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[jellies_two]

I can't seem to find one. Does anyone have any recommendations? A thinker and political philosopher who would be welcome at the table of Steve Bannon and Miller etc?

Scott Adams appears to be one of their current active heroes however on further inspection he is either the worlds most massive cynic verging on nhilist or he is cruelly trolling everyone.

That kid with the great hair and makeup just repeats the everything sucks so much let's go crazy, idea. Unless I am missing something that's all he has.

Nassim Taleb - was quoted on zerohedge because he said somewhere in some elaboration of his black swan ideas that "the world was rioting against pseudo experts". I feel that while he understands the appeal of trump he is not a fan. But his quote was very energizing for the alt-right.

Conrad Black wrote a very stiff promotion of trump revolution in national post this week but maybe it's message was rather undermined by the obvious play to get his 30 year travel ban to USA lifted if he sucks enough admin d**k. It did come close to an optimistic if slightly insane defense though.

Lots of people from Michael Moore onward can explain the trump presidency and its electoral support but none seem to like it much.

And that's it
Is there anyone else?
Anyone? Bueller?

Not interested in guys on TV or with podcasts or youtube channels that start with "hey what's up guys it's ..." I want to see something written that defends and expounds on the goals of the administration I will even take a prolific tweeter if they are original.

It seems a bit odd that the country has voted in a group that has no written philosophy and thinkers running interference. All the GOP opinion piece writers are Noping right out of it and have been for a while.

Is the whole thing supported by a moving feast of snappy tweets and attack mobs?

 

[Robot Carnival]

It seems a bit odd that the country has voted in a group that has no written philosophy and thinkers running interference. All the GOP opinion piece writers are Noping right out of it and have been for a while.

Is the whole thing supported by a moving feast of snappy tweets and attack mobs?

his whole platform is basically bombarding social media with fake news and alt-facts, why would any self respecting decent writer back him? his supporters are pretty much all ignorant or selfish people, so this isn't really a big deal for them. as for the bolded, do you even need to ask?

 

[Stinkles]

Kanye

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Curtis Yarvin.

 

[CHC]

No. He is explicitly anti-illectual, anti-cultural, anti-education.

There is no rationale that supports him, he's a human fucking DDOS attack.

 

[Spoit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

In the United States:

Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

 

[Vector]

I can't seem to find one. Does anyone have any recommendations? A thinker and political philosopher who would be welcome at the table of Steve Bannon and Miller etc?

Scott Adams appears to be one of their current active heroes however on further inspection he is either the worlds most massive cynic verging on nhilist or he is cruelly trolling everyone.

That kid with the great hair and makeup just repeats the everything sucks so much let's go crazy, idea. Unless I am missing something that's all he has.

Nassim Taleb - was quoted on zerohedge because he said somewhere in some elaboration of his black swan ideas that "the world was rioting against pseudo experts". I feel that while he understands the appeal of trump he is not a fan. But his quote was very energizing for the alt-right.

Conrad Black wrote a very stiff promotion of trump revolution in national post this week but maybe it's message was rather undermined by the obvious play to get his 30 year travel ban to USA lifted if he sucks enough admin d**k. It did come close to an optimistic if slightly insane defense though.

Lots of people from Michael Moore onward can explain the trump presidency and its electoral support but none seem to like it much.

And that's it
Is there anyone else?
Anyone? Bueller?

Not interested in guys on TV or with podcasts or youtube channels that start with "hey what's up guys it's ..." I want to see something written that defends and expounds on the goals of the administration I will even take a prolific tweeter if they are original.

It seems a bit odd that the country has voted in a group that has no written philosophy and thinkers running interference. All the GOP opinion piece writers are Noping right out of it and have been for a while.

Is the whole thing supported by a moving feast of snappy tweets and attack mobs?

Not just "tweets and hate mobs", a major contributor was the dems outright incompetence and their candidate's gift to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Moreover the political power of the flyover states went largely unnoticed causing the democrats to neglect them while formulating their campaign and state visits.

Finally while i don't know much about Sanders to understand why everyone wanted him gone, his removal could have gone a lot smoother, the people planning to vote for an outsider were herded into the GOP's hands.

 

[jellies_two]

Curtis Yarvin.

We have an entry can you elaborate a bit, or do I have to google him.

 

[jellies_two]

his whole platform is basically bombarding social media with fake news and alt-facts, why would any self respecting decent writer back him? his supporters are pretty much all ignorant or selfish people, so this isn't really a big deal for them. as for the bolded, do you even need to ask?

