The Artisan
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I had the sega genesis as a handmedown. Xmen, and...that game where man turns to beast
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It's a tragedy, entire generations who've never played or owned a SEGA console.
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Glad at least someone thinks like me. When Sega got out the console business, It didnt phase me one bit. Evem tho Madden played better on Sega consoles vs Nintendo back then. They still released games after exiting the console business so its all good IMO.
You take that back...
Sumio Mondo
Member
Aside from Yakuza what else are SEGA providing though? Their output has dried up thanks to constant downsizing, no matter what you say.
nothing lasts forever.
There's a lot of unique things on Sega systems. Okay, Kenseiden or Revenge of Shinobi might not hold up to modern gaming tastes, but with the right set of eyes it can be fuck awesome. PSO had wonderful style, imagine, a game by Sonic Team that had nothing to do with Sonic.
Games like Phantasy Star II, Panzer Dragoon, and Shenmue are the paths less traveled, and I'm glad someone blazed them.
Games like Phantasy Star II, Panzer Dragoon, and Shenmue are the paths less traveled, and I'm glad someone blazed them.
poodaddy
Gold Member
What are you even accusing me of now? What frivolous claims have I made? Name one. I said that the games that I cared about on every Sega console have been ported to either PC or PS3.....That I care about. That's relative, how in the world have I made even one frivolous claim. Just point one out. One. You keep saying that people should bring facts into the equation.....this is about opinions! If we were discussing business this would be different, but you're acting like relative tastes, or lack there of in your opinion, can be proven or disproved with facts. Do you realize how ridiculous that is? No one here needs to bring up facts to support opinions. We both love Sega titles, that much is clear, but for some reason you think personal taste is up for debate, and there's where we differ. Not everything needs a defense league brethren. Go grab that beer and chill out.
poodaddy
Gold Member
Yo that Xmen was pretty rad back in the day. Playing as Magneto was a huge thing for me as a kid as I was a fairly huge fan of Eric Magnus Lensher. Speaking of which, we really need a great Magneto movie or game man. Follow that with the Venom game I've always wanted and I'm in bliss.
poodaddy
Gold Member
They release consistently great strategy games on PC; I mean it's not exactly my bag but it's an answer to your question.
HueyFreeman
Banned
I think the reasons classic Sega was so endearing are the same ones that made them non-viable in the console market. They were the masters of the arcade - short, perfect experiences on extremely high end hardware. It's the antithesis of what the console market is today.
I say this as a proud owner of a Genesis, 32X (!), Saturn, and Dreamcast (alas, I never owned a Sega CD much to my chagrin).
I say this as a proud owner of a Genesis, 32X (!), Saturn, and Dreamcast (alas, I never owned a Sega CD much to my chagrin).
FlangoNotGood
Banned
Oh yeah, what a tragedy, terrible tragedy...
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
*raises hand*
I think some friends might have had a Dreamcast that I played on once but otherwise I couldn't even tell you what a Saturn looks like.
I think some friends might have had a Dreamcast that I played on once but otherwise I couldn't even tell you what a Saturn looks like.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
They'll never know the greatness.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Revenge of Shinobi is timeless.
Sumio Mondo
Member
SEGA Japan was what I meant, really.
At the moment for console retail market seems Sega is concentrating on Sonic for worldwide, a few IPs for the japanese market (Yakuza, Miku, PSO), re-releasing of their legacy catalogue (Sega 3D Classics etc.) and then there is PC games (Football Manager and Total War).
And of course there is the games by the recently acquired Atlus.
Truth to be told the landscape changed radically from 15 years ago, budget severely increased.
Alien Isolation shipped 2.11 million units but it was seen as a disappointment due to the game being in development for more than 3 years by a big team with a costly license upon it.
Sega Arcades were all about The Experience. Of course, you can play Super Hang On at home, emulated through software, but it will never be the same as playing it on an articulated cabinet with force feedback controls.
Sumio Mondo
Member
I know all of that. My point was to that guy who said "I didn't care, it made no difference that SEGA stopped making consoles" when it's pretty evident lots changed.
I'm still just angry at how they butchered the Shining Force series/brand, Shining Soul 1 and 2 were ok. (talking about ps2 games). What they did to Phantasy Star, should've been left alone after 4, instead of trading on it's name for PSO when that game with any name + aesthetic wouldn't have changed much.
Camelot making Golden Sun was a decent thing, but I really wished they made some more RPG's for Saturn/Dreamcast.
The Dreamcast was good, but it was too little too late, the Saturn should have been something that impressive and continued the momentum on from the 16 bit era. Especially given how Playstation took over the teen market in one generation. Could have looked much different with Sony/Sega equally competing for the same market, Microsoft might not have even decided to make a console and be third party instead.
Camelot making Golden Sun was a decent thing, but I really wished they made some more RPG's for Saturn/Dreamcast.
