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Shamrock7r said:
I see your "Siege Sentry" and raise you Superman Prime:

Owner of the last Green lantern Ring, Lived in the sun for thousands and thousands of years, bestows powers to every new Superman every generation, traveled to the end of the Universe, re-animated and brought Lois Lane back to life...


and can create invulnerable flowers
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WHAT?

Ive heard about this superman before, but never really bothered reading much about him

What issues/subseries/story arc is this cat from....im pretty sure he isnt main continuity but jsut out of curiosity and so i can try understand what went through his head when he decided to use his vast godlike powers to bring back a single not particularly pretty powerless ape like Lois Lane....and make invulnerable flowers....haha, should be a good read.
 
Regulus Tera said:
Gore like the one posted in this very page is precisely the reason I don't read Marvel or DC.
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Go back to ponies!

Freshmaker said:
Living Tribunal for example generally does jack shit. Other cosmic entities whine to him and then he says "They're not breaking universal law. You're on your own" Then he flies away.
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I love it when guys like Galactus complain to him, saying someone else is nearing their level.
 
Black_Stride said:
WHAT?

Ive heard about this superman before, but never really bothered reading much about him

What issues/subseries/story arc is this cat from....im pretty sure he isnt main continuity but jsut out of curiosity and so i can try understand what went through his head when he decided to use his vast godlike powers to bring back a single not particularly pretty powerless ape like Lois Lane....and make invulnerable flowers....haha, should be a good read.
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He hasn't appeared much. There was an awesome miniseries called DC 1 Million during Grant Morrison's run that introduces him. He appears mostly in that, All Star Superman, and maybe a couple of other comics.

Essentially, he is the original Superman, Kal El. He outlives all of his earth companions, including Lois Lane, gets depressed and leaves Earth, leaving what can be assumed his son or descendant of some sort, Superman Secondus in charge. Centuries later he comes back seemingly already God like. He looks the same but with white glowing eyes.

He decides to live in the sun for hundreds of centuries. Every new generation of Superman born travels to the Sun and Superman Prime emerges and grants them powers.

In DC 1 million, the whole story is that Superman Prime has decided to emerge permanently from the Sun, and some evil man made Sun, the villain of the whole miniseries, Solaris, is trying to plan his assasination, and the current generation of heroes are trying to prevent it.

It doesn't mean much though, as when he emerges from the sun he destroys Soloaris in one panel with the last Green Lantern Ring.

Then it shows him re-animating Lois Lane and creating a new Krypton. I think there was an Atom comic where he appeared and talked about how he could warp reality and time.

Here are some links to the final pages of DC 1 Million if you wan to see Superman Prime:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime1.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime2.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime3.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime4.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime5.jpg
 
Shamrock7r said:
He hasn't appeared much. There was an awesome miniseries called DC 1 Million during Grant Morrison's run that introduces him. He appears mostly in that, All Star Superman, and maybe a couple of other comics.

Essentially, he is the original Superman, Kal El. He outlives all of his earth companions, including Lois Lane, gets depressed and leaves Earth, leaving what can be assumed his son or descendant of some sort, Superman Secondus in charge. Centuries later he comes back seemingly already God like. He looks the same but with white glowing eyes.

He decides to live in the sun for hundreds of centuries. Every new generation of Superman born travels to the Sun and Superman Prime emerges and grants them powers.

In DC 1 million, the whole story is that Superman Prime has decided to emerge permanently from the Sun, and some evil man made Sun, the villain of the whole miniseries, Solaris, is trying to plan his assasination, and the current generation of heroes are trying to prevent it.

It doesn't mean much though, as when he emerges from the sun he destroys Soloaris in one panel with the last Green Lantern Ring.

Then it shows him re-animating Lois Lane and creating a new Krypton. I think there was an Atom comic where he appeared and talked about how he could warp reality and time.

Here are some links to the final pages of DC 1 Million if you wan to see Superman Prime:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime1.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime2.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime3.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime4.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime5.jpg
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So... are all Kryptonians immortal, or just Superman?
 