Yes because I want to rub my eyes and ask do you guys see the same thing. The internet is a big place. After seeing Scott Adams tweet about being afraid for his life in Berkeley I thought there might be a think tank somewhere.

 

[Squire]

No one behind Trump is smart (or rather, not in the way you're implying). Your whole question is definitively oxymoronic.

 

[jellies_two]

No one behind Trump is smart (or rather, not in the way you're implying). Your whole question is definitively oxymoronic.

Every movement needs an intellectual defense force
Somewhere
The fact they aren't in the open yet doesn't mean they don't exist.
I bet marie lepen or Brexit has/had them

 

[turmoil]

Someone should feed a neural network with all of Trump's tweets and see what the hell comes out from that.

I'm sure it would be capable of predicting his policy.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Yes because I want to rub my eyes and ask do you guys see the same thing. The internet is a big place. After seeing Scott Adams tweet about being afraid for his life in Berkeley I thought there might be a think tank somewhere.

Trump's position is anti-think tank. Anyone who could communicate about those ideals in any sort of detailed manner is going to be misconstruing them because their appeal is in their simplicity.

Every movement needs an intellectual defense force
Somewhere
The fact they aren't in the open yet doesn't mean they don't exist.
I bet marie lepen or Brexit has/had them

what are you basing this on?

 

[jellies_two]

Someone should feed a neural network with all of Trump's tweets and see what the hell comes out from that.

I'm sure it would be capable of predicting his policy.

Visions of those two google now gadgets tweeting at each other endlessly on a live stream.

 

[jellies_two]

Trump's position is anti-think tank. Anyone who could communicate about those ideals in any sort of detailed manner is going to be misconstruing them because their appeal is in their simplicity.



what are you basing this on?

A movement of significant power. Nazis had their own political/social theory, large amounts of it. Republicans used to well still do, as do liberals and libertarians socialists and so on.
Flip it around which other movement that lasted any time was based on nothing written and available for criticism ?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Machiavelli

 

[Ishan]

This is a stupid post op . You can find many writings on how a judeochristian worldview is superior or an anti Islam viewpoint is superior or how a populist viewpoint is superior . To me this reflects the echo chamber that is gaf . Many well worded well written opinions exist . Many if not almost all refuted . Wrong in my opinion but their attitude is not a new construct or world view . It's happened before .

Edit trump acts impulsive bannon wants too see the established order burn but many smarter pl have held similar viewpoints and articulated things much better than them . While wrong IMO there are ppl who have posited populist anti a religion opinions in a cogent manner just google it .
Again I disagree with it but it's happened before .

 

[jellies_two]

This is a stupid post op . You can find many writings on how a judeochristian worldview is superior or an anti Islam viewpoint is superior or how a populist viewpoint is superior . To me this reflects the echo chamber that is gaf . Many well worded well written opinions exist . Many if not almost all refuted . Wrong in my opinion but their attitude is not a new construct or world view . It's happened before .

Really ? I am not looking for writings I am looking for human beings writing. Currently. Not hiding, or from history.
Care to share some links with the echo chamber ?

 

[Ishan]

Really ? I am not looking for writings I am looking for human beings writing. Currently. Not hiding, or from history.
Care to share some links with the echo chamber ?

To be the devils advocate , it is perfectly understandable say you're from a Christian country which was post industrial revolution to somehow think many asian countries were lesser . More savage . Same as it was perfectly understandable for asian countries at our zenith in say pre 1000 which I'm pretty sure we will achieve again given few centuries to think Europeans are uncultured idiots . It's wrong both are wrong in my opinion but the argument can be made given current circumstances one is better or the other. I'm indian when I hear some white guy say I'm better than you I don't quite take offence the way my mind works is I think you idiot our civilisation eclipsed yours in the past and will again and then you us again and so on . I'm not insecure about it . That's my worldview .

 

[Ishan]

Plus this whole religion against other has played out often . Christianity and Islam are two major religions and unlike Hinduism they promote conversion so that obviously will always lead to tensions ... Religion gets ppl riled up like nothing else apart from family .


Edit there are tho increasingly Hindu extremists also so that's going to shit too ..


Edit 2: from what I've read bannon blames the current capitalistic system of some warped world view he holds of how judeochristian capitalism was good and has been lost . I guess in his head capitalism works if every capitalist is a good judeochristian .others are greedy . This guy doesn't seem dumb but this is the world view and opinion he subscribes to seemingly . Stupid as it is in my opinion .

