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GT Goku is not infallible

Make enough bad wishes with the Dragon Balls and Goku will split into 7 weaker forms for some reason :P
 
It was the 90s.

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batman i sooo out of place in many of these superhero teams
all of his teammates have powerfull superhuman/godlike abilities

while hes just a regular human whos good at martial arts + some fancy gadgets
if comics made any sense batman would get smashed by even the lower tier villians like a bug
 
It doesn't have to be a plot hole in order to be cheap as fuck and stupid. Which it very much is.

Not according to GT. Goku is God.

Sorry, it is canon.

Don't see why a technique from a master being taught to the student is cheap and stupid...especially in a series that started on fart jokes.

GT is all BUT canon, especially with Dragonball Online basically being the official continuation of DBZ (Toriyama did it) and it ignores GT altogether.
 

"Adam X, The X-Treme?" oh god. I'm losing my shit here.

and apparently he's STILL AROUND

Fear Itself

Among the over 50 plans Cyclops utilized to try to stop Juggernaut, Adam X was used to ignite Juggernaut's blood. The result was "worse than ineffective" as Juggernaut remained unstoppable, and for 15 minutes, burned anything he touched.

where are the laughing smileys when I need them
 
Gambit is everything that was wrong with the 90s in pretty much in one character. That is an achievement for a non WIldstorm or Image character.

Gambit was a tortured loveable rogue. He was in love with a woman he could never be with. Plus he could pull of pink and look manly.
 
Now I see why I like DD, very little of this super-powered arms race and the focus is on story rather than power-level dick waiving.
 
Gurren Lagann is an exception because its very definition requires it to beat everything.

Batman is just not that strong in the context of DCverse, no matter what his fans may believe.

Fuck that shit. Ttgl may be able to beat galactus(bullshit) but they aren't touching franklin richards.
 
Looking back at the first few pages, I laugh at people how they point at Superman being overpowered while overlooking crap like Wolverine, Deadpool, and the like.

Arguing against TTGL is like admitting to being trolled.

Exactly, only idiots refer to TTGL power base.
 
Fuck that shit. Ttgl may be able to beat galactus(bullshit) but they aren't touching franklin richards.

I'm sorry but did you forget the ending? They were
throwing galaxies around as shurikens
by sheer resolve of will. While both Galactus and Franklin (when he has sufficient control over his powers) can create galaxies I do not see them able to top that. And that's not even going into the even more over the top version shown in the movie.

As said above. If you need to know TTGL's "powerlevel" then it's equal to any opponents + 1. Why? Rule of Cool, that's why.
 

EXTREME! Literally.

Too bad his brothers won't acknowledge him. He is the 3rd Summers.
And nothing of value was lost.
"Adam X, The X-Treme?" oh god. I'm losing my shit here.
and apparently he's STILL AROUND
where are the laughing smileys when I need them


can't stop laughing. He even still has the backwards ball cap and horrible "shoulder blades" that do nothing.

This is clearly the writers trolling the hell out of whoever came up with that guy.

Marvel shitting on Adam X is fucking hilarious

I'll just post the first moment he came back in comics since the 90's for your hilarity. The first time Adam X (aka X-treme!) spoke when he came back was to say this.



Lol. Fucking Fred Durst looking "bro" mutant. In another comic some dude was making little ingestible vials that would give you the power of whatever mutant you wanted and at one point during an exclusive event he was holding that X-men crashed he happily asked the audience to yell who they wanted to be and he heard things like "Cyclops", "Nightcrawler", "Colossus" and then one guy yelled "Adam-x". At this point he said "Really? Look you guys can all be whoever you want, but not Adam-X."

It was a golden moment. Happened sometime during Dark Reign I believe. Also when he used his power to ignite the electrolytes in your blood he had a catchphrase. He would say "Burn!" like that shit people used to say anytime they thought they just said the worlds most clever insult to someone to put them down.
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EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!!!
 
I'm sorry but did you forget the ending? They were
throwing galaxies around as shurikens
by sheer resolve of will. While both Galactus and Franklin (when he has sufficient control over his powers) can create galaxies I do not see them able to top that. And that's not even going into the even more over the top version shown in the movie.

As said above. If you need to know TTGL's "powerlevel" then it's equal to any opponents + 1. Why? Rule of Cool, that's why.