The Sentry cannot be defeated unless he chooses to die. His power is infinite. Technically it's the power of a million exploding suns and counting. He can change reality on a molecular level. He has died and come back to life automatically and with zero effort on several occasions. No idea if the Sentry could beat Superman Prime, but the best outcome Supes could hope for is a stalemate.

On top of that, the Sentry's power is infinite and he has genius level intellect. That's not really shown off towards the end of his career, but he's on a par with Reed Richards. If I had to, I'd bet on him in a fight against...everything.

As for Ares, this is why he's awesome:

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Ares equips his elite Shade squad:



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"Brook no insults."



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Ares is the biggest try hard ever. He was the avengers equivalent of the xmen cartoon wolvie. He'd be the first one to rush an enemy and the first one to get smacked clear across the city. Also..when did sentry die?..and how?
 
Gr1mLock said:
Ares is the biggest try hard ever. He was the avengers equivalent of the xmen cartoon wolvie. He'd be the first one to rush an enemy and the first one to get smacked clear across the city.
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...Which is why he's awesome.

Gr1mLock said:
Also..when did sentry die?..and how?
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He died at the end of Siege. It was bullshit. His dark half - the Void - takes over. So Tony Stark drops a helicarrier on him. Apparently this allows the Sentry to regain control, and he tells Thor to kill him. Then the Void takes over again and reappears all powered up. Thor fires off a lightning bolt which inexplicably reduces the Void to Bob Reynolds' skeleton, and he then tosses the bones into the sun. The reader is left to assume that Bob's desire to die somehow gave him the strength to allow himself to be killed.

Never mind that Bob tried to kill himself by flying into the sun in the past; and has been physically destroyed several times only to come back in the blink of an eye. Even if you buy that Bob wanted to die, the Void would only need the slightest bit of control over the slightest bit of Sentry-related matter/energy/whatever to reincarnate him.

I get that the writers wanted to kill off the Sentry/Void as an epic climax to Dark Reign/Siege. I can live with that. But they could have done a much better job, and treated the problem of destroying the undestroyable with the respect it deserves.
 
So going by deductive reasoning and aggressive nerd assumptions i now declare Thor to be the most powerful being in the marvel universe.
 
Gr1mLock said:
So going by deductive reasoning and aggressive nerd assumptions i now declare Thor to be the most powerful superhero in the marvel universe.
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Fixed and agreed.
 
My plan is to read dark avengers after I'm done with Astonishing x-men, but after all this shit I read about Sentry I changed my mind. I hate this super uber godly superheroes that can destroy and create universe. Marvel should do away with those characters, they are so friggin cheap. And lol at superman living in the sun, so this is what happens when you sunbathe too much your skin turns to gold.
 
I'm kind of interested in the psychological aspect of it all. What goes on in a person who creates a being in his fantasy that he declares "invincible"? In what kind of state of mind do you have to be to have the desire for such over the top strength? What does it compensate for?
And what about the people who make these characters successful? Who goes out and buys the story of an invincible super-being he knows won't be defeated? I cannot help but to think it's people with severe shortcomings who want to hulk it out.
Looking back I only had a few comics, mostly Spider-Man. I liked his speed and ability to evade things in a kind of rigid world. He also hung around alone which I think must had an effect on me. Other than that I grew tired of the status quo world everything consisted of.
 
Capitan Futuro said:
I'm kind of interested in the psychological aspect of it all. What goes on in a person who creates a being in his fantasy that he declares "invincible"? In what kind of state of mind do you have to be to have the desire for such over the top strength? What does it compensate for?
And what about the people who make these characters successful? Who goes out and buys the story of an invincible super-being he knows won't be defeated? I cannot help but to think it's people with severe shortcomings who want to hulk it out.
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These characters are defeated. They are not invincible.
 
karasu said:
These characters are defeated. They are not invincible.
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It's not the invincibility aspect. It's the whole I'm-stronger-than-you! aspect that is so over the top. And yes, sometimes they admit defeat by getting "killed" - only to be resurrected and continuened in the next issue like in a child's play.
 
