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[afternoon delight]

Hearing this makes me think we need a better Patriot Act and less restrictive torture laws.

 

[Roude Leiw]

One thing about the France attacks is why are they conducting all those raids now instead of a couple of weeks if not days ago? Maybe these attacks could have been prevented had they performed these raids earlier

because they declared a state of emergency now. they can raid whoever they want without a search warrant.

pretty sure they have tons of radical islamist on their surveillance list but they werent able to get a search warrant.

 

[The Lamonster]

Hearing this makes me think we need a better Patriot Act and less restrictive torture laws.

I am quite liberal but definitely moving toward the right when it comes to national security, so I hear you.

 

[bonesmccoy]

The attack that occurred in Paris was well-coordinated, it must have taken some time for planning and acquisition of materials. The United States has a much stronger domestic intelligence program that likely prevents most such plans in the planning stages. This is different from most mass shootings which are perpetrated by "lone wolf" types who don't typically communicate with anyone until just before they set their plan into motion.

I'm not sure how you'd establish which country has a stronger domestic intelligence apparatus, especially considering the security challenges Frances faces are different to the ones that face the USA.

 

[afternoon delight]

I am quite liberal but definitely moving toward the right when it comes to national security, so I hear you.

I was honey pottin' but come on, don't respond like this. Trust and use your better nature despite the fear machine working overtime.

 

[King Tubby]

Hearing this makes me think we need a better Patriot Act and less restrictive torture laws.

How strong is our nation's commitment to basic human rights when it takes a few madmen to shatter it so?

I'm not sure how you'd establish which country has a stronger domestic intelligence apparatus, especially considering the security challenges Frances faces are different to the ones that face the USA.

I don't say this to denigrate France or its capabilities, but the United States' domestic intelligence is surely one of the best if not the best in the world simply due to the resources, manpower, and technology at its disposal.

 

[Wvrs]

Just waiting for the day one of them gets ahold of an old Soviet nuke and the whole world comes crashing down...

 

[samn]

I am quite liberal but definitely moving toward the right when it comes to national security, so I hear you.

Mass surveillance and useless torture are not a 'left' or 'right' wing issue. They are an issue of liberty and the rule of the law.

Terrorists know that people are more likely to throw away their freedoms and protections from their government when they feel threatened. This is partly why they they conduct terrorist attacks.

Terrorism in the Western world is so far down the list of issues we have to be worried about that the response to it is absolutely ludicrous. Imagine if problems that actually kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people each year were met with the same rush to destroy our liberties. I imagine we'd all have cameras in our homes and cars to make sure we weren't eating our way to heart disease.

Any reasonable person should be as worried about being killed by a terrorist attack as being struck by lightning.

The best response, as those stupid posters say, is to keep calm and carry on.

 

[PopeReal]

Just waiting for the day one of them sets off a Nukecase and the whole world comes crashing down...

Keep waiting. Maybe in the next Bourne movie.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Every country in NATO should just go all out (figuratively speaking of course) against ISIS, we have to stand together and support one another, waiting for another bomb attack to intensify our efforts will just lead to more needless deaths.

It is a difficult situation. Carpet bombing everything will just make us terrorists but how can you fight an enemy that you can barely see? Best way would be to destroy them from within, deploy specialized infiltration teams, covert ops, assassinations, not armoured brigades or infantry waves. Precise surgical strikes on individuals, that is the only way we can defeat them while still retaining some level of humanity ourselves.

That's what they try since like forever, and how did that ever change anything?

I say, if they are so keen on going to war, carpet bomb the shit out of them.

 

[Malyse]

Y'all do know that there are Americans in ISIS, right?

 

[The Lamonster]

Mass surveillance and useless torture are not a 'left' or 'right' wing issue. They are an issue of liberty and the rule of the law.

Terrorists know that people are more likely to throw away their freedoms and protections from their government when they feel threatened. This is partly why they they conduct terrorist attacks.

Terrorism in the Western world is so far down the list of issues we have to be worried about that the response to it is absolutely ludicrous. Imagine if problems that actually kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people each year were met with the same rush to destroy our liberties. I imagine we'd all have cameras in our homes and cars to make sure we weren't eating our way to heart disease.

Any reasonable person should be as worried about being killed by a terrorist attack as being struck by lightning.

The best response, as those stupid posters say, is to keep calm and carry on.

eh I'm not talking about our own liberties. Why is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed allowed to still be alive? Why don't we have a 'no tolerance' approach against terrorism?

I was honey pottin' but come on, don't respond like this. Trust and use your better nature despite the fear machine working overtime.

yeah, don't look up "honey potting" on Urban Dictionary haha

 

[samn]

eh I'm not talking about our own liberties. Why is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed allowed to still be alive? Why don't we have a 'no tolerance' approach against terrorism?