Hence the issue. The only limiter that franklin has is a physical one that reed put on him to keep him from losing his shit. Take it off... and you have the kid making his own STTGL. Only with cap at the helm, and the hulk, spider man dr strange and all of the other power heroes mixed somewhere in it. And create an all powered sentry to keep on a leash while they fight in a pocket universe created just for the occasion. Doing the impossible? Breaking the unbreakable? Franklin did all that shit first.

What is? Honest question, especially when his power is the equivalent of a children's argument.

Ideon is an example of taking your ball and going home when you lose. Only the ball is the universe and all that encompass it. Demonbane makes new rules. The universe explodes? Well then demonbane doesn't get destroyed. The only thing that can destroy it is an elder god, and even then, it resurrects itself. Megas is 60s batman in mecha form. Constantly breaking the 4th wall, buttons appear in the device to suit the needs of the current situation. and i forgot about the getter and the precursor to spiral energy, getter rays.
 
Is there anyway to classify the two god things from Amalgam universe that represented the entire DC/ Marvel universes? Never was very clear on how those things worked. Were the entire contents of Marvel/DC just around due to their will? If thats how they worked then nothing in either Universe could really effect them which would put them on top by technicality.
 
Is there anyway to classify the two god things from Amalgam universe that represented the entire DC/ Marvel universes? Never was very clear on how those things worked. Were the entire contents of Marvel/DC just around due to their will? If thats how they worked then nothing in either Universe could really effect them which would put them on top by technicality.

Other than being the gods of the universes, not much more is known about their power levels.
 
What is? Honest question, especially when his power is the equivalent of a children's argument.

To start with, it is worth pointing out that giant robots are pretty much just superheroes in giant mechanical form. To wit, look at the original piloted super robot, Mazinger Z. It's power-set includes:

-Super Strength
-Invulnerability
-Drawing energy from the Sun
-Eye-beams
-Super breath
-Flight

It is pretty much a 50ft tall, mechanical, Japanese Superman.

On the other hand, the second major super robot, Getter Robo, is pretty much what would happen if someone built a super-robot powered by those crazy cosmic rays that gave the Fantastic Four or the Hulk their super-powers, with a touch of the Green Lantern ring power. Gurren Lagann is really just a big love letter to Getter Robo, using very similar ideas and cosmology.

In short, mechs like Getter Robo and Gurren Lagann can do the crazy things they do for the same reason that the Hulk can destroy continents just by being angry enough, or a Green Lantern can stitch a planet back together just using willpower and imagination. Gurren Lagann isn't as alien to superhero comic sensibilities is you just think of the green glow that surrounds it when it does its crazier stuff as the same kind of green glow that surrounds a Green Lantern. It is a pretty accurate analogy to what Spiral Power is in Gurren Lagann. The Hulk analogy works too, since the Gurren Lagann does pretty much get stronger the angrier its pilot gets.

As for other examples of really powerful Super Robots, a contender pretty much needs to be able to destroy a planet with one of its lesser attacks. Ideon can slice a planet in half with its Ideon sword, and that is before it breaks out its Black Hole Gun or worse. Shin Getter Robo sliced Jupiter in half with an axe, and that was before it evolved into the much, much more powerful Getter Emperor. I heard that Gunbuster and Diebuster have very infamously powerful mecha. Rah-Xephon is pretty much a god who can control time and remakes reality at the end of its show. As mentioned above, Demonbane is supposed to be ridiculously powerful, but as far as I can tell it is pretty much what would happen if someone turned Cthullu into a giant robot or something like that.

The whole "super robot = god" analogy comes up a lot in the genre, so super robots tend to be fairly powerful, at least in the same sense that the "superhero = god" analogy is common in comic books. Just as Superman is commonly compared to Christ, or Thor is an actual superhero, Mazinger Z is explicitly compared to Zeus within its own mythos.
 
Hence the issue. The only limiter that franklin has is a physical one that reed put on him to keep him from losing his shit. Take it off... and you have the kid making his own STTGL. Only with cap at the helm, and the hulk, spider man dr strange and all of the other power heroes mixed somewhere in it. And create an all powered sentry to keep on a leash while they fight in a pocket universe created just for the occasion. Doing the impossible? Breaking the unbreakable? Franklin did all that shit first.