 

[jellies_two]

Plus this whole religion against other has played out often . Christianity and Islam are two major religions and unlike Hinduism they promote conversion so that obviously will always lead to tensions ... Religion gets ppl riled up like nothing else apart from family .


Edit there are tho increasingly Hindu extremists also so that's going to shit too ..

Ok you got nothing then.

I don't want to debate you here, I want to read something persuasive from someone with the guts to put their name under it, perhaps they may have developed their ideas over time.
It's really boring thinking wtf all the time. And reading smart people saying wtf all time time.

 

[Walshicus]

Ok you got nothing then.

I don't want to debate you here, I want to read something persuasive from someone with the guts to put their name under it, perhaps they may have developed their ideas over time.
It's really boring thinking wtf all the time. And reading smart people saying wtf all time time.

I'm not sure what you want exactly. Or why you are so insistent that Trump must be supported by an intellectual movement...

 

[cpp_is_king]

I'm not sure what you want exactly. Or why you are so insistent that Trump must be supported by an intellectual movement...

Not sure what's so hard to understand. He wants the writings of a political philosopher who would have trump like beliefs if he/she were alive today.

Incidentally, My sister has a PhD in political philosophy from Harvard, i will ask her tomorrow. She despises Trump, but she might know of something

 

[Ishan]

Ok you got nothing then.

I don't want to debate you here, I want to read something persuasive from someone with the guts to put their name under it, perhaps they may have developed their ideas over time.
It's really boring thinking wtf all the time. And reading smart people saying wtf all time time.

I'm not sure what you want exactly. Or why you are so insistent that Trump must be supported by an intellectual movement...

No I'll help out because op is being lazy

An oligarchy is better because the whole idea of democracy implies every tom dick and Harry has a vote . For no reason apart from existing . I won't let a vote for who flies my plane or a democratic vote for who does something as simple as who cuts my hair . I want the top ppl the best ppl for it . Aka trump feels the business ppl are the best .

An authoritarian govt also moves along similar lines of why intrust in the "weaker" the weaker don't win the wars which allow the freedoms to exist in the first place . (Eg no one talked shit when you slaughtered Germans because it had to be done in the name of allies vs nazis) . You just don't know it yet it's leading to a similar conflict .


Those are arguments an authoritarian oligarchy can easily make .

Btw I don't have a good counter argument versus the first . Not the trump view but the view of why uneducated ppl should count for as much as everyone else . Second I tend to argue humanity . But then the counter argument is harshness and brutality is what allows parts of the world to be peaceful . The whole you can't handle the truth argument .

So yeah op I really do feel you need to read up before making sweeping statements . I agree with your sentiments . Completely disagree with how you're going about it with this whole notion of there is no logical reason to think otherwise .

 

[cpp_is_king]

So yeah op I really do feel you need to read up before making sweeping statements . I agree with your sentiments . Completely disagree with how you're going about it with this whole notion of there is no logical reason to think otherwise .

Isn't the OP literally asking for reading material?

 

[jellies_two]

Isn't the OP literally asking for reading material?

Yeah and names
Of people
Who are still alive, and defending the ideas
And all I am getting is copy-pasta.

 

[Ishan]

Isn't the OP literally asking for reading material?

He's asking for reading material on one of the following topics
Judeochristian sense of superiority post industrial revolution
Islam vs Christian sentiment
Advantages of an oligarchical order
Advantages of an authoritarian govt

All four of which are easily googled . As are counter arguments and rebuttals etc.

 

[commedieu]

No I'll help out because op is being lazy

An oligarchy is better because the whole idea of democracy implies every tom dick and Harry has a vote . For no reason apart from existing . I won't let a vote for who flies my plane or a democratic vote for who does something as simple as who cuts my hair . I want the top ppl the best ppl for it . Aka trump feels the business ppl are the best .

An authoritarian govt also moves along similar lines of why intrust in the "weaker" the weaker don't win the wars which allow the freedoms to exist in the first place . (Eg no one talked shit when you slaughtered Germans because it had to be done in the name of allies vs nazis) . You just don't know it yet it's leading to a similar conflict .


Those are arguments an authoritarian oligarchy can easily make .

Btw I don't have a good counter argument versus the first . Not the trump view but the view of why uneducated ppl should count for as much as everyone else . Second I tend to argue humanity . But then the counter argument is harshness and brutality is what allows parts of the world to be peaceful . The whole you can't handle the truth argument .