He cannot be killed because the USA failed to gain evidence except by torturing a confession out of him.

There are very good and very obvious reasons for why evidence gained from torture cannot be used to order the death penalty.

He is being held at the same camp where many innocent people have been detained and tortured without even a fair trial. Surely you must recognise this is an absolute disgrace.

 

[zeemumu]

Those threats don't sound like threats made in confidence. They sound like threats made out of fear.

 

[mcz117chief]

That's what they try since like forever, and how did that ever change anything?

I say, if they are so keen on going to war, carpet bomb the shit out of them.

But what do you carpet bomb? They are mixed in with civilians (read hostages). You can't tell these people to evacuate and ISIS are actively using them as human shields. Destroying ISIS from the bottom is impossible, that is what the US tried to do in Vietnam (basically). Fighting terrorist organizations needs to be done on microscopic level, get people inside and sabotage their operations. It can be done, there just has to be the necessary drive and funding.

 

[Jag]

But what do you carpet bomb?

That's where the wonderful A-10 comes in.

U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria

According to an initial assessment, 116 trucks were destroyed in the attack, which took place near Deir al-Zour, an area in eastern Syria that is controlled by the Islamic State.

The airstrikes were carried out by four A-10 attack planes and two AC-130 gunships based in Turkey.

116 trucks by 4 planes. Not bad.

 

[velociraptor]

A vicious circle of death.

ISIS attack X country. X country attacks ISIS. ISIS attacks X country. X country attacks ISIS.

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[U2NUMB]

My facebook page is pretty crazy right now... one person telling people to take up arms.. post what weapons they have as they are ready to fight...

Not sure what they expect... that they will be able to stop an attack faster than those that are actually in the know. But just how worked up people get is pretty amazing to me...

 

[params7]

Typical bluff vid. Isis won't waste any oppurtunity to score social media points and they are actually really good. Recently released a music video too to lure for recruitment.

 

[Raistlin]

Washington's a country now?


gdi I can't keep up with this shit.

 

[mcz117chief]

That's where the wonderful A-10 comes in.

U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria



116 trucks by 4 planes. Not bad.

great score, here's hoping it has some lasting effect

I just hope they won't murder innocent civilians again to get what they need :/

 

[params7]

That's where the wonderful A-10 comes in.

U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria



116 trucks by 4 planes. Not bad.

Trump is bragging about this on twitter. "Told you we should go for the oil".

 

[avaya]

That's where the wonderful A-10 comes in.

U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria



116 trucks by 4 planes. Not bad.

Why don't they just take out the refineries, pipelines...you know the source? Pointless trying to hit the trucks if the entire infrastructure is left in place. No one is really serious about stopping this, everyone is just playing at the edges.

 

[hurricanes]

Sigh, definitely no museum visit then.

 

[mcz117chief]

Why don't they just take out the refineries, pipelines...you know the source? Pointless trying to hit the trucks if the entire infrastructure is left in place. No one is really serious about stopping this, everyone is just playing at the edges.

This is what worries me the most. I don't see any solid effort on the side of the free world in dealing with this. From where I am sitting it looks like ISIS are pretty much left alone to do whatever they want.

 

[billeh]

 

[Ovid]

I'm not sure how this threat changes anything.

We already know that they want create havoc on American soil.

Let's just hope their wish doesn't come true.

Just waiting for the day one of them gets ahold of an old Soviet nuke and the whole world comes crashing down...

That will be very difficult to do. Not impossible though.

Shit, nuns were able to sneak into Y-12. Imagine what a dedicated group of terrorists working in teams could do.

 

[avaya]

This is what worries me the most. I don't see any solid effort on the side of the free world in dealing with this. From where I am sitting it looks like ISIS are pretty much left alone to do whatever they want.

The French could today send the Rafael's to annihilate the infrastructure in a single night of bombing. But nope, they spent millions of euro's of ammunition to bomb some mud huts and tents in the fucking desert.

 

[vpance]

Why don't they just take out the refineries, pipelines...you know the source? Pointless trying to hit the trucks if the entire infrastructure is left in place. No one is really serious about stopping this, everyone is just playing at the edges.

Apparently that is Trump's plan.

 

[avaya]

Apparently that is Trump's plan.

He is a clown but I would like to know the reason why no one has done this so far. It makes no sense that it hasn't been done. There are articles in the fucking FT talking about the ISIS oil supply, via smugglers through Turkey etc.

 

[phaonaut]

I think the point of leaving the pipelines in place is the hope of a friendly force being able to take control and use them eventually.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Why don't they just take out the refineries, pipelines...you know the source? Pointless trying to hit the trucks if the entire infrastructure is left in place. No one is really serious about stopping this, everyone is just playing at the edges.

