Brood, Storm was desperate to destroy the embryo, and herself if need be, rather than be "possessed"...so she, um...channels an entire Galactic Core through her body...killing the embryo and herself(but of course she was ressurected by some alien thingy called the Acanti)

Claremont loves his powerful X-Women(and so do I!)

 

[Chamber]

I thought I remember reading that if he had reached the full potential of his power he could control/become energy or something?

The problem with the Omega/Alpha/Beta designations is that there's no real definition of what each category means. Guys like Magneto, Xavier and Gambit have radical powers but they're still listed as Alpha.

 

[OmniGamer]

The problem with the Omega/Alpha/Beta designations is that there's no real definition of what each category means. Guys like Magneto, Xavier and Gambit have radical powers but they're still listed as Alpha.

The proper(AFAIK) definition is one who has UNLIMITED POTENTIAL in the use of their abilities...it's not really supposed to be an outright power gauge(though obviously it's a huge factor)....it's basically one who can potentially evolve past being a mutant, into one of the primal forces of the universe.

Magneto for instance....extremely powerful, but he's limited(AFAIK, haven't kept up since the early '00s) by his physicality...his power can burn him out...whereas someone like Iceman can exist outside of his physical form...and Jean Grey, well...death only empowers her further

 

[Boogiepop]

well if we're going down that route why not bring up magneto...i mean apparently these days he can open wormholes in space?..can control electromagnetism on an atomic level. And his personal force field can just 'shut out' matter. If inclined he could just turn someone into a loose pile of atoms.

Heh, he's plenty absurd in classic, even if he's not THAT absurd (Magnetism allows me to tell where you are before YOU know, Nightcrawler, lol), and it seems like they don't even care to explain it the further back you go. I'm pretty sure in one of the older stories Magneto pretty much just goes "Magnetism" at Iceman or someone and it's just flat-out hurting him, no explanation.
Edit: Also, people were discussing crossovers and the like a few pages back. As an aside, do any of those (or Amalgam) hold up properly and are properly available? Looking for a gift for a comic book loving friend, and those seem like a pretty awesome choice, assuming they don't flat out suck.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

Gawd damn @ Storm.

 

[G-Fex]

Storm is sexy

 

[sn00zer]

Today I learned there are a shit ton of characters with limitless powers

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Lost in all of this is that the Planet Hulk series is really, really good. It's like Conan in space, filled with wholesale slaughter of innocents, gladiator combat, and oaths of revenge.

 

[Chamber]

The proper(AFAIK) definition is one who has UNLIMITED POTENTIAL in the use of their abilities...it's not really supposed to be an outright power gauge(though obviously it's a huge factor)....it's basically one who can potentially evolve past being a mutant, into one of the primal forces of the universe.

Magneto for instance....extremely powerful, but he's limited(AFAIK, haven't kept up since the early '00s) by his physicality...his power can burn him out...whereas someone like Iceman can exist outside of his physical form...and Jean Grey, well...death only empowers her further

Aren't there Omega level mutants who are bound by a physical form though? I don't see what makes Vulcan fit the description but someone like Gambit not.

 

[HiResDes]

Yeah the Marvel Ratings are ridiculous, for example Doctor Strange has merely a 4 or 5 in intelligence...WTF?

 

[Acerac]

What has Gambit done that would put him in that league?

It seems like quite a jump from when he was introduced.

<-Ignorant but curious about comics.

 

[Escape Goat]

lol

Did no one read X-Men Forever? Iceman and Jean were the first confirmed Omega level mutants. That's really where the term gained prominence.


You can't be overpowered when so many people are more powerful than you.

X-Men Forever wasn't in continuity.

 

[favouriteflavour]

Did no one read X-Men Forever?

Hopefully they read good comics instead!

 

[Chamber]

X-Men Forever wasn't in continuity.

Regardless, Jean and Bobby being omega level mutants is in continuity.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Ennis and dillon are on the same level as moore and gibbons in my book. Preacher was great

Their first Punisher run was amazing as well.

 

[OmniGamer]

Aren't there Omega level mutants who are bound by a physical form though? I don't see what makes Vulcan fit the description but someone like Gambit not.