OmniGamer said:
No body liked my Iceman scans :-(
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I did, especially since the Emma issue was one of the last in which we saw Bobby do anything interesting. That was when I became an Iceman fan.

Is he even doing anything these days?
 
ReiGun said:
Carnage is what happens when someone says "Hey, ya know that Venom character we have that all the kids like? Let's do that again, but moar XTREME!!" And then the end result is totally stupid.
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And Vengeance?


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Alright, this thread should be renamed to "Super heroes (or villains) and their crazy shit". I used to watch a lot of the shows for stuff, but I never got to read much of the comics. Maybe I'll get into it
 
Puddles said:
Bullshit if true.
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If you have doubts, you need to read more of Thor and The Avengers stuff.
Thor and Herald Silver Surfer are considered the two strongest superheroes in Marvel...and the fact that Thor has bested The Silver Surfer puts him on top in most peoples books.

Which current Marvel hero do you think would actually best Thor?

Note. The Sentry is gone so he doesnt count anymore.
 
Black_Stride said:
If you have doubts, you need to read more of Thor and The Avengers stuff.
Thor and Herald Silver Surfer are considered the two strongest superheroes in Marvel...and the fact that Thor has bested The Silver Surfer puts him on top in most peoples books.

Which current Marvel hero do you think would actually best Thor?

Note. The Sentry is gone so he doesnt count anymore.
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I've always thought Thor was the absolute most boring character in all of comic-dom. He is top end strength, ability, fighting technique and really shouldn't face much of any trouble in any conflict... he's a god for fucks sake. His strength was always on par with Hulk when Marvel used to do the old timey trading cards that had the strength scale. (I always laughed that Aunt May was the weakest character on it)
 
@Black_Stride

Cool, I get what you're saying.

@Shamrock7r

The thing with SMP though is even though I'm sure he's absurdly strong after being in the Sun for so long, they didn't give him much of a showing, so we can only speculate on how strong he is.
 
Wellington said:
I've always thought Thor was the absolute most boring character in all of comic-dom. He is top end strength, ability, fighting technique and really shouldn't face much of any trouble in any conflict... he's a god for fucks sake. His strength was always on par with Hulk when Marvel used to do the old timey trading cards that had the strength scale. (I always laughed that Aunt May was the weakest character on it)
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Thor is Marvel's Superman, really.

In theory, things like psychic powers could take him down--he's still got a brain.

Does he still have the hammer weakness? Deprive him of that and he'll soon suffer.
 
jaxword said:
Thor is Marvel's Superman, really.

In theory, things like psychic powers could take him down--he's still got a brain.

Does he still have the hammer weakness? Deprive him of that and he'll soon suffer.
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I've not seen him affected by psionic powers. He's not extra vulnerable to magic like Supes is tho.
 
How is Thor the most powerful? Hasn't the Hulk beaten him countless time. I mean h ebeats him with silly shit like slamming his face into the concrete.
Slayven said:
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Please Post the next page!
 
karasu said:
How is Thor the most powerful? Hasn't the Hulk beaten him countless time. I mean h ebeats him with silly shit like slamming his face into the concrete.


Please Post the next page!
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Not sure if there is a page missing in between:
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And for awesome geekiness:
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karasu said:
How is Thor the most powerful? Hasn't the Hulk beaten him countless time. I mean h ebeats him with silly shit like slamming his face into the concrete.


Please Post the next page!
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Larsen did an awesome annual years back. Just a big fight between Thor and the hulk. I think it outright says towers the end that Thor is more powerful but the hulk is stronger. I wish I'd never lost that.
 
sturmdogg said:
So...how did the Enterprise end up in the Marvel Universe? link?
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If you want even more crazy star trek marvel crossover check this shit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_X_(Star_Trek)

It's a novel that is a sequel to a one-shot comic http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Second_Contact

Second Contact apparently makes some references to the crossover with the original Star Trek crew (just posted in this thread) http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_TreX

Basically Proteus and Gary Mitchell draw the 2 realities together just cuz they crazy.
 
DC continuity makes my brain bleed. I remember the big thing when I was growing up was Crisis on Infinite Earths...and from what I've read, they've been spending the last couple of decades continuously "cleaning up" the continuity, which from my now-outsider perspective, seems to have just made it worse!