The Dreamcast was good, but it was too little too late, the Saturn should have been something that impressive and continued the momentum on from the 16 bit era. Especially given how Playstation took over the teen market in one generation. Could have looked much different with Sony/Sega equally competing for the same market, Microsoft might not have even decided to make a console and be third party instead.
It had an effect, being a hardware maker let Sega develop "quirkier" games with lesser return in the hope to broad the console library.
On the other hand I'd say the budget spiraling upwards coupled with Sega IPs weak sales outside a few brand (Sonic) is what killed Sega diversity on console retail releases.
This is true for other japanese medium productions which don't have a strong base either in Japan or in overseas market (for example Ridge Racer).
The Artisan
Member
I was a little kid back then and I fucking sucked at it. I usually picked cyclops, wolverine m, or nightcrawler and I never made it far. Was magneto there from the start?
poodaddy
Gold Member
Na you had to beat him as a boss and then you can play as him for the rest of the game. Beast and Nightcrawler were easily the best characters but Cyclops was great for the Magneto fight if memory serves. When you get Magneto he's broken good dude. Games still crazy hard, (I never could beat it), but Magneto can fly in place for unlimited periods of time, all of his attacks are aimable projectiles, and he had a charge attack. Shit was so fun man.....goddammit I just proved my earlier statement wrong, I guess there is one Genesis game that never got ported to another platform that I really miss :/.
I know it'd be a licensing nightmare, but I really wish some of the older Marvel games would get ports to Steam, PSN, or Xbox Live; there were some real gems there back in the day man. Remember Maximum Carnage, Adamantium Rage, and Mutant Apocalypse? Fucking cool games that I'd love to see released in a pack on PSN kind of like the Star Wars classic games pack that just came out. I know it won't happen but.....eh I can dream.
Mango Positive
Member
The Sega Master System was my 3rd console after the Atari 2600 and the Nintendo Entertainment System, which died the day I got it. My first RPG was Phantasy Star. Good times. I want a new Space Harrier. The 3D was a lot of fun on that system.
User 479360
Banned
Parents know their kids.
The Artisan
Member
this post is making me want to go on youtube and watch an entire playthrough of this xmen game, lol
what was your earlier statement?
Emperor Bohe
Member
Really? Isn't early 20's old enough to remember SEGA? I'm 24 and SEGA was a huge part of my childhood gaming memories. Both their consoles and their arcade games.
poodaddy
Gold Member
I said that all the games from the Sega consoles that I care about had been ported to other platforms already; guess that's not entirely accurate :/.
The Artisan
Member
word. well, i'm sure there's a way you can get the game to work on your PC if you wanted to.
Emperor Bohe
Member
You might've been thinking of the 1st X-Men game that only had Magneto as an end boss. In X-Men 2 you unlock Magneto halfway through the game.
The Artisan
Member
the first one, the one that was named just "X Men". that's the one im thinking of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(1993_video_game)
TLZ
Banned
But i like Alex :\
CrispyBoar
Banned
Shinobi III is even better.
poodaddy
Gold Member
Oh yeah totally, I just haven't had the motivation to get an emulator in a bit, but I'm getting there. And yeah my mistake man, I was thinking of the second one. The first one you couldn't play as Magneto, my bad dude; it's been almost twenty years so the memorys a bit foggy
The Artisan
Member
ahhh fuck, it's all good. well i'm still probably gonna watch a whole playthrough of it on youtube thanks to you anywayOh yeah totally, I just haven't had the motivation to get an emulator in a bit, but I'm getting there. And yeah my mistake man, I was thinking of the second one. The first one you couldn't play as Magneto, my bad dude; it's been almost twenty years so the memorys a bit foggy
Hawk269
Member
I was always amazed on how good Sega's Hardware was, but even more the ability for them to make so many games. Sega really was great when they had their own hardware and they had so many different teams constantly pumping out great games. Once Sega exited the hardware scene, they never produced software like they had in the past. I was always of the belief that Sega thought "we make the hardware, we need to be the main providers of games for it". Even though they had 3rd party support, they were very prolific in driving quality and quantity of software.
IMHO, the Dreamcast was the system that had the biggest jump from one generation to the next. NOTHING to this day has had that much of a jump. Dreamcast, when it first launched was just mind-blowing and even though I began gaming over 43 years ago with Pong and my first gaming system was a Atari 2600, I never experienced a jump like I did when I plugged in my imported Dreamcast system. Simply an amazing system.
IMHO, the Dreamcast was the system that had the biggest jump from one generation to the next. NOTHING to this day has had that much of a jump. Dreamcast, when it first launched was just mind-blowing and even though I began gaming over 43 years ago with Pong and my first gaming system was a Atari 2600, I never experienced a jump like I did when I plugged in my imported Dreamcast system. Simply an amazing system.
poodaddy
Gold Member
ahhh fuck, it's all good. well i'm still probably gonna watch a whole playthrough of it on youtube thanks to you anyway
Haha I understand brethren, I'm downloading a Genesis emulator lol. I need it in my veins the more I think about it. Think in about buying one of those retro usb gamepads off Amazon too....haven't decided on that yet. Hmmm.
ienjoyrawfish
Member
Lmao
Huh, I've never heard of that game! Is it anything like Alex Kidd?