So yeah op I really do feel you need to read up before making sweeping statements . I agree with your sentiments . Completely disagree with how you're going about it with this whole notion of there is no logical reason to think otherwise .

Op is asking for links. From intelligent trump supporters publishing material coherently from Trump supporters. Perhaps like the pastor defending creationism vs bill nye.

You're taking something weirdly and responding to it.


Edit:

I think the closest you're going to get is Robert Spencer and the likes. Follow his Twitter op. I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for, to a point. As their agenda breaks down from normal definitions of intelligence. It's a platform of hate and white supremacy. You can't really back it up with anything logical.

You're asking for the impossible.

 

[Ishan]

Isn't the OP literally asking for reading material?

And there you go he also posits he's not okay with reading material he wants someone alive with those opinions . Hence my counter arguments even tho I agree with op I disagree with his whole notion of someone alive willing to say it . To me that shows someone who just wants a fight not someone who is willing to learn argue etc .

 

[lj167]

Your best bet would probably be Pat Buchanan. I also generally find that Dan McCarthy has good pieces that largely align with Trump.

 

[GhostTrick]

Nvm.

 

[besada]

Breitbart and Daily Stormer both claim they're the platform of the alt-right, both with some legitimacy. Read Andrew Anglin, Richard Spencer, and the collective shitheads at Breitbart. Hunt down stuff Stephen Miller wrote. Read what you can of Bannon's. Those are the driving forces behind Trump's

Spoiler

white supremacist

"economic nationalism".

Most of their philosophy rejects expertise and academia, so you're not likely to find any scholar specifically writing about Trump's political philosophies, as distinct from traditional GOP philosophies.

It's youtube videos, blogs, and articles, mostly.

 

[jellies_two]

He's asking for reading material on one of the following topics
Judeochristian sense of superiority post industrial revolution
Islam vs Christian sentiment
Advantages of an oligarchical order
Advantages of an authoritarian govt

All four of which are easily googled . As are counter arguments and rebuttals etc.

No I am not, i tried to be clear you are being obtuse and naming well trodden theories.

I want one or more intellectuals who are currently writing about the wonders of the trumpian slash alt-right revolution. Where do they write, where is it published? Do they engage in debate?
Do they exist ?
How can a movement last with no thinkers in it.

 

[jellies_two]

Breitbart and Daily Stormer both claim they're the platform of the alt-right, both with some legitimacy. Read Andrew Anglin, Richard Spencer, and the collective shitheads at Breitbart. Hunt down stuff Stephen Miller wrote. Read what you can of Bannon's. Those are the driving forces behind Trump's

Spoiler

white supremacist

"economic nationalism".

Most of their philosophy rejects expertise and academia, so you're not likely to find any scholar specifically writing about Trump's political philosophies, as distinct from traditional GOP philosophies.

It's youtube videos, blogs, and articles, mostly.

Yeah I was hoping that wasn't the answer because what I have already seen is bilge especially when one eliminates the trad. neo-nazis.
Bannons stuff seems to have morphed over time and it feels like whatever he is thinking now just isn't for public consumption. Or he is full time Machiavelli. Will look at the others however one look at Andrew anglin pictures tells me he isn't producing anything.

It's as though the U.K. Woke up one day and the national front has a majority and skin heads are tromping around the Houses of Parliament experimenting to find out where the last establishment resistance is so they can liquidate them one way or another.

I might have to read books like this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0814755356/?tag=neogaf0e-20
How ironic, the French explaining the alt-right.

 

[Steel]

Bannon's probably the smartest person that has the Trump mindset. Yeah.....

 

[Future]

Anyone with real intelligence isn't about this shit. The platform is built on fear and demonizing intelligence

 

[Morat]

No I am not, i tried to be clear you are being obtuse and naming well trodden theories.

I want one or more intellectuals who are currently writing about the wonders of the trumpian slash alt-right revolution. Where do they write, where is it published? Do they engage in debate?
Do they exist ?
How can a movement last with no thinkers in it.

Apart from the obvious "intellectual" roots of the movement of which you are already aware, I suspect their strength is the lack of a Mein Kampf or similar body of theory/nonsene. Whatever they say at any one moment is the basis, and it partially springs out of the anarchy of dodgy far right internet communities.

Edit

I suspect that if the Trump revolution continues to succeed we will see a whole load of pseudo-intellectual theorists spring up to explain and defend it.

