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Is the PS3 already the Gamecube of this generation?

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gofreak said:
Though tempting, comparisons with the past and the need to pigeon hole systems in the cast of previous systems is rarely a very accurate pursuit.

If you mean, will PS3 be third place, then perhaps.

But saying "it's the gamecube of its generation" carries a lot of connotations. Some of which (like placement in terms of install base) may turn out to be true, and some of which aren't at all appropriate.

PS3 is the PS3 of its generation.
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Yeah, I have already admitted to everything you just said. It was stupid to compare it to the Gamecube. Because all I meant was that it would have a similar install base.
 
I don't think so, there are tons of people that want a PS3, but can't afford one at the moment.

People didn't even really want the gamecube when it was dirt cheap :(.
 
BadlyCookedTurkey said:
But this thread is about USA, and also The PS2.

Didn't you read the OP?

What?
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Honestly I don't even know what this thread is about. He tries so hard to discredit PS3 that he begins from Shane and 1up then goes to NPD, Wii and PS2 comparisons. He handpicks specific sales numbers to make a generalized thread title about PS3 being the GC of this generation. It's a fucking mess.
 
:lol @ the thread

No one wanted the Cube. 3rd parties or consumers.

With the Ps3, it's different. It has great 3rd party support. The only issue is the price.

But that will go down eventually.
 
Mahadev said:
Honestly I don't even know what this thread is about. He tries so hard to discredit PS3 that he begins from Shane and 1up then goes to NPD, Wii and PS2 comparisons. He handpicks specific sales numbers to make a generalized thread title about PS3 being the GC of this generation. It's a fucking mess.
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I'm not trying to discredit shit.

Fanboy.
 
Shadow780 said:
WAT
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With as many units it's selling, it has to have tp support coming soon, it cannot be ignored... I hope. And since it will sell equal or greater than PS2 too, most likely, it's the most like the PS2. Sure isn't the PS3 or 360.
 
I'm going to say yes it is the GC of this gen, but I'm okay with that because I rather liked the GC. Its pretty similar in a lot of ways. They both have some good 1st party games thats stand out, they'll get most of the really big 3rd party releases, and they'll get a few rare 3rd party exclusives.
 
Mahadev said:
Honestly I don't even know what this thread is about. He tries so hard to discredit PS3 that he begins from Shane and 1up then goes to NPD, Wii and PS2 comparisons. He handpicks specific sales numbers to make a generalized thread title about PS3 being the GC of this generation. It's a fucking mess.
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Yes, I handpicked sales numbers. I was upfront from the beginning that they were NPD numbers. What other numbers would you have me use?

And honestly, the thread title was just a sensationalized attempt to get people in here to read.

My hole point is that the PS3 is in a bad situation and that by the time that Sony decides to lower the price it may be too late.
 
NeoJobe said:
Yeah, I have already admitted to everything you just said. It was stupid to compare it to the Gamecube. Because all I meant was that it would have a similar install base.
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It'll probably have a larger install base in absolute terms. In relative positioning terms it may be similar (i.e. MS and Sony are playing out the 'eternal battle for second place' that MS and Nintendo did last gen).

I think the reaction to the 'Gamecube comparison' is that it carries stronger connotations than simply market position, and so people may think it's just trying to grab attention.
 
Second said:
:lol @ the thread

No one wanted the Cube. 3rd parties or consumers.

With the Ps3, it's different. It has great 3rd party support. The only issue is the price.

But that will go down eventually.
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You know what's crazy? PS3 and 360 have both amazing 3rd party support comparable to PS2's but because the support is not exclusive to some fanboy minds it doesn't "count".
 
gofreak said:
It'll probably have a larger install base in absolute terms. In relative positioning terms it may be similar (i.e. MS and Sony are playing out the 'eternal battle for second place' that MS and Nintendo did last gen).

I think the reaction to the 'Gamecube comparison' is that it carries stronger connotations than simply market position, and so people may think it's just trying to grab attention.
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I fully admit it was just trying to grab attention, and I regret that. If I could change the thread title I would.
 
Weisheit said:
Need more sleep.

The USA is the biggest market though by far...
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I thought the European market recently overtook the US market. Even if it hasn't, saying the US is the biggest market by far is just flat out wrong.