Petrae
Member
Holy shit. Is it April 1st already? No?
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Not a tragedy at all.
Sega's consoles were always trash compared to their direct competition.
NES > Master System
SNES > Genesis
PS1 > Saturn
I owned a Dreamcast which had nice software but between the horrendous, uncomfortable controller and VMUs (bulky memory cards with batteries) I wasn't sad at all when Sega went software only.
The only console I'd place beneath the Dreamcast is the original Xbox, what a monstrosity.
Sega's consoles were always trash compared to their direct competition.
NES > Master System
SNES > Genesis
PS1 > Saturn
I owned a Dreamcast which had nice software but between the horrendous, uncomfortable controller and VMUs (bulky memory cards with batteries) I wasn't sad at all when Sega went software only.
The only console I'd place beneath the Dreamcast is the original Xbox, what a monstrosity.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
I give up. It's like you guys have an inhibitor in your brain, that prevents you from posting with decency and common sense. That your brain thought this wording would be in good taste to form your opinion says just about everything.
Keep lying to yourselves; everybody needs a hobby or two.
I'm not saying there are right and wrong opinions; however, there is such a thing as well-informed opinions vs. misinformed ones. And if not that, there are rules of etiquette in presenting an opinion, forms I don't think some posters have bothered to remember, and it just reeks of classlessness and poor form. They wouldn't like it if people were using that tone about their preferred manufacturer or thing they actually enjoy, so why not extend that to things other people happen to like, even if it's "not your thing"?
Mutual respect. Common sense. These are not foreign concepts. Out of the big three right now I'm probably in the Sony camp, definitely, but that doesn't mean I need to go into Nintendo and Microsoft threads and shit them up by belittling every thing those guys do. In fact I tend to call out people who do that. Again, it just comes back to those two crucial things. I value the medium, like honestly value it, and I feel anyone who honestly considers gaming something worthwhile would never shit up any developer or console manufacturer's contributions to the industry. Period.
Apologies if I pegged you in the wrong. You're a Sega fan at heart, that's cool. So am I obviously. I just think you could have worded your opinion a lot better the first time around is all. It wouldn't of been that hard to do. You'd think people would be used to the internet enough by now to figure out stuff like this but yet we keep getting quality posts like enigmatic_alex44's spectacular contribution which deserves a slow handclap into the pits of insanity. Kudos there, sir.
All of this Sega talk is reminding me to get serious with Saturn collecting this year, though, so I guess some good has come out of it all.
ethomaz
Banned
Can you just accept that some gamers didn't like SEGA's consoles and they did prefer NES/SNES/PS1/PS2 because the library was better for them?
IMO SEGA's consoles lacked key games that make gamers like me buy it... it was always a secondary console.
Nobody is lying here... we are just being realistic.
The quoted posts may be stupid but don't you think
you're being a wee bit intense over mass-produced consumer electronics?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Of course I can accept that. What I can't accept is you guys then taking pot shots at Sega systems and people who like them, let alone those who prefer them over your majestic SNES/PS1/PS2 trinity, as if they're insane not to like them that way.
And I say this as someone who prefers Sony overall (in terms of consoles), mostly b/c of PS1. But that doesn't stop me from being respectful about it and being thankful for Sega's contributions, as that puts them in a very solid 2nd in my book. And I shouldn't be considered crazy for thinking that, either. I have my reasons, and they don't involve spiting or belittling Nintendo and Microsoft, who I also respect and admire very highly.
See? That isn't so hard now is it?
They aren't just stupid; they're damaging. They just feed more into a circle-jerk trend in retro and enthusiasts circles to play revisionists history with the past, for the benefit of certain things and the detriment of others.
I'm an avid fan of gaming history; it's one of my hobbies to learn about the past of the industry, and it's very important we preserve that in as unbiased and respectful a way possible. Those kind of posts work against that crucial goal, and I feel anyone who does cherish the medium would feel similar.
So pardon me if that gets me a tad worked up (trust me, my blood pressure is almost too calm), but at some point people should know better how to phrase things and how not to.
The same can be said for many SNES JRPGs, if we're being fair. And SNES games in general. Are we going to start using that against the strengths of that platform's library, b/c I can play Super Metroid on WiiWare on Wii or Wii U, or FF VI on PS1?
Don't you see how that's a silly argument and does nothing to indicate a strength or weakness in a system's library?
NinjamicWZ
Banned
"It's shit" people are a grating personality type that gets old in any capacity. I feel ya.