The thing we learnt from the past is that new DS, Wii 3DS owners get their machines with evergreen titles. That's how Mario Kart Wii sold close to 35 millions. I'm pretty sure a year from now, new Wii U owners will buy it first and foremost for Mario Kart 8, after having spent a spectacular gaming sessions with friends on it. There's a reason why Nintendo spent a year polishing Mario Kart 8 after its E3 showcase last year. It could have helped sales much earlier, but Nintendo took the time to build a long time system seller.I don't think anyone who hasn't already bought a Wii U to play Mario/Mario Kart or the upcoming Smash Bros/already assumed Zelda would suddenly run out to get one because of Yoshi's Wooly World or Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker.
Will it save the WiiU? I dunno.
Are the positive News of the last 2 weeks (MK8 and E3) incentive enough for nonowners to buy the System or are only current Owners happy that it got such a great (in their opinion) showing?
And even on the 3DS I dont play Nintendo games, I have Harvest moon and Fire Emblem (and retrospectly, a Vita would have been a better Purchase for my gaming tastes :/ )
I'm glad with the amount of greate games that are announced and already have been released.
In the end my wallet can only take that x amount of games.
Nintendo his plan is to keep nintendo fans satisfied instead of pulling in the casual markted that have been moved to mobile games.
If fans are happy, they are willing to buy nintendo's next system.
New 2D Metroid & Metroid is already announced this E3 anyway.
I'm a happy man
With all the awesome excusives it has I think anyone who enjoys video games will buy it.
I want one but at like 150. So no.
Anyone got a source on this? Seems like that would have been major news.
There are definitely some big properties coming for the system. The problem is that the momentum propelling the system forward is coming very late, maybe too late. I also don't think that GamePad as the main controller is helping it out of nichedom. It's a great accessory, but forcing it as the main controller, I don't think sells systems.
Well since the Wii U is already profitable for Nintendo then it doesn't really need saving does it?
It may not be the super smash hit that they wanted but if it's not causing them to hemorrhage dollars then they've done their dance just right.
So as a fan, I'm better off cutting the chord on the system I already paid for, so that Nintendo's bottom line can do better on the next console they put out and charge me for?
I know you're a mod and everything, but please do explain this to me, as I cannot see how it's better 'for the fans' that Nintendo drops focus on the console they've already bought. As a fan, I'm getting more games for Wii U. Great looking ones at that. How am I worse off as a gamer because of it?
If Nintendo can keep up this momentum from E3 for the next two years and announce a new console in 2016 they could end up with a console that EASILY outperforms Wii U.
As a satisfied Wii U customer, why would I want Nintendo to start another console from scratch, with the obligatory delays associated? And this while they are getting their execution right now, producing lots of games I want to play? What's in it for me? For you?As a fan of Nintendo, you should want them to move on as soon as possible. Every bit of money they invest in the Wii U is dead money they could be spending on something else. In short, a fan shouldn't want Nintendo to blow huge amounts of cash reserves insisting they can revive the Wii U but failing.
The only reason to spend any money on the Wii U at this point (and they should) is to provide value to those who have already purchased the system. The key quality here is opportunity cost: whatever time and energy is spent on the Wii U is time and energy not spent on anything else.
As a satisfied Wii U customer, why would I want Nintendo to start another console from scratch, with the obligatory delays associated? And this while they are getting their execution right now, producing lots of games I want to play? What's in it for me?
As a fan of Nintendo, you should want them to move on as soon as possible. Every bit of money they invest in the Wii U is dead money they could be spending on something else. In short, a fan shouldn't want Nintendo to blow huge amounts of cash reserves insisting they can revive the Wii U but failing.
The only reason to spend any money on the Wii U at this point (and they should) is to provide value to those who have already purchased the system. The key quality here is opportunity cost: whatever time and energy is spent on the Wii U is time and energy not spent on anything else.
Really not comparable, though.Are you first and foremost a Nintendo fan, or are you a Wii U fan?
Let's say Corvette produces a car line you really like, personally, but which is a money sink for the company. Because you happen to like the car line, would you prefer they kept making it, even if it significantly harms the company long term? Or would you prefer they move on if that makes them a stronger company, allowing them to produce more cars you like in the future?
As a fan of Nintendo, you should want them to move on as soon as possible. Every bit of money they invest in the Wii U is dead money they could be spending on something else. In short, a fan shouldn't want Nintendo to blow huge amounts of cash reserves insisting they can revive the Wii U but failing.
The only reason to spend any money on the Wii U at this point (and they should) is to provide value to those who have already purchased the system. The key quality here is opportunity cost: whatever time and energy is spent on the Wii U is time and energy not spent on anything else.
As a fan of Nintendo, you should want them to move on as soon as possible. Every bit of money they invest in the Wii U is dead money they could be spending on something else. In short, a fan shouldn't want Nintendo to blow huge amounts of cash reserves insisting they can revive the Wii U but failing.
The only reason to spend any money on the Wii U at this point (and they should) is to provide value to those who have already purchased the system. The key quality here is opportunity cost: whatever time and energy is spent on the Wii U is time and energy not spent on anything else.
As a fan of Nintendo, you should want them to move on as soon as possible. Every bit of money they invest in the Wii U is dead money they could be spending on something else. In short, a fan shouldn't want Nintendo to blow huge amounts of cash reserves insisting they can revive the Wii U but failing.
