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Puddles said:
This is disqualified from comparison by virtue of being completely fucking retarded.
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And Dragonball isn't? People were laughing at my picks, and I'm listing feats that nobody in DBZ can come close to.
 
Isn't DS from Bastard! supposed to be really gdlk? It's been a while since I saw that show. He was crazy, crazy, crazy broken. Like, Onslaught type broken.

Namor has to be the biggest asshole Super Hero outside of Stark. This dude is crazy.
 
karasu said:
I don't understand why people always bring up DBZ. Destroying a planet is almost like a specific power there, not a scale. Everything they do isn't on that scale. Their fighting, strength, general energy projection, aren't anywhere near the scale. The animation is just really dynamic. When vegeta came to earth, he could blow up a planet, but he could also be cut by a simple ass katana.
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Raditz who was sub 2000 power level dodged an attack that traveled at the speed of light from maybe 50 ft away. This means he'd have to be capable of moving at 99.999% of the speed of light. Gogeta SSJ4 has a power level of 1.5 billion.
 
Let's get back to comics and away from manga/anime.
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The only thing that limited Goku's (and other DBZ characters) power was the incapacity of the animators to come up with more and bigger fireworks to represent the battles in the later parts of the anime.

In any other universe goku would be far more powerful than in DBZ. There are huge loopholes in the laws of DBZ world.

For instance:

- He is powerful enough to be able to hand pick the God of the humans from one of his protégés.

- The above-all deities of the universe consider him an equal, one even granted Goku his life. Dead is irrelevant to him at the end of the series he just have to ask a favor to God.

-He can travel through diferent realms/planes/universes at will. His physical state is irrelevant. he just accept his dead for politeness.

- (And by the logic of DBZ) His power comes from skill alone, so he can become stronger if he keeps training. If stronger adversaries apperas he just need to do train more to defeat them, (or die in the process and revive stronger than them).
 
Remember when Flash used to be just really fast?

Now we got a guy that can ejaculate on you at light speed and through time itself exploding you with it's inertia force.
 
PounchEnvy said:
As far as I'm concerned, those Digimon descriptions are exaggerated. ZeedMillenniummon was taken down by a kid. Goku could do so much more. Plus it's not even real. It's made of computer stuffs.
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The only real notable thing about Zeed aside from being defeated via forced DNA Evolution, was that he literally couldn't be killed because his whole control over space/time/whatever.

But yeah, most Digimon descriptions are so vague, it's kind of stupid and makes it too hard to determine the true extent of their abilities.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Remember when Flash used to be just really fast?

Now we got a guy that can ejaculate on you at light speed and through time itself exploding you with it's inertia force.
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And impregnate your wife. He has a legacy to maintain, after all.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
He has already impregnated all of our wives and future wives/anime-girl body pillows..
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While you were blinking, he went to the future and impregnated your son's wife too.

Got damn. Got damn....
 
One thing that's always bugged me.

How hard could someone really be punched before their head would just pop off? A guy getting hit with an infinite mass punch would really just vaporize wouldn't he?
 
i only said Gundam because it represents the most battle hardened and most powerful representation of a universe from eastern manga.
No pokemons and yu-gi-ohs or digimon are allowed. they do not represent a conceivable scenario, otherwise we might as well bring in Sonic with all the choas emeralds and it is just ridiculous.

according to wiki, Gundanium only has a weakness to beam cannons. But, to compensate that it also has a back-up shielding.
It does, however, create an "anti-field" that repels beam attacks
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on top of the gundanium alloy, the GUndam is also able to create an anti-matter field that can concievably deflect the full strength punch from Hulk. This goes to prove my original argument of impenetrable defenses.
Not to mention there isn't a weapon in the Gundam universe that could defeat the Hulk, at least before he destroyed it.
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yet you forgot about the Gundanium Alloy being the prime factor. Gundam's beam weapon are comprised of the alloy, and are then able to generate a heat melting point at a level surpassing all other possibilities.
Finally speed is also key. Gundanium alloy is mush lighter than titanium.
 
bangai-o said:
according to wiki, Gundanium only has a weakness to beam cannons. But, to compensate that it also has a back-up shielding. on top of the gundanium alloy, the GUndam is also able to create an anti-matter field that can concievably deflect the full strength punch from Hulk.
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It's already been mentioned that Hulk has held matter and anti matter apart. He's apparently immune.

Also the spirit bomb only hurts evil people so the Hulk wouldn't suffer a scratch from Goku's ultimate attack.
 
Freshmaker said:
One thing that's always bugged me.

How hard could someone really be punched before their head would just pop off? A guy getting hit with an infinite mass punch would really just vaporize wouldn't he?
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During his 90's solo series Nova killed a smalltime supercrook because he hadn't realized how much his strength had been enhanced. Dude was made of diamond and Nova shattered him accidentally. Lucky it was during a teamup with Captain America, and Cap vouched for him.
 
Freshmaker said:
One thing that's always bugged me.

How hard could someone really be punched before their head would just pop off? A guy getting hit with an infinite mass punch would really just vaporize wouldn't he?
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And what about the compression/friction there. Wouldn't a punch at the speed of light generate an explosion as big as a nuke, or bigger?