Superman Prime, WTH?
 
U n i o n 0015 said:
DC continuity makes my brain bleed. I remember the big thing when I was growing up was Crisis on Infinite Earths...and from what I've read, they've been spending the last couple of decades continuously "cleaning up" the continuity, which from my now-outsider perspective, seems to have just made it worse!

Superman Prime, WTH?
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Yeah the continuity and retcon things are pretty stupid, but it is what it is.

Superman Prime is the Superman we know thousands of years into the future who has spent thousands of years in the Sun. But he's decided to make an appearance in the future, so the heroes of the One Million universe go back to the past (the current timeline that we know) to take current Superheroes (Superman included) the go the future to celebrate SMP's return.

Hope I made your brain bleed just a little more :P
 
I like DC's metafictional universe, how whenever they want to reboot something or change something they have to also explain it within the DC universe. It's totally crazy and doesn't make much sense if you take the DC universe straight, but as a universe-that-is-a-comic-book-and-knows-it, its kinda neat. You just have to accept that some of the crazy stuff happens because it is a comic book universe and not a real universe. It explains the continunity the only way it can really be explained.

Although I admit I don't really read much of it that isn't written by Grant Morrison.
 
Chamber said:
And Bobby is an Omega level mutant. Period. It's not something that downgrades.
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it might as well be. when you give characters powers like that, and then never allow them to use them, they've become pretty downgraded.
 
Shamrock7r said:
He hasn't appeared much. There was an awesome miniseries called DC 1 Million during Grant Morrison's run that introduces him. He appears mostly in that, All Star Superman, and maybe a couple of other comics.

Essentially, he is the original Superman, Kal El. He outlives all of his earth companions, including Lois Lane, gets depressed and leaves Earth, leaving what can be assumed his son or descendant of some sort, Superman Secondus in charge. Centuries later he comes back seemingly already God like. He looks the same but with white glowing eyes.

He decides to live in the sun for hundreds of centuries. Every new generation of Superman born travels to the Sun and Superman Prime emerges and grants them powers.

In DC 1 million, the whole story is that Superman Prime has decided to emerge permanently from the Sun, and some evil man made Sun, the villain of the whole miniseries, Solaris, is trying to plan his assasination, and the current generation of heroes are trying to prevent it.

It doesn't mean much though, as when he emerges from the sun he destroys Soloaris in one panel with the last Green Lantern Ring.

Then it shows him re-animating Lois Lane and creating a new Krypton. I think there was an Atom comic where he appeared and talked about how he could warp reality and time.

Here are some links to the final pages of DC 1 Million if you wan to see Superman Prime:

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime1.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime2.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime3.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime4.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i20/panthergod/Superman/DC1Million-SupermanPrime5.jpg
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What the fuck is this shit. Of all the stuff in this thread, this is the worse.
 
Well, these writers are just insane. I think I'd prefer it if characters only had one power. Why can't Flash just run fast. Why does he have to time travel or control molecules or travel into other dimensions? I'm thinking simple stuff like Cyclops eye beams would be enough. I looked up Cyclops on Wikipedia and his abilities list is simply:
Optic energy beams

Intuitive spatial geometry
Energy resistance

Master martial artist
Skilled leader and strategist
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Then I looked up his little brother Vulcan whose abilities list consists of:
Vast energy absorption, manipulation, transformation and projection powers enable: flight, forcefield projection and manipulation, solid energy constructs, life support and limited regeneration, variable energy blasts, limited super power replication and repression, energy siphon and disruption, psionic resistance and multiple other abilities
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I don't even know what half of that stuff is. Also what the heck is "Intuitive spatial geometry?"
 
karasu said:
How is Thor the most powerful? Hasn't the Hulk beaten him countless time. I mean h ebeats him with silly shit like slamming his face into the concrete.
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Thor inherited the Odinforce and had apparently been holding back on earth for years before that. (He tore Iron Man apart, took down Red Hulk and would've killed him had Hulk not intervened etc.) Current version of Thor is near the top of the scale.
 
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