 

[jellies_two]

Apart from the obvious "intellectual" roots of the movement of which you are already aware, I suspect their strength is the lack of a Mein Kampf or similar body of theory/nonsene. Whatever they say at any one moment is the basis, and it partially springs out of the anarchy of dodgy far right internet communities.

Edit

I suspect that if the Trump revolution continues to succeed we will see a whole load of pseudo-intellectual theorists spring up to explain and defend it.

I am convinced now that the GOP are watching DT burn through all his personal capital with the people while Pence acts like a choir boy and Bannon and his thugs are kept checked. And a cleanup crew runs around soothing any diplomatic problems he causes.

Then as things get increasingly bloody obvious to the world they step in cut him off, sack his last loyal guys and we have ourselves a hard religious republican government of career swamp dwellers.

I think they figured this out before the election.

 

[Morat]

I am convinced now that the GOP are watching DT burn through all his personal capital with the people while Pence acts like a choir boy and Bannon and his thugs are kept checked. And a cleanup crew runs around soothing any diplomatic problems he causes.

Then as things get increasingly bloody obvious to the world they step in cut him off, sack his last loyal guys and we have ourselves a hard religious republican government of career swamp dwellers.

I think they figured this out before the election.

I think the GOP believe they can use him for their own purposes, yes. However, the kind of extreme far right populism they have unleashed here is extremely dangerous, and already out of control. I don't think most of the GOP realises this yet, or cares for that matter. This is after all a party that has demonstrated that it would rather break the function of government than give any concessions on their side.

 

[MilkBeard]

It's hard to find a self-respecting intellectual that would support this movement. It is the very antithesis of intellect.

However, there is one way I can see established intellectuals favoring this movement: that is, if they want to see this system of government crash and burn, and they feel Donald Trump and the alt-right movement to be the catalyst for such a disaster.

At the same time, as someone said before, if this movement succeeds, we will see all manners of questionable characters coming out of the woodwork to profess loyalty. That is, after there is some kind of major backing force already in place.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Aleksandr Dugin. Haha, I wish I was joking.

I think that Stephan Molyneux on youtube makes some claims about being a philosopher but I can't take him in anything more than really small doses. Guy has the crazed demeanour of a cult leader.

 

[jellies_two]

I think the GOP believe they can use him for their own purposes, yes. However, the kind of extreme far right populism they have unleashed here is extremely dangerous, and already out of control. I don't think most of the GOP realises this yet, or cares for that matter. This is after all a party that has demonstrated that it would rather break the function of government than give any concessions on their side.

I feel the extreme hard right ex tea party new nazis will accept that if they can't have jobs and white power then they can at least have open carry and immigraant bashing and black suppression and cops that don't look the other way. Who can they march on if trump is driven insane and made a fool of for weeks on end?

trump is physically very safe with his body guard and SS etc but he is totally out in the open. They probably even let him keep his twitter on purpose as it makes him look worse.

 

[Palculator]

Someone should feed a neural network with all of Trump's tweets and see what the hell comes out from that.

I'm sure it would be capable of predicting his policy.

That was done ages ago.

 

[LosDaddie]

I would imagine any to be found would be writing for the Wall Street Journal and AEI

 

[cpp_is_king]

OP should try a right wink think tank like Heritage Foundation

 

[Arkeband]

Scott Adams is a douchebag but I don't believe he actually supports Trump, he's just lording it over everyone that he publicly wrote about how persuasive Trump is and how that could translate to a win, and then Trump won, so now he's Nostradamus Freud, predicting the future based on personality quirks.

 

[hobozero]

I was about to suggest George Will, as he has generally been able to elucidate his support for republicans without sounding like an insane person over the years. But it turns out Trump was a loon too far for ol' George.

You can still turn to George for sane arguments in favor of some of the Republican platform (check his articles for the Washington Post), but i wouldn't go so far as to call him a Trump supporter.

 

[Dude Abides]

Politico had an article yesterday about the "intellectual" foundations for Steve Bannon's worldview.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/steve-bannon-books-reading-list-214745

 

[NHarmonic.]

Kanye

Smart though. Read the title.

 

[Pagusas]

Politico had an article yesterday about the "intellectual" foundations for Steve Bannon's worldview.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/steve-bannon-books-reading-list-214745

Thats surprisingly eye-opening. Interesting to actually try changing ones perspective to see WHY people like Bannon are doing what they are doing. He really believes he is being a hero.