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Is the PS3 already the Gamecube of this generation?

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Bearillusion said:
2 years after launch the PS3 has just about hit 17 mil in sales. I think it's safe to say the PS3 will easily outsell the GC.

Okay, that 17 mil number is worldwide.

At this point in the PS2's life cycle it had already sold 17 mil in America alone. The PS3 has only on pace to sell 7 mill by 30 months.
 
Let's not forget that the Gamecube was only outsold by the Xbox by about 1-2 million units WW.

That would be a pretty rosy prediction for the PS3 at this point.

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Also, your writing style was painful and awful. Painfully awful.
 
NeoJobe said:
I'm not saying that they don't deserve success, but success of this magnitude with a holiday '09 lineup that includes Wii Music and a remake of a remake of a remake in Animal Crossing...

But their games have much longer legs, so the holiday lineup also includes Play, Fit and Kart; we know those games are going to fire up the charts.
 
NeoJobe said:
Okay, that 17 mil number is worldwide.

At this point in the PS2's life cycle it had already sold 17 mil in America alone. The PS3 has only on pace to sell 7 mill by 30 months.

So the PS3 is not the new PS2. Pretty weird way of establishing that. Why even bring up the GC if that is the conclusion you want to reach in the end?
 
NeoJobe said:
Okay, that 17 mil number is worldwide.

At this point in the PS2's life cycle it had already sold 17 mil in America alone. The PS3 has only on pace to sell 7 mill by 30 months.

Uh, in this thread you the OP compared PS3 to GC not PS2. You forgot what your own thread is about?
 
manueldelalas said:
But their games have much longer legs, so the holiday lineup also includes Play, Fit and Kart; we know those games are going to fire up the charts.

Again, that is not my point. I agree with you, they will sell, but compared to the PS3 and 360 lineups I don't know if they deserve to sell as much as they will.
 
travisbickle said:
What do you mean? A handle to carry it?
And that adorable purple exterior. If only the PS3....

Have you guessed I'm not entirely serious?


On-Topic Edit: The "Economics!" section of the OP intrigues me the most. If Pachter is correct and games gain ground as people's entertainment medium of choice during this economic crisis, it'll be interesting to observe the effect it has on the rest of the entertainment industry.
 
dai said:
re4 had awful textures and some of the shittiest iq of any game last gen.

Yea, I agree 100%, the PS2 version did have awful textures and worse lighting. GCN version had some amazing texture work, holds up fucking incredible. Played it a few months ago on a 51" HDTV, and it was great.
 
Mahadev said:
You compared PS3 to GC not PS2. You forgot what your own thread is about?

Nope, just giving some perspective, if you can't tell the difference between a favorable and unfavorable comparison that isn't my problem. And that comparison was in the original post, which you would know had you read it.
 
This thread is going places. Terrible, terrible places.

To answer the question:

No. It may end up with the smallest installed user base of the three consoles, but I think that's where most of the similarities end.
 
In terms of sales... Maybe but certainly not in terms of money. Nintendo made a huge profit on every sold gamecube.. Unlike Sony and PS3
 
GrotesqueBeauty said:
This thread is going places. Terrible, terrible places.

To answer the question:

No. It may end up with the smallest installed user base of the three consoles, but I think that's where most of the similarities end.

That was the similarity I meant. I suppose that a post title carries more weight than the post itself.
 
NeoJobe said:
Nope, just giving some perspective, if you can't tell the difference between a favorable and unfavorable comparison that isn't my problem. And that comparison was in the original post, which you would know had you read it.

The main point of the thread was the comparison between PS3 and GC. So when someone posted actual numbers to refute that specific point you reply with a PS3-PS2 comparison.

You're derailing your own thread.
 
Mahadev said:
The main point of the thread was the comparison between PS3 and GC. So when someone posted actual numbers to refute that specific point you reply with a PS3-PS2 comparison.

You're derailing your own thread.

But they were refuting my American numbers with a worldwide number, I was trying to bring it back into the correct ballpark. Again, if you can't see that, not my problem.
 
The ps3 is already the gamecube of this generation, because we're 3 years in and the ps3 fanboys are doing the same "we're still not 100% mathematically eliminated!" delusional reassurance that gamecube fanboys did last generation. Just face it, Ken K designed an albatross of a system that doesn't even live up to its technological hype, and because of the insane price barrier for entry at launch, it's been behind before it even came out. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you either realize that console wars are for retards, or you can be with your console warrior brethren and await the next generation of consoles, ignoring good games unless they're on your system of choice.
 
NeoJobe said:
Again, that is not my point. I agree with you, they will sell, but compared to the PS3 and 360 lineups I don't know if they deserve to sell as much as they will.

Well, they have games people want to buy more than the games on PS360.
You are making subjective points, because you think the lineup is better (yes you could show me Metacritic and GR scores and those are higher); but the people buying are scoring the Wii games higher, even if you don't like them.