Analysing the US market seems totally redundant at this point though. PS3's real problems lie in Japan. If it was doing as well there as it is in the US and Europe we would get far less of these threads. We're all still waiting to see if FFXIII can reverse it's fortunes (I just can't see it myself). Maybe WKC will surprise us too, who knows. How did Rogue Galaxy sell in Japan?
 
NeoJobe said:
NPD numbers are American only.
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freethought said:
I thought the European market recently overtook the US market. Even if it hasn't, saying the US is the biggest market by far is just flat out wrong.

Analysing the US market seems totally redundant at this point though. PS3's real problems lie in Japan. If it was doing as well there as it is in the US and Europe we would get far less of these threads. We're all still waiting to see if FFXIII can reverse it's fortunes (I just can't see it myself). Maybe WKC will surprise us too, who knows. How did Rogue Galaxy sell in Japan?
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Are we talking market as in total economic market or just the video game market?

Because the video game market in America is much larger than in Europe... Especially if you include all of North America.
 
NeoJobe said:
I fully admit it was just trying to grab attention, and I regret that. If I could change the thread title I would.
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It's clear you tried elaborating your point on the OP but thread titles like this never really help around here. I've seen threads about the same subject go in completely opposite directions based on different titles alone.

And to anyone throwing a fit about sales comparisons, you guys would freak out by looking at some of the graphs in the sales-age threads.
 
Mahadev said:
You know what's crazy? PS3 and 360 have both amazing 3rd party support comparable to PS2's but because the support is not exclusive to some fanboy minds it doesn't "count".
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Well, if a game isn't exclusive it doesn't necessarily count in the same way- as in influencing someone on the fence towards purchasing one console over the other. Besides, I don't think either the 360 or PS3 have achieved the same breadth across genres that the PS2 had, exclusives or otherwise. Comparable my ass.
 
Mahadev said:
You know what's crazy? PS3 and 360 have both amazing 3rd party support comparable to PS2's but because the support is not exclusive to some fanboy minds it doesn't "count".
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Both Ps3 and X360 have great 3rd party support. The best games of this gen are also on Ps360 IMO

Wii is the only console that lacks good 3rd party support. Strange, considering the console sells better than Ps36 combined.

And I don't think that'll change much. The majority of quality titles are still only announced for Ps360.
 
freethought said:
I thought the European market recently overtook the US market.
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The report, which is available in summary through the Interactive Software Federation of Europe's Web site, indicates Europeans in the region's nine major markets spent €7.3 billion ($11.3 billion) on software in 2007, a 25 percent year-over-year increase. That's compared to Nielsen's estimates of €6.9 billion ($10.6 billion) in the US during the same period and €7.4 billion ($11.4 billion) in Asia in 2006, the most recent statistic available.
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http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6191774.html
 
NeoJobe said:
Are we talking market as in total economic market or just the video game market?

Because the video game market in America is much larger than in Europe... Especially if you include all of North America.
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No, I was talking about the video game market in particular. I just remember reading a story earlier this year that European sales were overtaking US sales. If I'm wrong, oh well.

edit: Yeah, that must have been the article I read Psychotext, I'm sure they talked about it on 1up yours. Of course, it's software only but it's funny to see the US being the smallest market. It seems to undercut whatever point the OP had.
 
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Both Ps3 and X360 have great 3rd party support. The best games of this gen are also on Ps360 IMO

Wii is the only console that lacks good 3rd party support. Strange, considering the console sells better than Ps36 combined.

And I don't think that'll change much. The majority of quality titles are still only announced for Ps360.
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Brace yourself, you're about to get hit by a list of titles that are painfully mediocre to everyone but wiiboyz.
 
jett said:
Brace yourself, you're about to get hit by a list of titles that are painfully mediocre to everyone but wiiboyz.
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Hey man, Castlevania Judgment is better than people thought it would be.
 
Second said:
Both Ps3 and X360 have great 3rd party support. The best games of this gen are also on Ps360 IMO

Wii is the only console that lacks good 3rd party support. Strange, considering the console sells better than Ps36 combined.