The only reason to spend any money on the Wii U at this point (and they should) is to provide value to those who have already purchased the system. The key quality here is opportunity cost: whatever time and energy is spent on the Wii U is time and energy not spent on anything else.
I want one but at like 150. So no.
As a fan of Nintendo, you should want them to move on as soon as possible. Every bit of money they invest in the Wii U is dead money they could be spending on something else. In short, a fan shouldn't want Nintendo to blow huge amounts of cash reserves insisting they can revive the Wii U but failing.
The only reason to spend any money on the Wii U at this point (and they should) is to provide value to those who have already purchased the system. The key quality here is opportunity cost: whatever time and energy is spent on the Wii U is time and energy not spent on anything else.
Sorry but I don't see the same correlation than you there, for reasons I gave you earlier in this thread. I don't see Wii U as a lost cause, its image was HORRIBLE for a long time, but just as the Xbox One, I believe it greatly changed recently. Future sales will make or break Wii U's longevity, and I'm optimistic on that front too.Are you first and foremost a Nintendo fan, or are you a Wii U fan?
Let's say Corvette produces a car line you really like, personally, but which is a money sink for the company. Because you happen to like the car line, would you prefer they kept making it, even if it significantly harms the company long term? Or would you prefer they move on if that makes them a stronger company, allowing them to produce more cars you like in the future?
If they announce a console in 2016 it should be capable of outperforming the ps4 and xbox one, let alone the WiiU, I think a new handheld would be likely next though.
If they abandon a console after two years they will significantly reduce the chance that gamers will buy a future Nintendo console.
Right, that's why I said they shouldn't produce zero games for the system; just enough to satisfy pre-existing owners. Do not spend an ounce of money on expanding their base or turning the Wii U in to a success in any meaningful form.
Things could always improve yadayada, but it will probably ultimately end up with a tally closer to the Dreamcast than the GCN.Not sure what "save it" means. Is it enough to bring it up to PS3 numbers? No. Weekly PS4 or even XBONE sales? No. Gamecube lifetime levels? Probably not but at least we are getting closer with this one.
I don't really think building up goodwill with their existing customer base does much of anything for their future platform if they don't rectify some fundamental problems, namely substitution by other products and ecosystems for the markets they play well with and an inability to attract the markets, and software support for those audiences, that aren't their strong suit.The biggest question is... Is what Nintendo is doing enough to build up goodwill for another (probably one last) console from them? Yeah I'd say so. If Nintendo can keep up this momentum from E3 for the next two years and announce a new console in 2016 they could end up with a console that EASILY outperforms Wii U.
Right, that's why I said they shouldn't produce zero games for the system; just enough to satisfy pre-existing owners. Do not spend an ounce of money on expanding their base or turning the Wii U in to a success in any meaningful form.
It's kind of niche though, the majority would be embarrassed to even play it.
Right, that's why I said they shouldn't produce zero games for the system; just enough to satisfy pre-existing owners. Do not spend an ounce of money on expanding their base or turning the Wii U in to a success in any meaningful form.
It looks like you don't believe Mario Kart or Smash Bros are system sellers, that Nintendo should promote for years as much as they can, through Amiibo if needed. I think you're wrong but only time will tell.Right, that's why I said they shouldn't produce zero games for the system; just enough to satisfy pre-existing owners. Do not spend an ounce of money on expanding their base or turning the Wii U in to a success in any meaningful form.
It looks like you don't believe Mario Kart or Smash Bros are system sellers, that Nintendo should promote for years as much as they can, through Amiibo if needed. I think you're wrong but only time will tell.
Are you first and foremost a Nintendo fan, or are you a Wii U fan?
Let's say Corvette produces a car line you really like, personally, but which is a money sink for the company. Because you happen to like the car line, would you prefer they kept making it, even if it significantly harms the company in the long run? Or would you prefer they move on if that makes them a stronger company long term, allowing them to produce more cars you like in the future?
exactlyIf they abandon a console after two years they will significantly reduce the chance that gamers will buy a future Nintendo console.
No based on DS and still growing 3DS MK numbers, truth is in the middle, which is a huge amount of people who love Mario Kart, and are likely to love the best one in the series.Gamecube had both of those games, and they both sold well, but they didn't do much to move systems or attract and outside userbase (i.e. non-Nintendo fans). I don't know what more needs to happen to show that the Wii and games like Mario Kart Wii were complete anomalies. 30 million people didn't buy Wii's because of Mario Kart. 30 million people bought Mario Kart Wii because Wii Sports got them in the door.
It looks like you don't believe Mario Kart or Smash Bros are system sellers, that Nintendo should promote for years as much as they can, through Amiibo if needed. I think you're wrong but only time will tell.
No based on DS and still growing 3DS MK numbers, truth is in the middle, which is a huge amount of people who love Mario Kart, and are likely to love the best one in the series.
Correct. I think the system cannot be meaningfully pushed from its current trajectory of sub-GC sales.
Gamecube had both of those games, and they both sold well, but they didn't do much to move systems or attract and outside userbase (i.e. non-Nintendo fans). I don't know what more needs to happen to show that the Wii and games like Mario Kart Wii were complete anomalies. 30 million people didn't buy Wii's because of Mario Kart. 30 million people bought Mario Kart Wii because Wii Sports got them in the door.
Really not comparable, though.
You buy cars and game systems for completely different reasons.
A car company can shift to a new model and people can still use the old ones.
If a game company moves to a new console then the old one becomes useless.
Nintendo shifting to a new console right now doesn't assure any success and will only serve to alinate fans at the moment.