BadlyCookedTurkey said:
But the xbox is more powerful than the wii, and the wii more powerful than the GC.

I'm so confused right now.

Yes sure.
 
NeoJobe said:
But they were refuting my American numbers with a worldwide number, I was trying to bring it back into the correct ballpark. Again, if you can't see that, not my problem.

AKA

I just realised my thread's bollocks.
 
manueldelalas said:
Well, they have games people want to buy more than the games on PS360.
You are making subjective points, because you think the lineup is better (yes you could show me Metacritic and GR scores and those are higher); but the people buying are scoring the Wii games higher, even if you don't like them.

Don't get me wrong, I totally love my Wii. Boom Blox is a great drinking game. I just think that the PS3 and 360 are doing a bit more hard work releasing new games and the Wii is resting on its laurels.

I still think that the Wii deserves to be successful simply for taking a chance on the casual.
 
NeoJobe said:
But they were refuting my American numbers with a worldwide number, I was trying to bring it back into the correct ballpark. Again, if you can't see that, not my problem.

What? Bearillusion's simple argument is that after 2 years PS3's worldwide numbers are pretty close to GC's entire lifetime worldwide numbers. How did you manage to misunderstand that?
 
I agree with the topic starter.

The Ps3 is more and more becoming this generations gamecube: There will be some amazing exclusives but third parties prefer other platforms and it will sell less that the other platforms

On a personal note I absolute love some exlusive PS3 titles like LBP, Uncharted and the Pixeljunk games. It is sad that Sony can´t catch a break not that they are really doing a lot good stuff softwarewise.
 
BadlyCookedTurkey said:
AKA

I just realised my thread's bollocks.

Yes, and it is cockney and skiving off near Big Ben...

Actually, I don't have any reliable worldwide numbers, so I figured I would work with what I had.

Besides we know the finishing order in Japan. And Europe is so fractured as to not really hold any significance. And the USA is still, by far, the biggest market for video games...

So I don't think focusing on the NPD numbers is somehow bollocks... but, whatever.
 
NeoJobe said:
Don't get me wrong, I totally love my Wii. Boom Blox is a great drinking game. I just think that the PS3 and 360 are doing a bit more hard work releasing new games and the Wii is resting on its laurels.

I still think that the Wii deserves to be successful simply for taking a chance on the casual.

I don't know about that, as for Nintendo releases, I had never seen Nintendo releasing so many games in their major franchises in such a short time span. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kart, Party, Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, Smash and I'm sure I'm forgetting some, all in the release period of what? one year? as a former GC owner, I'll tell you that is a fuck ton of games, and the Wii releases are good versions; plus they created blockbuster franchises like Sports and Fit. They even stopped making DS games on a period; there was a time when DS games were all third party .

I'm not saying their Holiday new releases are very appealing, but they have made a huge effort releasing the big franchises early; but the people buying the Wii (everyone minus GAF) really appreciate the offers in the console, which will reflect on November and December charts.
 
Bearillusion said:
2 years after launch the PS3 has just about hit 17 mil in sales. I think it's safe to say the PS3 will easily outsell the GC.

Again! Because my numbers were not based on worldwide figures, and so when he brings in a worldwide number and compares it to my NPD numbers it skews the argument.

You said that I forgot my post was about. I did not.

I was simply, and I am repeating myself for the third time, trying to get all the number to operate under the same denominator.

The PS3 will outsell the GCN worldwide, but that is not my point. I'm not going to make you go back into the original post and reread everything. Just move on.
 
NeoJobe said:
Yes, and it is cockney and skiving off near Big Ben...

Actually, I don't have any reliable worldwide numbers, so I figured I would work with what I had.

Besides we know the finishing order in Japan. And Europe is so fractured as to not really hold any significance. And the USA is still, by far, the biggest market for video games...

So I don't think focusing on the NPD numbers is somehow bollocks... but, whatever.

Still not getting it right.
 
Though tempting, comparisons with the past and the need to pigeon hole systems in the cast of previous systems is rarely a very accurate pursuit.

If you mean, will PS3 be third place, then perhaps.

But saying "it's the gamecube of its generation" carries a lot of connotations. Some of which (like placement in terms of install base) may turn out to be true, and some of which aren't at all appropriate.

PS3 is the PS3 of its generation.
 
Well, first off, by comparing it on a flat basis to another console in the title, you leave open the possibility of what aspects of the system we're supposed to compare it to. Hence the multiple people pointing out different aspects of the Cube vs the PS3 and how they weren't similar.

In reference to sales, which I'm pretty sure is what you're referring to on the basis of the original post (and by the way, going off on wild tangents all the time wasn't making me want to read the whole thing), then yes, the PS3 is like the Cube insofar that it is not selling up to the initial expectations of Sony. No, it is not like the Cube insofar that the Cube was not an overall loss. As it stands the PS3's chances of making an overall profit are rather slim. Yes, it is like the Cube insofar that it is locked in a close battle for distant second place, and stands a fair chance of coming in third overall.
 
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