Oh, and lifting big/huge objects - the superhero might be strong enough to lift it with his hands, but these structures that are held up should be crumbling.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
Cell is immune to gunfire, tanks etc and he isn't even close to the most powerful character in teh series. They move so fast cameras and the human eye can't keep up with them, they teleport across interplanetary distances, etc. I don't know how they rank against all superheroes, but they are damn fucking powerful. Planetary destruction requires stupendous amounts of energy (see: death star calcs).
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Characters like beta ray bill, superman, the hulk,are invulnerable and they destroy planets with big ass punches. you can't apply dbz language(power levels, energy sensing, etc) to their world.its senseless.
 
msv said:
And what about the compression/friction there. Wouldn't a punch at the speed of light generate an explosion as big as a nuke, or bigger?

Oh, and lifting big/huge objects - the superhero might be strong enough to lift it with his hands, but these structures that are held up should be crumbling.
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Yep because of the velocity of said punch, it should be able to hurt even someone like Superman.
 
msv said:
And what about the compression/friction there. Wouldn't a punch at the speed of light generate an explosion as big as a nuke, or bigger?
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Flash can control all the atomic motion around the punch so there wouldn't necessarily be friction/compression happening there.

Oh, and lifting big/huge objects - the superhero might be strong enough to lift it with his hands, but these structures that are held up should be crumbling.
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Superman can extend his aura to reinforce structures. Dunno about the others.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
^^^^
WTF?!

LOL
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My favorite part is always "BAM YOUR MOM FELL DOWN THE STAIRS TWENTY YEARS AGO and there’s a dent in your forehead and Superman not thunk so gud no more. Actually she didn’t fall down the stairs the Flash put speed into them so they fell up her!"

I laugh every single time.
 
Freshmaker said:
Flash can control all the atomic motion around the punch so there wouldn't necessarily be friction/compression happening there.

Superman can extend his aura to reinforce structures. Dunno about the others.
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Hmm, hard to figure out which one of these is the cheapest. I'm going with Flash.
 
Jarmel said:
Yep because of the velocity of said punch, it should be able to hurt even someone like Superman.
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Speaking of isn't the Flash actually under multiple Gs of pressure at his higher speeds? They explained the friction in the past, but doesn't Flash have to really strong?
 
Freshmaker said:
Flash can control all the atomic motion around the punch so there wouldn't necessarily be friction/compression happening there.

Superman can extend his aura to reinforce structures. Dunno about the others.
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Superman...aura...to reinforce structures....

...the hell is this?

Man, I liked it when it was just kept simple that Superman was stupidly strong.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Superman...aura...

...the hell is this?

Man, I liked it when it was just kept simple that Superman was stupidly strong.
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Superman in invulnerable because he generates an aura.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Superman...aura...to reinforce structures....

...the hell is this?

Man, I liked it when it was just kept simple that Superman was stupidly strong.
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Thought they used to call it tactile telekinesis so he didn't punch holes through the hulls of shit when lifting planes, boats, space stations etc.
 
Freshmaker said:
Superman in invulnerable because he generates an aura.
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So many powerful heavy hitters didn't need some "aura" to be invulnerable. Doomdays, Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer, etc. Why did they come up with this BS for Superman?


Narag said:
Thought they used to call it tactile telekinesis so he didn't punch holes through the hulls of shit when lifting planes, boats, space stations etc.
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So basically writers had to come up with some sort of comic-book reasoning to counteract physics?
 
Some of these powers are on par with Sephiroth making the sun go supernova by hitting it with a comet that destroys Pluto and Jupiter and having the edge of that supernova come just close enough to your party to hit them (after destroying Mercury and Venus) before receding away so he can use that same attack again later. In a game where the central struggle is an effort to keep Sephiroth from destroying the Earth with a comet. Which I guess is a different comet.

Some of these other powers are on par with your party being able to survive that and just cast Cure 3 afterwards to shrug it off like nothing happened.

Which is to say they make no sense and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
 
Puddles said:
Some of these powers are on par with Sephiroth making the sun go supernova by hitting it with a comet that destroys Pluto and Jupiter and having the edge of that supernova come just close enough to your party to hit them (after destroying Mercury and Venus) before receding away so he can use that same attack again later. In a game where the central struggle is an effort to keep Sephiroth from destroying the Earth with a comet. Which I guess is a different comet.

Some of these other powers are on par with your party being able to survive that and just cast Cure 3 afterwards to shrug it off like nothing happened.

Which is to say they make no sense and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
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Pretending to take them seriously is the fun of it.
 
Puddles said:
Some of these powers are on par with Sephiroth making the sun go supernova by hitting it with a comet that destroys Pluto and Jupiter and having the edge of that supernova come just close enough to your party to hit them (after destroying Mercury and Venus) before receding away so he can use that same attack again later. In a game where the central struggle is an effort to keep Sephiroth from destroying the Earth with a comet. Which I guess is a different comet.

Some of these other powers are on par with your party being able to survive that and just cast Cure 3 afterwards to shrug it off like nothing happened.

Which is to say they make no sense and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
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It's more like Eden turning the planet into a giant magical cannon, firing an enemy into another galaxy, and then blowing that galaxy up; only for them to randomly land right back where they were standing, perfectly intact.
 
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