It's not set in stone i guess, it's just a loose association. My knowledge of the term comes from before Vulcan was introduced, and like most comic things, different writers love to put their own stamp on what was introduced prior. However from his wiki description, there's still be potential to not be bound by his physical form

When not in possession of Darwin's powers, Vulcan's body is as vulnerable as any normal human as far as durability is concerned. Blows from Black Bolt were shown to be capable of drawing blood and chipping teeth,[19] and even when battling the X-Men, Vulcan was shown to be susceptible to physical blows. However, Vulcan can use his energy abilities to create force fields or to rebuild damaged/destroyed portions of his body, the total extent of which is unknown, as Vulcan still required a prosthetic eye after a strike from Gladiator.

Again, Jean and Iceman were described as Omega mutants by Professor X during their TEENS, when neither one was anywhere near that potential. So it's not a term about a mutant's present level or abilities, but what they can potentially ascend to.

 

[El'Kharn]

Isn't that because that God abdicated his power and abandoned creation or some such?

Looks badass.

 

[RSTEIN]

If I recall the reason why Ice Man is an Omega level mutant is because he actually creates water/ice. He doesn't just manipulate water or ice. Storm can only manipulate weather. Ice Man has been classified as Omega for a while which is funny because he has always been in the background as far as the X-Men goes.

 

[karasu]

Magneto rules. I remember when a bunch of scientists agreed that magneto would be the most powerful guy of all because electromagnetism is involved in everything that we do and is one of the four fundemental forces of the universe.

Iceman will never reach his potential. I remember when the White Queen took over his body in the 90's she was doing all sorts of jazz that he's never considered.

 

[OmniGamer]

If I recall the reason why Ice Man is an Omega level mutant is because he actually creates water/ice. He doesn't just manipulate water or ice. Storm can only manipulate weather. Ice Man has been classified as Omega for a while which is funny because he has always been in the background as far as the X-Men goes.

Storm more accurately is an energy manipulator, but is obviously most manifested as weather control, but she can also manipulate solar wind(charged particles), that galactic core stunt, and, during the whole Illyana/Belasco/Limbo story, that version of herself was able to channel magical energies, after her traditional weather powers waned.

 

[OmniGamer]

What has Gambit done that would put him in that league?

It seems like quite a jump from when he was introduced.

<-Ignorant but curious about comics.

Long story short, Mr. Sinister nerfed him, but this is his true potential (an alternate version of him sans the nerfing) as New Son/Sun

Appearing in the 1999 Gambit mini-series, Gambit is called New Son (Sun) (X-Cutioner II) in Earth-9923 reality. In his own reality, the New Sun's kinetic charging powers had flared out of control, burning the world and killing everyone. As a result, the New Sun hunted down and killed versions of himself in other realities to ensure that they would not repeat his mistakes. New Sun is not limited to inorganic matter and can convert matter into energy at a sub-molecular level so it vaporizes or explodes. He also has the ability to time travel, can propel himself by a wave-like aura and can transplant matter through time and space, as well as being able to biokinetically augment his strength, speed, endurance, and reflexes.

In this reality, New Sun was never adopted by the Thieves Guild, so his real name is not "Remy LeBeau". New Sun was raised with his full power and intended to become the fulfillment of an ancient Guild prophecy to create Heaven on Earth. However, things went wrong when he charged up his power in a special ritual—a chain reaction was started that caused everyone on Earth beside himself to burn up. Failing to remake time, the New Sun traveled to other universes, hoping to prevent the same thing from happening there. However, he found many worlds in ruins, often because of that world’s version of Gambit. Coming to the main Marvel Universe (616), he first attempted to create a new world where everyone would eventually be transported to, using the main reality’s Gambit to help (without revealing to him who he truly was). When he learned that his plan wasn’t possible, he tried to kill Gambit, transporting both of them to his destroyed homeworld before Gambit became a threat to the main universe’s Earth world as well. During their final conflict, Gambit finally blasted the New Sun, burning out his recently increased powers, just as the New Sun died. Due to New Sun's immense power, it is speculated that New Sun was an omega-level mutant in his home dimension, and likely mutant alpha on Earth-9923; this, however, cannot be confirmed.

 

[karasu]

When you're used to him throwing playing cards around, that sounds goofy as hell.

 

[Bolt Vanderhuge]

Wonderella, easy. She can jump hella high and everything.

Has spillion powers, even when tied up.

Squirrel Girl? Pffft.

Now cheapest villian is easily Dr. Doom. Tried to skip out on paying Luke Cage $200.