Didn't this happen in TTLG and Simon didn't give a fuck? :lol At the end of the day this discussion is kinda ridiculous. Comparing characters from different universes makes no sense since every character is created in relation to others. It's fun though :)


Ideon is an example of taking your ball and going home when you lose. Only the ball is the universe and all that encompass it. Demonbane makes new rules. The universe explodes? Well then demonbane doesn't get destroyed. The only thing that can destroy it is an elder god, and even then, it resurrects itself. Megas is 60s batman in mecha form. Constantly breaking the 4th wall, buttons appear in the device to suit the needs of the current situation. and i forgot about the getter and the precursor to spiral energy, getter rays.

To start with, it is worth pointing out that giant robots are pretty much just superheroes in giant mechanical form. To wit, look at the original piloted super robot, Mazinger Z. It's power-set includes:

-Super Strength
-Invulnerability
-Drawing energy from the Sun
-Eye-beams
-Super breath
-Flight

It is pretty much a 50ft tall, mechanical, Japanese Superman.

On the other hand, the second major super robot, Getter Robo, is pretty much what would happen if someone built a super-robot powered by those crazy cosmic rays that gave the Fantastic Four or the Hulk their super-powers, with a touch of the Green Lantern ring power. Gurren Lagann is really just a big love letter to Getter Robo, using very similar ideas and cosmology.

In short, mechs like Getter Robo and Gurren Lagann can do the crazy things they do for the same reason that the Hulk can destroy continents just by being angry enough, or a Green Lantern can stitch a planet back together just using willpower and imagination. Gurren Lagann isn't as alien to superhero comic sensibilities is you just think of the green glow that surrounds it when it does its crazier stuff as the same kind of green glow that surrounds a Green Lantern. It is a pretty accurate analogy to what Spiral Power is in Gurren Lagann. The Hulk analogy works too, since the Gurren Lagann does pretty much get stronger the angrier its pilot gets.

As for other examples of really powerful Super Robots, a contender pretty much needs to be able to destroy a planet with one of its lesser attacks. Ideon can slice a planet in half with its Ideon sword, and that is before it breaks out its Black Hole Gun or worse. Shin Getter Robo sliced Jupiter in half with an axe, and that was before it evolved into the much, much more powerful Getter Emperor. I heard that Gunbuster and Diebuster have very infamously powerful mecha. Rah-Xephon is pretty much a god who can control time and remakes reality at the end of its show. As mentioned above, Demonbane is supposed to be ridiculously powerful, but as far as I can tell it is pretty much what would happen if someone turned Cthullu into a giant robot or something like that.

The whole "super robot = god" analogy comes up a lot in the genre, so super robots tend to be fairly powerful, at least in the same sense that the "superhero = god" analogy is common in comic books. Just as Superman is commonly compared to Christ, or Thor is an actual superhero, Mazinger Z is explicitly compared to Zeus within its own mythos.

Heh, thanks. Didn't know TTGL was inspired by equally ridiculous stuff.
 
Didn't this happen in TTLG and Simon didn't give a fuck? :lol At the end of the day this discussion is kinda ridiculous. Comparing characters from different universes makes no sense since every character is created in relation to others. It's fun though :)

The dimension thing wasn't to be used as an attack, but so they could go all out.

My point was that despite the saying of gl fans saying that he is all powerful, it isn't as all powerful as they give creadit.
 
Well Goku is based on Sun Wukong the monkey king which is a God.

Uhh...and? There are tons of anime and video game characters based on Sun Wukong. Do you think that new character from Soulcalibur based on Sun Wukong is a God too?

Being called a 'God' means nothing anyway, since different fiction have Gods at different levels of power. The Gods in Dragon Ball all suck compared to the main characters.
 
I think TTGL is just so strong you aren't even allowed to include it, because it's whole purpose is to win. It's whole power is that it can draw upon infinite power, no matter what. So TTGL isn't even included on a tier list, it's flying high above it rocking out.

I think that is a significant misrepresentation of TTGL as a series. Nothing in the series indicates that the victory of the heroes was assured, nor does the Gurren Lagann have any special instant win power over and above the typical ones of the genre. Likewise, the Gurren Lagann doesn't have infinite power. Rather, it is merely a reflection of the mental strength and determination of Simone. While the Gurren Lagann has nearly infinite growth potential, that is not the same thing as flat unlimited power.

The entire series of TTGL has a very specific message and is a fairly well constructed allegory. Reducing it down to "Gurren Lagann's whole purpose is to win" is a disservice to the series and it's actual themes.

Saying that Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann is the most powerful thing ever also requires ignoring the various other series in mecha anime alone that are just as crazy powerful (such as Getter Robo stuff), let alone other things outside of anime. I am a big fan of Gurren Lagann, but insane one-up-man-ship is the bread and butter of superhero comics. Sci-Fi stories as a whole tend to have crazy powerful entities and god-like beings that have transcended their limitations.