And I don't think that'll change much. The majority of quality titles are still only announced for Ps360.
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PC+XO+PS3 userbase > Wii userbase
 
jett said:
Brace yourself, you're about to get hit by a list of titles that are painfully mediocre to everyone but wiiboyz.
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WHAT?!? RE: Umbrella Chronicles is the best RE game EVAR!!!!!!
 
NeoJobe said:
Yeah, I have already admitted to everything you just said. It was stupid to compare it to the Gamecube. Because all I meant was that it would have a similar install base.
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You'll be wrong on that count too.
 
NeoJobe said:
Those numbers are way off. They are comparing the Nielsen estimate numbers of Asia and Europe to the US NPD numbers. The US NPD numbers don't even include sales made at Wal-Mart and some other major retailers... which is where most people buy their games in the states.

This post should have been about how the numbers are so incompatible that we can't even really have a discussion about this.
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You're new here aren't you. Anyway, just soo you know the NPDs estimate the sales for Wal-Mart, TRU and the other stores that do not report, and they are usually pretty much on target
 
NeoJobe said:
Those numbers are way off. They are comparing the Nielsen estimate numbers of Asia and Europe to the US NPD numbers. The US NPD numbers don't even include sales made at Wal-Mart and some other major retailers... which is where most people buy their games in the states.

This post should have been about how the numbers are so incompatible that we can't even really have a discussion about this.
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I'm pretty sure it was stated that NPD estimates Wal-mart numbers and other stores alike.

EDIT: Beaten, cry moar.
 
Minsc said:
GCN version had some amazing texture work, holds up fucking incredible. Played it a few months ago on a 51" HDTV, and it was great.
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no it wasnt

truly101 said:
WHAT?!? RE: Umbrella Chronicles is the best RE game EVAR!!!!!!
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Love those shitty canned animations and elementry AI!! Does a good job at not doing anything! BUT WAH! Look at those SALES! GOnna Do 10 Squats Wii Fit Invented to CELEBRATE!! OOOOOOO i hate Games!
 
NeoJobe said:
Those numbers are way off. They are comparing the Nielsen estimate numbers of Asia and Europe to the US NPD numbers. The US NPD numbers don't even include sales made at Wal-Mart and some other major retailers... which is where most people buy their games in the states.

This post should have been about how the numbers are so incompatible that we can't even really have a discussion about this.
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No it should have been about you claiming that the European market is just a fraction of the US market when in fact just the 9 biggest EU markets are already bigger. What happens when you add ALL the European markets to the tally?
 
jorma said:
No it should have been about you claiming that the European market is just a fraction of the US market when in fact just the 9 biggest EU markets are already bigger. What happens when you add ALL the European markets to the tally?
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but...but USA is number 1 guys!!!! They can't even afford video games in Yurap, its true!
 
dai said:
re4 had awful textures and some of the shittiest iq of any game last gen.
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This is probably one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen in GAF. I mean it was clearly pretty much the pinnacle of it's gen visually and praised in every single media-faction in existence.

You're either blind or just tag-hunting.
 
As a PS3 owner, from a quality lineup stand point, at this point, the PS3 will be lucky to be compared with the CG and it's lineup.
Hype and expectations rarely cut it.
 
I don't think I ever claimed it was a "fraction" but this is still way besides the point.

My original point still stands. The PS3 is on pace to land in a solid third place this generation in the states. Is it too late for Sony to turn that around?

That was my original thought.
 
I like this thread. No really.

Ontopic: the only similarity between the Cube and PS3 is that both consoles were/are in last place. The PS3 will sell more units then the Gamecube eventually. N64rish is my best guess.
 
NeoJobe said:
My original point still stands. The PS3 is on pace to land in a solid third place this generation in the states. Is it too late for Sony to turn that around?
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...who cares?

NeoJobe said:
That was my original thought.
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Your original thought wasn't very original.
 
BadlyCookedTurkey said:
Is this what you're renaming the thread?
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More like "Is NeoJobe the Worst poster of this generation"

Although that said, it is always fun to see the SDF come out in full force to point out irrelevent points in a sales age thread. If anything Sony fanboys are resorting to the same tactics that Nintendo ones did during the GC era.

Oh, Doubledex, nice to see you haven't changed, idiotic as always, kindly shove your head up your arse and waddle back out of the thread, thanks.
 
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