My guess is that they're trying to leave some infrastructure left so when ISIS is eventually killed/defeated/disbanded, there'll be something left for the non-violent civilians to be able to rebuild.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Why don't they just take out the refineries, pipelines...you know the source? Pointless trying to hit the trucks if the entire infrastructure is left in place. No one is really serious about stopping this, everyone is just playing at the edges.

This is what worries me the most. I don't see any solid effort on the side of the free world in dealing with this. From where I am sitting it looks like ISIS are pretty much left alone to do whatever they want.

There was a former CIA employee that is a conservative commentator on CNN that explained why this is an issue and just sounds like a good idea in theory. It's an issue because the oil infrastructure has to be rebuilt afterward or you're just creating more chaos in the region.

Basically said Trump is wrong.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I sort of already assume they're planning attacks basically everywhere but can't work out the logistics or are being thwarted preemptively. So their threats aren't really much concern to me.

 

[HK-47]

Hearing this makes me think we need a better Patriot Act and less restrictive torture laws.

You know, besides the fact that we had a huge inquiry that found that toture does fuck all for obtaining intelligence. But please, continue with your human rights sacrifice to the paranoia god.

 

[HK-47]

They arent targeting the oil because they want it and the infrastructure.

 

[avaya]

There was a former CIA employee that is a conservative commentator on CNN that explained why this is an issue and just sounds like a good idea in theory. It's an issue because the oil infrastructure has to be rebuilt afterward or you're just creating more chaos in the region.

Basically said Trump is wrong.

Plan A isn't working. I struggle to believe it's a military decision to not do this (since it is so absurd - this infrastructure can be rebuilt relatively quickly), I think it is purely political trying to placate all sides.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I'm really surprised an attack like Friday's hasn't happened in the States yet. It's my biggest fear when it comes to terrorism.

It did happen, 14 years ago. If attacks do happen, they will be by lone wolves like the Boston Marathon Bombings.

 

[vpance]

He is a clown but I would like to know the reason why no one has done this so far. It makes no sense that it hasn't been done. There are articles in the fucking FT talking about the ISIS oil supply, via smugglers through Turkey etc.

No one wants to commit to full measures yet, it seems. And that's why this shit won't end anytime soon.

 

[mcz117chief]

They arent targeting the oil because they want it and the infrastructure.

So they would rather see innocent people suffer and then fake sympathy just to line their pockets or am I reading it wrong? Because that is how it sounds, since I am not sure who you mean by "they".

 

[Dai101]

 

[ramuh]

They arent targeting the oil because they want it and the infrastructure.

Lol. I'm wondering exactly what the plan is then. They (The world) won't commit troops and will just airstrike it to death? Like that is going to force a regime change. We have to accept IS as a State and not a movement, and start strategically bombing important infrastructure. A truck here and there is not going to change anything. Were just going to be wallowing around for years. Or maybe that's the plan, who knows.

 

[WedgeX]

Hearing this makes me think we need a better Patriot Act and less restrictive torture laws.

Please be sarcastic.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Where exactly ISIS is earning there money and weapons?
They conducted terrorist attacks in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, Libya, Jordan, France,Tunisia, Yemen and now more countries?

I mean Holy Crap for a fragmented terrorist group with limited capabilities are beating the world?

 

[kvk1]

Get ready for those three hour commutes.

So, your usual WMATA length of commute.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

It did happen, 14 years ago. If attacks do happen, they will be by lone wolves like the Boston Marathon Bombings.

I meant a large-scale terrorist attack that simply uses guns rather than a monumental event like 9/11.

 

[ramuh]

I meant a large-scale terrorist attack that simply uses guns rather than a monumental event like 9/11.

Like the 2008 Mumbai Terrorist attack.

 

[Forsete]

I mean Holy Crap for a fragmented terrorist group with limited capabilities are beating the world?

The rest of the world is holding back though, because if they really wanted to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth it wouldn't take long, but it would kill many civilians as well.

 

[afternoon delight]

yeah, don't look up "honey potting" on Urban Dictionary haha

 

[RedSparc]

Lol. I'm wondering exactly what the plan is then. They (The world) won't commit troops and will just airstrike it to death? Like that is going to force a regime change. We have to accept IS as a State and not a movement, and start strategically bombing important infrastructure. A truck here and there is not going to change anything. Were just going to be wallowing around for years. Or maybe that's the plan, who knows.

You need to attack the sources of funding for these groups, mainly Saudi Arabia. They view every incident abroad as a victory against any incident occurring within their boarders.

It's akin to having kids play outside to not trash the nice things inside. Unfortunately, outside are places like Paris and Beirut, and Saudi Arabia just don't give a fuck.

Remember people, 90% of those responsible for 9/11 were Saudi nationals. It's also one reason why they have been hesitant in figthing ISIL, the noney they give them.