If you think too hard about power tiers, you start to reach the insanity of arguments about whether the alien intelligence behind the monoliths from 2001: A Space Odyssey is more powerful than the Q Continuum from Star Trek.
 
And just like that TTGL ruins a thread.

Fuck TTGL. Fuck its fans and its shitty babby's first mecha (or second, because LOLEva)
 
Is there anyway to classify the two god things from Amalgam universe that represented the entire DC/ Marvel universes? Never was very clear on how those things worked. Were the entire contents of Marvel/DC just around due to their will? If thats how they worked then nothing in either Universe could really effect them which would put them on top by technicality.

ehhhh at the end it implied they were stronger than all the near omniscient characters in both universes like The Living Tribunal and the Spectre. Seems like they copy and pasted the Unicron / Cybertron story then robin gets some jubilee action.
 
And nothing of value was lost.

I'll just post the first moment he came back in comics since the 90's for your hilarity. The first time Adam X (aka X-treme!) spoke when he came back was to say this.




EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!!!

Holy Hell. There are some comedy gods writing for marvel right now. :D

Hence the issue. The only limiter that franklin has is a physical one that reed put on him to keep him from losing his shit. Take it off... and you have the kid making his own STTGL. Only with cap at the helm, and the hulk, spider man dr strange and all of the other power heroes mixed somewhere in it. And create an all powered sentry to keep on a leash while they fight in a pocket universe created just for the occasion. Doing the impossible? Breaking the unbreakable? Franklin did all that shit first.

Yup. I don't think I need to mention also that marvel's top tier is so broken that "blowing up or recreating a universe (not galaxy, universe)" is actually fairly low on the totem pole in terms of feats. You could do that (and some people have) with one cosmic cube or less. And there are tons of those- One villain had as many as thirty.

But one cosmic cube is << a Celestial <<< Galactus <<< Adult Franklin Richards << Eternity/Death/Infinity << infinity gauntlet <<< Living Tribunal. At that point "power levels" are meaningless and it just turns into philosophical arguments between abstract concepts- which I'm PRETTY SURE is how the Infinity Gauntlet issue was eventually settled (in Warlock #1).
 
Jonathan Richards a.k.a Hyperstorm is the son of Franklin Richards a.k.a Psi-Lord and Rachel Summers a.k.a Marvel Girl from the future.
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i coulda swore i have a comic where reed, doom and maybe reed's father set this guy up and galactus imprisons him because he drew his power from hyperspace and had unlimited reserves and they gave Galactus a way to use him for sustenance with his unlimited hunger. Maybe it was a different descendant. The Franklins and the Richards have some crazy kids in the future.
 
i coulda swore i have a comic where reed, doom and maybe reed's father set this guy up and galactus imprisons him because he drew his power from hyperspace and had unlimited reserves and they gave Galactus a way to use him for sustenance with his unlimited hunger. Maybe it was a different descendant. The Franklins and the Richards have some crazy kids in the future.

the summers stock is pretty damn powerful too. i fear what alex or gabriel would be capable of siring
 
the summers stock is pretty damn powerful too. i fear what alex or gabriel would be capable of siring

I'd love to see a crazy plotline where an out of control summers descendant is just wrecking shit, and it turns out to be a love child Adam-X had on a weekend bender he can't even remember
 
The creator of the series had absolutely nothing to do with GT. It is not canon. It's basically a licensed fanfic.

....Yes he did. I'm tired of this bullshit "Toriyama had nothing to do with GT it isn't canon! lalala I can't hear you!" He was the writer AND he oversaw production of the series. He designed the Logo, the characters, etc. To say it's not canon is pretty much bullshit.
 
....Yes he did. I'm tired of this bullshit "Toriyama had nothing to do with GT it isn't canon! lalala I can't hear you!" He was the writer AND he oversaw production of the series. He designed the Logo, the characters, etc. To say it's not canon is pretty much bullshit.

Bullshit. Give me proof that he was a writer. I've never seen that stated anywhere.

He did 'oversee' production, but that could mean anything. And I doubt he did anything more than check in and make sure they weren't destroying his entire franchise. He also did the initial designs for the Z cast, the logo and some early machines. Then he wiped his hands of it and never did anything else. He did not design later characters like Baby, Super 17, etc.
 
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